comp_ali

Hello everybody:
I has been shocked by the news that Crytec® will not develop any other pc-exclusive game after Crysis Warhead
Crytek: Crysis Patches Prove Abundant Piracy, Consoles Are 'Very Good DRM Technologies' - Shacknews - PC Games, PlayStation, Xbox 360 and Wii video game news, previews and downloads


They say that is because of pirating , what makes me a little confused that buying a console like Xbox360 costs around 120 $ while buying a mid-range gaming computer costs 1000 $.


While R* delayed its PC version GTA IV which was a head-hit to every Pc gamer , Mercenaries also announced only at the time of release that the Pc version will not see the light till they make some improvement in it. (I think they made this to push forward the selling of the consoles and to evade pirating which would slash the income of the game).


Large number of good games was released as console-exclusive ones (MGS 4, Braid, Halo 3, and more ) which threaten Pc Gaming industry .
It seems that NVIDIA doesn't care too much as it has played a big role in gpu making in PS3 , So either Pc or PS3 was the game it will gain $$$.



One last thing that most (You can say all I think) of Microsoft up coming games will be released exclusively for their lovely baby (Xbox360).
Sorry about detailing too much

temeteus82

Edited the first post for better readability and moved the thread to Gaming Poll's.

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OmegaRED

Congrats comp ali, you bought Crytek's line of BS hook, line and sinker. Ignore everything that company has to say about the industry. All that comes from them is conjecture and imagination.

We know Crysis sold more than it was expected to (at least 1.5 million copies) despite being the most resource demanding PC game yet and the bane of all mid range gaming systems. Yet it was overhyped and rather than admit the game was basically a tech demo these whiners blame piracy for not reaching Sims sale levels (or whatever their ridiculous goal is).

As to the issue of less PC only titles there's quite a few causes for this (piracy among them) but the main reason is that powerful corporations like Microsoft and Sony can lobby to keep games coming on on their platforms (whether exclusively or not) whereas the PC market consists of thousands of hardware makers who only concerned about their sales, not ensuring there will be adequate software to run on them. For example, AMD and Nvidia don't give a shit about the PC gaming industry as long as there is a game that shows off their hardware capabilities they can rely on that one title to sell their hardware for years (HL2 and Doom3 alone were used to sell ATI cards long before either title was even available to play). If it isn't Crysis then it'll be some other must have PC game with all the eye candy you want that they promote to sell their next gen of video cards. With no one to speak for the PC gaming community we just have to be happy with what we get.

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Syndicate2083

I have to agree, and further I really don't see the demise of PC gaming anywhere in the future. Especially as consoles become more and more like PC's. At this point its more market maneuvering than anything else.

The big MMO companies are still pumping out games for PC's, then you have companies like Ironclad and Stardock who understand the 'priacy' enigma and persevere regardless. Companies that claim piracy is a deterrance for them to release PC games are full of it, and are just greedy corporations who really dont give a crap about us anyway.

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Mousey

Apparently a number of people equal to the population of Denmark pirated Crysis. Now this is just my opinion, but i doubt any pirate will be willing to wait however many hours for a 6.7GB file to squeeze it's way down their pipline to find out it can barely run on their system at more than a slideshow.
I agree with Omega, a lot of companies are apparently going to avoid releasing games on the PC due to piracy, this is a lie. The reason a lot of developers are straying from the PC is because they have to optimise the software to run efficiently not to mention quickly on a range of hardware.

Consoles may be a beyatch to code for at first, but at least you can count on the fact that every one is going to be identical, so if they optimise performance for 1 console, they've optimised it for every other person that's got one. Cutting a lot of time off development so they can keep the hype at a frenzy.
The only game i'm really looking forward to in the future is FarCry 2, I'm quite happy with CoD4, CS:S and TF2 Cheers.

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OmegaRED

The dirty little secret of console gaming is that piracy is also quite bad but harder to gauge. People can lend games to friends or sell them to EBGames/Ebay/etc (none of which goes to the developer). The P2P piracy of console games is also quite high and these games come out long before they hit retail which is something that PC piracy can't even match.

Do developers ever talk about console piracy? Nope. That should tell you something...

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BlueMak

Another PC/Computer gaming is going to die/is dead? It never gets old, even after 20 years and the good Nintendo and Sega consoles. Never ever ever gets old.

