kX=Dead? No Eugene..?

DDRRE · Jun 19, 2006, 01:25 AM

Where is he? is the project dead?

This is a great project, and it's such a shame that it isn't developed any further.

~~kx_shane~~ · Jun 20, 2006, 05:45 AM

Ya Eugene has dissapointed every1 on this forum
instead of reaching the goal he had set to complete the driver
he's now gunna basically unsupport it, just like creative did with there drivers
we got a half assed, half featured driver
funny thing is its still better then creatives but it would truly be appreciated by all if mr Eugene would change his mind and continue his efforts for EAX, improved 3D Surround and more features such as full headphone support.

He came this far with the driver, why stop, finish the damn project or atleast make a public license on the software so someone else can finish the job.

**dj_stick** · Jun 20, 2006, 03:07 PM

most of what you've said has been covered more than once
no eax until CL feels like releasing the specs
no public license as eugene has signed several NDA's in relation to CL's architecture

your attitude is simply not acceptable

Russ · Jun 20, 2006, 03:26 PM

It has only been 5 months since the latest update (3538j was release in January). Eugene can only do so much. Some bugs may be harder to resolve than others (especially bugs that only happen to some people), and Eugene never promised some of the things mentioned above (i.e. EAX). Do not pretend to represent everyone in the forum, other people can speak for themselves.

PooshhMao · Jun 22, 2006, 09:25 AM

Hi,

It's a valid point though, and a pretty frustrating situation to be in.
Eugene being busy and not interested anymore - fair enough that.

Being under NDA, that's alright too. The core driver - the part that deals with the kX architecture - is pretty much finished anyway, apart from a few bugs.

I can't see how Creative can meddle with anything other than that - they've got fuck all
to say about everything else besides the driver, have they?...

That's what Eugene should publicize - the complete package, with the secret stuff kept secret.

I'm extremely motivated to develop the project myself further, and this is a healthy discussion to keep kX alive, as long as people remain polite. Let's keep it going.

Opinions please!

Tiger M · Jun 22, 2006, 02:02 PM

There's no secret stuff, take a look at a linux driver and better yet - at mpxPlay..

I think it's normal for kX to fade with time, since most cards it supports are not produced anymore. Perhaps when there's a linux driver for X-fi it could be further developed.

PooshhMao · Jun 22, 2006, 03:28 PM

I think it's normal for kX to fade with time, since most cards it supports are not produced anymore.

There are still hundreds of thousands of supported cards in use today I'm sure.

NightBreed · Jun 22, 2006, 04:09 PM

For the most part, if people really wanted to continue or work on drivers of this type, they should look at the availible Linux code and work from there. I mean, it's not hard to get permissions and agreements from companies if you wish to extend support for various projects. Just contact Creative as Eugenehad done and attempt to contact him when you have this done. I'm sure some sort of team work can be made after that is done.
I don't know why people go and buy a card without knowing for sure if it's going to be supported or not first. I'm not even sure if it's a good idea to put X-fi code into the same driver set as kx. Keeping it separate would probably be a better idea.

DK-1 · Jun 22, 2006, 11:54 PM

Why is there even discussion about Eugene discontinuing to develop KX. Has EUGENE said he is not going to work KX? If he has so what!!! he has taken a driver that was not suitable for anything except making SOME games sound decent, and turned it into drivers that really compare to expensive professional drivers. Would we prefer to have the drivers that came with our SB cards? It is surprising that some of the same people that have benefited from Eugene's work now bash him for not completing work on KX!!! Personally if he stops right here with the current version we will all still be better off than if he never started KX. Let me see.... A 49.00 soundcard with drivers that turn the card into a 299.00 soundcard, and people are complaining. If Eugene has decided to stop working KX I say BEST OF LUCK EUGENE, AND THANK YOU FOR SOME TRULY INCREDIBLE WORK. But I will refer back to my first question... Has Eugene said he will not be working on KX, or are people simply shooting off their mouths?

DK-1

peate · Jun 23, 2006, 02:52 AM

I agree. kX makes the Soundblaster worth keeping, when I discovered I had 6 mono inputs to work with and more with spdif on a 100 dollar card, I was more than happy.

