SBLive 5.1 rear out puts

silvertones · Jul 27, 2006, 01:08 PM

I am new to the forum but have used KX for some time.This is not a new problem per say but just something I realised. There is no sound coming from the actual physical rear output on my card. If I route, in DSP, the synth to front out I get sound from the physical front. If I route, in DSP, to the rear and check swap front and rear againe the sound comes out of the front physical outputs. Is this what's supposed to happen? I can never set the config. to output to the rear. The rear outputs are supposed to have better sound.
PS I just use KLT1,FXMIX2,SRC. It might have something to due with being setup for 2 speakers not 5.1

Doug W · Jul 27, 2006, 02:56 PM

With the DSP you have set up, just double click the K1LT (or right click it and choose TWEAK). Then change the output you are using from FXMIX2 to K1LT from ANALOG FRONT OUT to REAR OUT. Then move your speaker to the REAR Output.

silvertones · Jul 27, 2006, 03:46 PM

It should but it doesn't.

Doug W · Jul 27, 2006, 04:07 PM

Does your DSP look roughly like this?

http://www.maxminn.net/emily40/images/skype03.jpg

silvertones · Jul 27, 2006, 04:33 PM

yes, however I see that you have front analog selected. Do you get sound out of the rear jack on the card?

Russ · Jul 27, 2006, 06:50 PM

What specific (SB0xxx) model card do you have, and what version of kX are you using?

From the kX context menu, choose 'About...', click on the 'Copy to clipboard' button, and paste that info here.

There is a known issue with the analog rear out on some 5.1 models (SB022x), that is fixed in newer kx versions (3538j or higher). If you have one of these models, and you want to use ProFX, then you should be using kX version 3538j, and the latest ProFx (v3.05)).

silvertones · Jul 27, 2006, 10:49 PM

----Hardware / Software configuration---------------
Driver Name:kX Audio Driver (Debug)
Driver Date: Feb 17 2004 00:43:22
Driver Version: 5.10.00.3537 - debug
DB Name:none
SB022x 10k1 [eec0]
PCI Information:
Device: 21102 Subsys: 80661102 ChipRev: a
Card has MPU device
Card model is '5.1'
Card HAS AC97 codec
Codec name: Unknown AC97 codec [83847658
3D Extension: SigmaTel 3D Enhancement
Codec is 2.0 compliant
Capabilities[6a90] : -headphone out-
DAC resolutions : -16-bit- -20-bit-
ADC resolutions : -16-bit- -20-bit-
Ext Capabilities [bc7]: -var rate PCM audio- -2x PCM audio out- -PCM center DAC- -PCM surround DAC- -PCM LFE DAC- -slot/DAC mappings-
Port: eec0 Irq: 0x12(18)
Playback buffer: 20a0
Record buffer: 4000
Number of AC3 buffers: 4
Tank memory: 256 kb
GSIF buffer: 256 samples
OS version: [2 5 0 Service Pack 4; 2 5 0 Service Pack 4; 156 148]
----------------------------------------------------
Looks like that may be the issue?

Russ · Jul 27, 2006, 10:53 PM

Yup, that would be it. You should use kX version 3538j or higher (as I said above, you probably want 3538j since ProFX is not available for 3538k as of yet).

silvertones · Jul 28, 2006, 04:29 PM

That did the trick however I did not catch the reccomendation of using "j" as opposed to "k". I installed "k". Profex is available in "k". Does it have some sort of issues. Should I revert to "j"? Do I need to uninstall "k" to install "j". I had to uninstall 3537 to get 3538 in.

Thanks
John

Russ · Jul 28, 2006, 08:23 PM

The bundled version of ProFX in 3538k, is an older buggy version. It is actually the same version that is included with 3538i/j, but there is a newer version (v3.05) of ProFx avaialble from the authors website (see the ProFX thread in the Effects and DSP forum), that is compatible with 3538j (but not k, as of yet). It is really up to you, if the bundled version works ok for you (or you can go without ProFX for now), than stick with 3538k, otherwise use 3538j (and yes, you should do the uninstall first when downgrading).

Maddogg6 · Jul 28, 2006, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ

...(and yes, you should do the uninstall first when downgrading).

I'll add - that running Drivercleaner would not be a bad idea either.

silvertones · Jul 29, 2006, 10:01 PM

I installed "j" with the new ProFx v.3.05.I'm thrilled!! All is well and real nice job on the ProFx.
Thanks to everyone for the help!