Crytek is pissed off that their game sucked in sales and it looks like someone is trying to save their position at the company by blaming anyone else but their/his decisions for creating this hog for Average FPS.

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Erroneus

Acutally every person in Denmark pirated it :P

While 2007 was a fantastic year for gaming, also on the PC, I believe Crysis suffered a lot from that. The amount of good titles in 2007 was crazy and a game in 2007 needed more then hype and pretty graphcs to stand out, which was all that Crysis got.

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OmegaRED

Remember, Crysis had excellent sales. According to Wikipedia it sold over 1.5 million copies as of June 2008. If anything, other games suffered because people bought Crysis.

It's just greedy number crunchers at Crytek who see all the downloads on torrent sites and see invisible dollars evaporating. I suspect some people employed there made wild predictions of 2-3 million in sales and need to propagate the myth of piracy in order to keep their jobs. I can't see why else they would cling to the idea repeatedly when it had great sales and is known to be a game which appeals only to those gamers with high end systems (a limited crowd to begin with).

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Tipstaff

What I don't understand is the logic behind companies that are leaning towards console only development, and spout piracy as the reason for going that route.

If you listen to Cliff Bleszinski about his complaints that the resale trade is hurting their business in that the developer never sees a penny of any resold/rented games, why is this a better alternative to piracy? Are these same people obliviant to the fact that every console except the PS3 (for now) also has issues with piracy too?

So, here's Crytek, moving away from a PC only environment, which they say is hurting their business due to piracy, into a market that includes high levels of resale trades, and has piracy as well on all but 1 console. Yeahh.... makes sense to me.

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comp_ali

Thanks for everybody who share his thoughts about this vital topic

I think Crysis will be like GTA as GTA 1,2 went for pc only as beta then they made the next versions for the other platforms first then when they see the sales is decreasing they relase the pc version>>>>>@#$%^%@$

BlueMak

Wait, till a couple of months ago Crysis sold about 100-150K and in the last 2-3 months it sold another 1.3 million?

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comp_ali

I think that is because it takes time to get a pc with a resonable price to play crysis in high settings.
And pirates (p2p users) usually try then buy to assure it will work on their pcs.

Knight_Breed

I did not vote on this and I feel I know the reason why. This is not about piracy or anything else that conclusion is simply a symptom of the ongoing problem.

Overpriced games on all platforms are encouraging people to obtain the software by other means such as "Warez".

On Crysis they hung themselves with high system requirements for a mediocre game

My 2 cents ...

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Zardon

I tend to agree.

shaman9876

I think if gamestop and other used game retailers gave a piece of the profit to the game designers then there would be more money for the good game developers. As much as I love that I can buy a game, beat it in a week and then turn around and sell it for almost the same amount that I bought it for. (Halo 3 I sold back for 50 USD) I think it is still lost profits for the game developer, because it is really a lost sale to the game maker. It should be illegal to resale and not give a portion of the sale back to the game designer, because it is still the same game only difference is that someone played it before the other person got it. If you think about it is the same as downloading music and paying the person who you got it from and them not giving the artist a cut of the profits.

PS.. I always buy my games new so at least the developer gets a cut of the profit.

Just my 2 cents.

Cannyone

I couldn't have said it better myself!

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Judas

why?

because they are making shitty games for the pc... and then putting those shitty games on anti pirate dvd/cds which make it more difficult and more unfriendly for the purchaser, which the pirate is able to get around anyways and remove.

In essense they are turning even the more casual pc gamer into a pirate in order to properly play the game due to these restrictions causing more grief then nessary.

worse yet, the coding is so poorly optimised that there games run like crap on even the top of the line hardware.

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dawgXdenta

interesting topic, pirating does do some considerable damage to the industry. Its tough where people are struggling to pay for the hardware itself then paying for games is even costlier. here were i live we pay about us$60 per game and given that av. earning is about us$260/month, people(youngsters) will be driven to download illegally. yeah that's not subtracting life costs. the right thing to do will be to forget about games altogether and don't even bother if u wana be righteous.