And best of all, it's Free, so wtf are you complaing about. If you want EAX, get Creative.

NightBreed · Jun 23, 2006, 03:26 AM

Besides, the project's not dead. There's still room for more plugins and addons. If people want to extend the functionality, they should atleast go in those directions.

And I mean, from the beginning of the project, it was stated these drivers are for music creation and that was it.

There's still skinning that can be done to mixer itself, which, I think I'll give it another go soon.

There is a lot of things users 'can' do to keep a project going even if they don't know too much about programming. Stuff like that keeps projects thriving.

We have a soundfont engine that could use soundfonts made with KX drivers in mind. Lex has a drum vsti that could use folks donating samples to. I'm sure people out there has drum kits they could sample.

DDRRE · Jun 28, 2006, 01:43 AM

Bump.

Russ · Jun 28, 2006, 01:52 AM

Eugene only checks into the forum once in a while, if you have a question for him, then send him an email, instead of asking kX *users* things that only he can answer. Last I heard, kX is not dead, but if you want confirmation, then ask him directly.

PooshhMao · Jun 28, 2006, 07:23 AM

I've done that, a couple of months ago I sent him a private message. I never got a reply.
I've sent an email a while after, never been replied either.

airyck · Jun 28, 2006, 01:50 PM

I'd be happy if it just made it to 24bit then it's all plugins from there

Lex Nahumury · Jun 28, 2006, 03:34 PM

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/showthre...5&page=1&pp=15

DDRRE · Jun 28, 2006, 08:56 PM

That was written in Dec 2005. :|

**Eugene Gavrilov** · Jun 28, 2006, 10:16 PM

not dead, but definitely posponed.
I will post current status
E.

Jun 19, 2006, 01:25 AM	#1
DDRRE HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 37 Rep Power: 0	kX=Dead? No Eugene..? Where is he? is the project dead? This is a great project, and it's such a shame that it isn't developed any further.

Jun 20, 2006, 05:45 AM	#2
~~kx_shane~~ Banned Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 18 Rep Power: 0	Ya Eugene has dissapointed every1 on this forum instead of reaching the goal he had set to complete the driver he's now gunna basically unsupport it, just like creative did with there drivers we got a half assed, half featured driver funny thing is its still better then creatives but it would truly be appreciated by all if mr Eugene would change his mind and continue his efforts for EAX, improved 3D Surround and more features such as full headphone support. He came this far with the driver, why stop, finish the damn project or atleast make a public license on the software so someone else can finish the job. Last edited by kx_shane; Jun 20, 2006 at 05:59 AM.

Jun 20, 2006, 03:26 PM	#4
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,563 Rep Power: 62	It has only been 5 months since the latest update (3538j was release in January). Eugene can only do so much. Some bugs may be harder to resolve than others (especially bugs that only happen to some people), and Eugene never promised some of the things mentioned above (i.e. EAX). Do not pretend to represent everyone in the forum, other people can speak for themselves.

Jun 22, 2006, 09:25 AM	#5
PooshhMao DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 48 Rep Power: 0	Hi, It's a valid point though, and a pretty frustrating situation to be in. Eugene being busy and not interested anymore - fair enough that. Being under NDA, that's alright too. The core driver - the part that deals with the kX architecture - is pretty much finished anyway, apart from a few bugs. I can't see how Creative can meddle with anything other than that - they've got fuck all to say about everything else besides the driver, have they?... That's what Eugene should publicize - the complete package, with the secret stuff kept secret. I'm extremely motivated to develop the project myself further, and this is a healthy discussion to keep kX alive, as long as people remain polite. Let's keep it going. Opinions please!

Jun 22, 2006, 02:02 PM	#6
Tiger M kX user Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 851 Rep Power: 0	There's no secret stuff, take a look at a linux driver and better yet - at mpxPlay.. I think it's normal for kX to fade with time, since most cards it supports are not produced anymore. Perhaps when there's a linux driver for X-fi it could be further developed.