Jul 27, 2006, 01:08 PM	#1
silvertones HardwareHeaven Addict Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 283 Rep Power: 37	SBLive 5.1 rear out puts I am new to the forum but have used KX for some time.This is not a new problem per say but just something I realised. There is no sound coming from the actual physical rear output on my card. If I route, in DSP, the synth to front out I get sound from the physical front. If I route, in DSP, to the rear and check swap front and rear againe the sound comes out of the front physical outputs. Is this what's supposed to happen? I can never set the config. to output to the rear. The rear outputs are supposed to have better sound. PS I just use KLT1,FXMIX2,SRC. It might have something to due with being setup for 2 speakers not 5.1

Jul 27, 2006, 04:33 PM	Thread Starter #5
silvertones HardwareHeaven Addict Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 283 Rep Power: 37	yes, however I see that you have front analog selected. Do you get sound out of the rear jack on the card? Last edited by silvertones; Jul 27, 2006 at 04:46 PM.

Jul 27, 2006, 06:50 PM	#6
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,507 Rep Power: 61	What specific (SB0xxx) model card do you have, and what version of kX are you using? From the kX context menu, choose 'About...', click on the 'Copy to clipboard' button, and paste that info here. There is a known issue with the analog rear out on some 5.1 models (SB022x), that is fixed in newer kx versions (3538j or higher). If you have one of these models, and you want to use ProFX, then you should be using kX version 3538j, and the latest ProFx (v3.05)). Last edited by Russ; Jul 27, 2006 at 07:03 PM.

Jul 27, 2006, 02:56 PM	#2
Doug W HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Montevideo, MN USA Posts: 973 Rep Power: 0	With the DSP you have set up, just double click the K1LT (or right click it and choose TWEAK). Then change the output you are using from FXMIX2 to K1LT from ANALOG FRONT OUT to REAR OUT. Then move your speaker to the REAR Output.

Jul 27, 2006, 03:46 PM	Thread Starter #3
silvertones HardwareHeaven Addict Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 283 Rep Power: 37	It should but it doesn't.

Jul 27, 2006, 04:07 PM	#4
Doug W HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Montevideo, MN USA Posts: 973 Rep Power: 0	Does your DSP look roughly like this? http://www.maxminn.net/emily40/images/skype03.jpg

Jul 27, 2006, 10:49 PM	Thread Starter #7
silvertones HardwareHeaven Addict Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 283 Rep Power: 37	----Hardware / Software configuration--------------- Driver Name:kX Audio Driver (Debug) Driver Date: Feb 17 2004 00:43:22 Driver Version: 5.10.00.3537 - debug DB Name:none SB022x 10k1 [eec0] PCI Information: Device: 21102 Subsys: 80661102 ChipRev: a Card has MPU device Card model is '5.1' Card HAS AC97 codec Codec name: Unknown AC97 codec [83847658 3D Extension: SigmaTel 3D Enhancement Codec is 2.0 compliant Capabilities[6a90] : -headphone out- DAC resolutions : -16-bit- -20-bit- ADC resolutions : -16-bit- -20-bit- Ext Capabilities [bc7]: -var rate PCM audio- -2x PCM audio out- -PCM center DAC- -PCM surround DAC- -PCM LFE DAC- -slot/DAC mappings- Port: eec0 Irq: 0x12(18) Playback buffer: 20a0 Record buffer: 4000 Number of AC3 buffers: 4 Tank memory: 256 kb GSIF buffer: 256 samples OS version: [2 5 0 Service Pack 4; 2 5 0 Service Pack 4; 156 148] ---------------------------------------------------- Looks like that may be the issue?

Jul 27, 2006, 10:53 PM	#8
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,507 Rep Power: 61	Yup, that would be it. You should use kX version 3538j or higher (as I said above, you probably want 3538j since ProFX is not available for 3538k as of yet).

Jul 28, 2006, 04:29 PM	Thread Starter #9
silvertones HardwareHeaven Addict Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 283 Rep Power: 37	That did the trick however I did not catch the reccomendation of using "j" as opposed to "k". I installed "k". Profex is available in "k". Does it have some sort of issues. Should I revert to "j"? Do I need to uninstall "k" to install "j". I had to uninstall 3537 to get 3538 in. Thanks John

Jul 28, 2006, 08:23 PM	#10
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,507 Rep Power: 61	The bundled version of ProFX in 3538k, is an older buggy version. It is actually the same version that is included with 3538i/j, but there is a newer version (v3.05) of ProFx avaialble from the authors website (see the ProFX thread in the Effects and DSP forum), that is compatible with 3538j (but not k, as of yet). It is really up to you, if the bundled version works ok for you (or you can go without ProFX for now), than stick with 3538k, otherwise use 3538j (and yes, you should do the uninstall first when downgrading).

Jul 29, 2006, 10:01 PM	Thread Starter #12
silvertones HardwareHeaven Addict Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 283 Rep Power: 37	I installed "j" with the new ProFx v.3.05.I'm thrilled!! All is well and real nice job on the ProFx. Thanks to everyone for the help!