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Though Microsoft has repeatedly denied any plans to bring the Blu-ray format to Xbox 360, another rumor has popped up claiming that such a device is now in production.
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Source: Shacknews

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Judas

fingers crossed here ....


i would totally jump on a xbox360 Blu-ray drive in a heatbeat to get the full capabilities of my TV via HDMI..... nothing like 120hz... it just.... just...... so freaking awesome to watch a 24fps movie @ 48fps.... or better

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Veridian3

Why? Do you have bionic eyes... or just a tv that doesnt do 1080p24?

macbiter

Are you one of those guys who just likes bigger numbers? why not go for 96fps at 400hz?

What nonsense.

brutusmaximus

I wonder if you actually realise that your epenis doesnt actually grow with posts like this, it almost inverts upon itself.

Keep em coming though, certainly brightens up my day.

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BiGBrOwNPimpsta

It would just be for playback anyways, they would highly unlikely publish games on blu-ray as it leaves a lot of people out in the dark. Upgrade your console to play the latest game? Yeah right. In addition, lot of companies like bluray since games have been much more difficult to crack and pirate. 360 is doing well this gen, it should wait on its next console for bluray.

360 games win most of the time because it is friendly to program and use compared to PS3. But then when you see games like MGS4, GT5, LBP & Killzone 2 you wonder what publishers like EA are doing while creating ports for PS3. I can't wait for blu-ray prices to drop and everyone move to bluray/Full HD around the world.

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Judas

a tv that does 1080p24 but uses the 120hz feature that essentially doubles the framerate of the video.... producing what i would call an amazing difference in video quality/playback and overall realism. It's something that cannot be described at all... it has to be seen.

Essentially it's 1080p 60hz format, course the orginal video is likely 24fps (formated 30fps ntsc) correct? turn 120hz mode on and the TV automatically predicts with stunning accuracy the differences from frame 1 to frame 2 and inserts an addtional frame between, this is then done again for 2 and 3.. and sticks one in there.


I'm serprised considering samsung has had pretty big news about this since nearly a year and a half ago with thier orginal consumer launched tvs that cost imo... way to much. The newer 2nd generation of this technology improves on it.

The only downfall is that samsung doesn't make this option available via VGA input.... only hdmi/component or other tv inputs can make use of this.

So watching a Blu-Ray move via the xbox via hdmi would be superior to that of computer via vga... and i still cannot get a good picture using the supplied ATI DVI to HDMI dongle....

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Veridian3

Judas, that post displays a stunning lack of understanding... i'm not sure where to begin with it but I shall try to find some time later to explain.

The Captain

First of all, 120hz LCD panels look good with 24hz material not because of the high refresh rate, but because the frame rate of the source material divides evenly into the hardware's frame rate.

Let's take a look at a traditional 60hz LCD panel. With most sources (cable television, game consoles, etc), these panels perform well because the source material is output at 60hz. 60/60 = 1. This results in a smooth, tear-free image. However, most films (DVDs & Blu-ray) have 24hz source material. 60/24 = 2.5. This means that each frame of a film must show on 2.5 frames on the LCD panel. In order to combat this, some processing has to be done to convert the 24hz source material into 60hz so it is compatible with the LCD panel. This process usually results in less than perfect image quality, frame-tearing, etc.

Now let's look at a 120hz panel. Such a panel looks good with both 60hz and 24hz source material because the numbers divide easily. For 60hz material, each frame is shown twice (120/60 = 2). For 24hz material, each frame is shown 5 times (120/24 = 5). Because the numbers divide evenly, no extra processing is required and the result is a very smooth image.

Judas

While 24p without motion plus (120hz mode) enabled is saposed to be better........

on samsungs 120hz models, when 120hz mode is enabled, it doesn't simply just double the frames for each frame.... it litterly does processing on 2 frames, Take frame one and frame 2, checks the movements of specific objects in those 2 frames and then figures out how to "blend" the 2 to make an additional frame that produces an even smoother more accurate frame to fit in, this is progressed throughout the entire series of frames.

If for example object A is a ball and is thrown and it starts up in the left hand corner in frame 1 and in frame is down in the bottom right hand corner, the tv would compensate and stick a frame between showing the ball in the center of the screen... (in as basic explanation as possible)

If a frame is simply doubled, and outputed within the same period, there would be simply be no noticeable change, and only specific panels would notice an improvement in responce times for sudden changes, nothing more.


The only problem that comes with samsungs technology depending on how aggressive you set it personally (low/medium/high are the options) depends on how much inaccurate perdictions it can make which results in some specific edges "crawling" but this is only noticeable on high, medium is pretty much picture perfect, giving smoother movements that are SHARPER then the more jittered blurred images.

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Veridian3

You know what Judas, if your happy with what you are watching that's the main thing, even if you are not grasping some basic concepts. I don't have the time today to go through this with you.

Judas

looking through samsungs own documentation on what it's doing, the information available elsewhere on the internet of what they are processing on the tv itself... i don't see any other way they are doing it.


Considering if it were as easy as just doubling the frames rather then doing a little bit of processing on 2 frames to make an additional frame, it would be easily done on computer using any encoder. The results when doing so don't improve anything.


so unless you can take the time to explain some of the fundementals that contradict what's already been presented by samsung themselves on how it's working. A link to where they've used other tvs that have a similare feature and where samsung claims to have it's own technology in use... as it's clearly not simply a 120hz lcd, it's other factors..... i'm obviously going to stick with what has already been provided by the source as it makes sense.

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CDsDontBurn

all this sounds pretty, and i know looks much more prettier than my current 14yr. old TV that has only coax in

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Veridian3

Of course, no company would ever try to market their latest technology as the best thing ever in the hope that it would sell more products...

As I said earlier, if you believe you are seeing something noticeably better then that's fine. If you believe that applying post mastering "effects" to a source which has been released as the director intended improves things, that's fine too. And if you believe that this post processing creates an "amazing difference in video quality" over a correctly configured 1080p24 system which is showing the original image(s), that's fine too.

I just don't have the time to get into this with you now, so I'm happy that you are happy.

markvm1

when xbox 360 feel to 199.00 and the huge problem which i also had the( ring of death)
you will see a new xbox 3 around the corner,with controllers like the wii,and blue ray
with hdmi ....