Jun 22, 2006, 03:28 PM	#7
PooshhMao DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 48 Rep Power: 0	I think it's normal for kX to fade with time, since most cards it supports are not produced anymore. There are still hundreds of thousands of supported cards in use today I'm sure.

Jun 22, 2006, 04:09 PM	#8
NightBreed DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: May 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 380 Rep Power: 0	For the most part, if people really wanted to continue or work on drivers of this type, they should look at the availible Linux code and work from there. I mean, it's not hard to get permissions and agreements from companies if you wish to extend support for various projects. Just contact Creative as Eugenehad done and attempt to contact him when you have this done. I'm sure some sort of team work can be made after that is done. I don't know why people go and buy a card without knowing for sure if it's going to be supported or not first. I'm not even sure if it's a good idea to put X-fi code into the same driver set as kx. Keeping it separate would probably be a better idea.

Jun 22, 2006, 11:54 PM	#9
DK-1 DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 106 Rep Power: 0	Why is there even discussion about Eugene discontinuing to develop KX. Has EUGENE said he is not going to work KX? If he has so what!!! he has taken a driver that was not suitable for anything except making SOME games sound decent, and turned it into drivers that really compare to expensive professional drivers. Would we prefer to have the drivers that came with our SB cards? It is surprising that some of the same people that have benefited from Eugene's work now bash him for not completing work on KX!!! Personally if he stops right here with the current version we will all still be better off than if he never started KX. Let me see.... A 49.00 soundcard with drivers that turn the card into a 299.00 soundcard, and people are complaining. If Eugene has decided to stop working KX I say BEST OF LUCK EUGENE, AND THANK YOU FOR SOME TRULY INCREDIBLE WORK. But I will refer back to my first question... Has Eugene said he will not be working on KX, or are people simply shooting off their mouths? DK-1

Jun 23, 2006, 02:52 AM	#10
peate HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 409 Rep Power: 57	I agree. kX makes the Soundblaster worth keeping, when I discovered I had 6 mono inputs to work with and more with spdif on a 100 dollar card, I was more than happy. And best of all, it's Free, so wtf are you complaing about. If you want EAX, get Creative.

Jun 23, 2006, 03:26 AM	#11
NightBreed DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: May 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 380 Rep Power: 0	Besides, the project's not dead. There's still room for more plugins and addons. If people want to extend the functionality, they should atleast go in those directions. And I mean, from the beginning of the project, it was stated these drivers are for music creation and that was it. There's still skinning that can be done to mixer itself, which, I think I'll give it another go soon. There is a lot of things users 'can' do to keep a project going even if they don't know too much about programming. Stuff like that keeps projects thriving. We have a soundfont engine that could use soundfonts made with KX drivers in mind. Lex has a drum vsti that could use folks donating samples to. I'm sure people out there has drum kits they could sample.

Jun 28, 2006, 01:43 AM	Thread Starter #12
DDRRE HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 37 Rep Power: 0	Bump.

Jun 28, 2006, 01:52 AM	#13
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,563 Rep Power: 62	Eugene only checks into the forum once in a while, if you have a question for him, then send him an email, instead of asking kX users things that only he can answer. Last I heard, kX is not dead, but if you want confirmation, then ask him directly.

Jun 28, 2006, 07:23 AM	#14
PooshhMao DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 48 Rep Power: 0	I've done that, a couple of months ago I sent him a private message. I never got a reply. I've sent an email a while after, never been replied either.

Jun 28, 2006, 01:50 PM	#15
airyck DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	I'd be happy if it just made it to 24bit then it's all plugins from there

Jun 28, 2006, 03:34 PM	#16
Lex Nahumury DH Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,932 Rep Power: 64	http://www.hardwareheaven.com/showthre...5&page=1&pp=15

Jun 28, 2006, 08:56 PM	Thread Starter #17
DDRRE HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 37 Rep Power: 0	That was written in Dec 2005. :\|

Jun 28, 2006, 10:16 PM	#18
Eugene Gavrilov kX Project Lead Programmer and Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,119 Rep Power: 75	not dead, but definitely posponed. I will post current status E.