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Burdokva

Piracy is a problem for PC gaming (and as I'm living in Eastern Europe I am just pointing the obvious), but I don't think it is the main, even one of the strongest factors of the lessening volume of titles for the PC. There was pirating back in the '90s and early 2000s , too.
While the market for PC games is abysmal in regions as the Balkans (though, even smaller for consoles) I don't think that putting such awfull DRM's would help. For example, Mass Effect (a game I thoroughly enjoyed and voted for GotY) would be very hard to sell in my country because of its 3 install limit. I had to borrow it from a friend (I didn't want to insult BioWare by downloading it...) but I'm still holding back a purchase, even though the price has dropped a lot. Once I run out of the 3 install limit I have to phone to EA Support somewhere on the other side of the ocean - expensive. Not to mention that patches and support for local versions are either non-existant or awfull.
SoaSE had a better system - you want to fully enjoy the game in multiplayer - buy it!

I wouldn't buy Crysis even if it was very cheap. A game that is so demanding that my (old, I admit) PC can't run even on the lowest details just isn't worth bothering. Games should be made with a strong emphasis on good gameplay and optimisation, rather than amazing graphics, which PC's one and a half year newer than the game struggle to render. Really, I don't care, I won't buy their games if I have to buy a new PC just to play them.

Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony are putting a lot of pressure on the PC gaming market with exclusive titles, consoles are easy to support and you don't have to bother with drivers and such. On the other hand, a PC can do times more stuff that the ordinary user does, which consoles can't, and gaming on the PC is IMHO still a better experience. Halo and Gears weren't that great compared to PC shooters, every single RTS game plays better on the PC, Mass Effect, Fallout 3 and BioShock play a lot better on the PC. Not to mention simulators (Il-2 , FALCON 4.0 and such)...

comp_ali

Just to tell how the most annoying drm fails Look at that

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Lowfat

uhh, and this has something to do with DRM because? Just because a game has DRM, doesn't mean people will pirate it.

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Zebra_204

You'd be surprised since usually the pirated copy is better than the original and doesn't contain DRM. Just look at Spore, #1 most pirated game. Pirating of course was a problem before DRM, but DRM is just making it even worse. Irony at its finest.

Al_Vampyre

Ehh...can I vote for the

Lazy ass game developers don't want to have to bug test for multiple systems

option please! That's your real problem right there, so many different possible configurations of PC means a lot more time in bug testing and time=money, which means less profit for the developer...

BlueMak

DRM is an issue for increased pirating. As is releasing of incomplete games. And don't say it was always like this because it wasn't. Bad testing, bad coding, bad ports, bad game experience for customers, more pirating. You buy a game, you see the game is shit or has shitload of problems, reviews have mentioned nothing about it, you check online, many other people have similar problems, you are left with X amount of money less in your account, you feel like a sucker. Meanwhile a friend has pirated the game, tried it, problems, so what, he didn't pay the money for the privilege to find out it doesn't work or to be a beta tester for the company. Guess what the loyal customer does next time he wants a game? Hint, he is not buying it.
Then company has low sales, blame pirates, increases DRM, loses even more customers, blame pirates. They never learn, they suffer.
I say good riddance to any company that fails because of this or similar stupidity.

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tanka12345

Good games are evading PC because of Piracy. Even though games can be pirated for consoles, it is way easier to pirate a PC game. Console owners don't bother to pirate because they have money, as a console is cheap compared to a decently specced rig. For example, let's use a $1500 US PC and a $250 US console. The console owner has saved ALOT, and can still experience many games PC users have such as COD4, COD5, Crysis, Farcry 2 etc. If we can all put an end to piracy, maybe developers such as Crytek may invest in the PC users again.

BlueMak

You don't need a $1500 (at least US$) to play as good games as with a $250 console.
Half that amount, if that.

Then it is the cost of the games themselves. I don't know how prices are where you live, but at least in the UK and in Greece, new games are from 30-60% more expensive for the consoles than for PCs.

Blaming Piracy is nothing but an excuse for bad business practises and bad games IMO.

Crytek in particular are a funny bunch about this. Releasing a PC game that nothing out there on release date can even approach playing the game at full details. Everyone and their grandmother speaks on how demanding the game is, then Crytek is shocked that the game doesn't sell much. I guess the whole "buy the game for the future" isn't a big seller much. With people wanting to buy a game now to play...now, not in 2-3 years time. And since it is we "Crytek" that made the decision to have such a (poorly coded, demanding, take your pick) game, we should do the honourable thing and blame...piracy!!!

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I never liked any of Cryteks games... meh