Cubase VST 32 hard midi timing problems

TranceFreak · Feb 11, 2003, 07:12 PM

Hi all,

I know, my problem is not kx project related, but maybe
someone of you could help me out of this strange cubase behaviour.

Problem: If I record midi data from a simple midi keyboard in cubase,
the recorded notes appear before I played them. Strange TimeMachine ;o)

Better explanation: I played the notes synchron to the metronom, but they
appear earlier than they should in the measure view.

At the beginning of a Cubase session, the notes are about 1/32 length ahead
of the beat but when the session stay longer the notes get much more ahead.

example:
1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4
x x x x x x x x x x x x (notes are played)
x x x x x x x x x x x x (notes are recorded)

I´ve read many, many posts mostly regarding Cubase SX but I have the same
problem with Cubase VST/32 5.1r1 and didn´t find any solution.

Please, does anyone has a solution to fix this problem?
Thanks very much!

Trance

P.S.: I have a Pentium 4 with MSI motherboard and creative sb live platinum card
with live drive

fractrix · Mar 26, 2003, 03:11 PM

Yes, I have got exactly the same problem and have read many posts, too. I even did the acpi stuff and the midiportfilter stuff and NOTHING happened ...
My problem is in Cubase 5.1 and SX, too, so I think it is a Windows XP problem ...

Has anybody here any idea about it ?

Thanx a lot

EtosTone · Mar 26, 2003, 09:22 PM

hi guys ,

I might got the answer .
The timing is very delicated on cubase sx or vst .
if you want perfect timing , choose the Asio Multimedia driver for audio (Device setup).
I dont trust the other settings ( Asio directsound or etc) . I know you dont have low latency but its very good for timing ,specially when using audio and midi together.
This is something to try , I dont promise that you will have a solution.

Take care.

fractrix · Mar 27, 2003, 09:07 AM

Ok freaks ... here is what I found out after hours:

The latency you choose by adjusting the buffer size of the asio driver you use, directly affects the midi pre-delay cubase records!

So if you choose a hi latency for recording , say 40 ms, and you record midi events to a midi/audio click, then the events will be recorded aproximately 40 ms too early by cubase because of this latency. You in fact hear the audio played back 40 ms too early and you will play your midi track more or less in time with this too early audio you listen to, so your recorded midi will be too early ! What is strange here is, that cubase seem to compensate for the latency on the playback side but doesn't compensate for that latency during midi recording. In fact cubase should compensate for the 40 ms, so that every midi track you record should be delayed after recording, so everything is fine again !

fvi · Mar 28, 2003, 08:28 PM

hi all,

Midi timing is known issue for VST and SX running on XP/2000 (see tons of threads in Cubase forum).

I had this problem when running XP/Directx8.1, it vanishes the day I install Directx9. No Cubase tweaks are required. (note : cubase works fine on 98SE with any version of directx).

hope it helps

Gonzo · Mar 29, 2003, 01:59 PM

I had to find a workaround for this bug...
I created a preset in the Logical Editor that simply moves all the selected events ahead in time for the needed amount.
After this you can create a macro that automatically selects everything in the track and calls the logical editor.
What upsets me is that you can't automatically call a logical editor preset from a macro, you have to chose it manually.

Gonzo

Feb 11, 2003, 07:12 PM	#1
TranceFreak DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	Cubase VST 32 hard midi timing problems Hi all, I know, my problem is not kx project related, but maybe someone of you could help me out of this strange cubase behaviour. Problem: If I record midi data from a simple midi keyboard in cubase, the recorded notes appear before I played them. Strange TimeMachine ;o) Better explanation: I played the notes synchron to the metronom, but they appear earlier than they should in the measure view. At the beginning of a Cubase session, the notes are about 1/32 length ahead of the beat but when the session stay longer the notes get much more ahead. example: 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 x x x x x x x x x x x x (notes are played) x x x x x x x x x x x x (notes are recorded) I´ve read many, many posts mostly regarding Cubase SX but I have the same problem with Cubase VST/32 5.1r1 and didn´t find any solution. Please, does anyone has a solution to fix this problem? Thanks very much! Trance P.S.: I have a Pentium 4 with MSI motherboard and creative sb live platinum card with live drive

Mar 26, 2003, 03:11 PM	#2
fractrix DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: berlin, germany Posts: 4 Rep Power: 0 $fractrix is on a distinguished road$	Yes, I have got exactly the same problem and have read many posts, too. I even did the acpi stuff and the midiportfilter stuff and NOTHING happened ... My problem is in Cubase 5.1 and SX, too, so I think it is a Windows XP problem ... Has anybody here any idea about it ? Thanx a lot
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Mar 27, 2003, 09:07 AM	#4
fractrix DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: berlin, germany Posts: 4 Rep Power: 0 $fractrix is on a distinguished road$	Ok freaks ... here is what I found out after hours: The latency you choose by adjusting the buffer size of the asio driver you use, directly affects the midi pre-delay cubase records! So if you choose a hi latency for recording , say 40 ms, and you record midi events to a midi/audio click, then the events will be recorded aproximately 40 ms too early by cubase because of this latency. You in fact hear the audio played back 40 ms too early and you will play your midi track more or less in time with this too early audio you listen to, so your recorded midi will be too early ! What is strange here is, that cubase seem to compensate for the latency on the playback side but doesn't compensate for that latency during midi recording. In fact cubase should compensate for the 40 ms, so that every midi track you record should be delayed after recording, so everything is fine again !
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Mar 26, 2003, 09:22 PM	#3
EtosTone DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Greece Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	hi guys , I might got the answer . The timing is very delicated on cubase sx or vst . if you want perfect timing , choose the Asio Multimedia driver for audio (Device setup). I dont trust the other settings ( Asio directsound or etc) . I know you dont have low latency but its very good for timing ,specially when using audio and midi together. This is something to try , I dont promise that you will have a solution. Take care.

Mar 28, 2003, 08:28 PM	#5
fvi DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Paris, France Posts: 48 Rep Power: 0	hi all, Midi timing is known issue for VST and SX running on XP/2000 (see tons of threads in Cubase forum). I had this problem when running XP/Directx8.1, it vanishes the day I install Directx9. No Cubase tweaks are required. (note : cubase works fine on 98SE with any version of directx). hope it helps

Mar 29, 2003, 01:59 PM	#6
Gonzo DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Uruguay Posts: 57 Rep Power: 0	I had to find a workaround for this bug... I created a preset in the Logical Editor that simply moves all the selected events ahead in time for the needed amount. After this you can create a macro that automatically selects everything in the track and calls the logical editor. What upsets me is that you can't automatically call a logical editor preset from a macro, you have to chose it manually. Gonzo