silvertones

I have Cakewalk Pro Audio 8, Cool Edit 2000, Adobe Audition 1.5, Sonar 2.0, Sonar 4.0.
Cakewalk,Cool and Audition all work fine with New KX 3538j but Sonar has issues. Available output drivers look weird. If I choose one that seems ok like 8/9 I get audio but it's distorted and crackels.I haven't tried reinstalling Sonar.
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Maddogg6

1) What card model (SB0XXX) - Some have an ASIO channel mapping bug

2) default DSP config? (asio routing??)

3) Did you play with ASIO latency settings? (too low and crackles will happen)

4) You did setup for KX ASIO - correct? (Audition Installes a generic ASIO Driver, which is usually at the top of the list of ASIO drivers available)

silvertones

I'm not trying to record.If I load wav file into Sonar It's a matter of available output drivers. If you don't have Sonar you won't know what I'm talking about. If I Knew how to post a .jpeg to the forum I'd do a screen capture. It's some kind of reaction that Sonar 2.0 & 4.0 have to KX that doesn't happen with other programs.

KX WAVE sbo22xa 10k1 [eec0] 0/1 1/2
KX WAVE sbo22xa 10k1 [eec0] 0/1 3/4
KX WAVE sbo22xa 10k1 [eec0] 0/1 5/6
KX WAVE sbo22xa 10k1 [eec0] 0/1 7/8
KX WAVE sbo22xa 10k1 [eec0] 4/5
KX WAVE sbo22xa 10k1 [eec0] 6/7
KX WAVE sbo22xa 10k1 [eec0] 8/9

This is the list of available output drivers in the Sonar drop down

silvertones

Kind of figuired something out. Can't use FX0/1 for wave playback. I THINK it has smethig to do with MIDI YOKE. Can't use FX 2/3 obviously because of the on board synth. Which leaves the rest. They work fine but I have to manually set the timing driver for playback in Sonar to the output driver being used

jiiteepee

AFAIK, Sonar did not support ASIO until from v. 2.2 -> .

FX n/n output channels w/ original drivers:

• ASIO outputs 11 and 12 (FX Slot 1/2) allow you to send a specific channel from your VST mixer directly to one of the Audigy 2’s EAX hardware effects. 4 effects can be added to the EAX Control panel, and this buss accesses the first two as mono sends. Use your track’s Effects Send Destinations to select “FX Slot 1/2 Left” for Effect 1 (Reverb) and “FX Slot 1/2 Right” for Effect 2 (Chorus). Set the send level in Pre Fader mode to allow you to control the send level independent of the channel’s dry volume. Then use the EAX Control panel to select the required Reverb preset, tweak as desired and then configure the Effect levels under the “Source” tab, with Source set to “WAVE/MP3”. You can then create a new track in Cubasis VST CE with the input set to Post EQ which will allow you to monitor the return signal from the Effect and also record it to that track. This new “wet” effected track can be played back alongside your original dry track.

• ASIO outputs 13 and 14 (FX Slot 3/4) use the same principle as with Slot 1/2 except that the effects in Slots 3 and 4 are user selectable. A step by step guide of how to use these busses is given below.

You'll find rest of the documentation from original driver/software CD (search a file named book.chm).

jiitee

silvertones

not using ASIO!

Russ

What DSP config are you using?

I am not sure what these are:
KX WAVE 0/1 1/2
KX WAVE 0/1 3/4
KX WAVE 0/1 5/6
KX WAVE 0/1 7/8

The normal kX Wave Devices (which I am sure you have seen in other programs) are:
kX Wave 0/1
kX Wave 4/5
kX Wave 6/7
kX Wave 8/9

Under the default DSP setup, these correspond to FxBus (0/1), (4/5), (6/7), (8/9), so depending on your DSP config, it may sound different depending on which wave device you choose to use (the routing through the DSP is different). Make sure you setup your DSP to match the kX Wave device that you choose to use.

I do not know anything about Sonar, but I downloaded a demo, and it listed the same devices that you posted above.

I do not really know how to use the program, but I did a little testing and it seems that:
KX WAVE 0/1 1/2 is the same as kX Wave 4/5
KX WAVE 0/1 3/4 is the same as kX Wave 8/9
KX WAVE 0/1 5/6 is the same as kX Wave 6/7
KX WAVE 0/1 7/8 is the same as kX Wave 4/5.
(by same, I mean where it enters the DSP (FXBus #).

None of them seem to use kX Wave 0/1 (FxBus (0/1).

I did not notice any distortion using any of them (but again, I really do not know how to use Sonar, so my testing was limited).

Do you notice the same distortion if you choose kX Wave 8/9 as the wave device in another program (using the same DSP config)?

Russ

BTW: To post a screenshot, use a free image hosting website (or your own web site, if you have one) like http://www.tinypic.com and just post the link to the picture.

Maddogg6

Remember KX Wave 0/1 is multi-channel capable.....

Im not sure - but *I think* the Wave 0/1 - part indicates its 'WAVE 0/1' device - and the 1/2, 3/4, 5/6, 7/8 - indicate that Wave 0/1 device is multi-channel capable..
With my Live & A2 card in Sonar 5 - I have those devices as well as:
Wave 4/5
Wave 6/7
Wave 8/9
(the A2 adds Wave HQ 1/2, 3/4, 5/6, 7/8 also btw)

But If I dont properly run Wave profiler after ANY changes to audio settings in Sonar - I have problems with drop outs and crackeling/distortion.
Also - I will have problems when some additional wave devices are enabled (my TV capture card - by default is also added - I have to manually dis-able it in sonar.

Also - I notice no 'playback timing master' device is selected by default - I choose Wave 0/1 1/2 - and it seems to work ok for me. AFTER I run wave profiler again that is.

Russ

I was thinking it was something to do with that as well, but it seemed strange that none of them actually used FxBus (0/1) when I was testing (FxBus (4/5) was used twice).

silvertones

Yes in Cakewalk Pro Audio 8 ,which is just an older version of Sonar, in Adobe Audition, and in Cool Edit 2000 they all look like they should: they do use fx 0/1.
As mentioned above if I chose one of the others 8/9 for example playback is fine.The crackling came as a result of forgetting to change, under the audio options in Sonar,the playback timing master.

And Russ you are right if I choose 0/1 1/2 in Sonar set fx to 4/5 and master timing in Sonar to 4/5 it plays clean.

I don't recall this happening in kx 3537 but am not 100% sure

Maddogg6

In Sonar - you choose KX WAVE 0/1 & 'sub-device' as the available output device - Thus - you see wave 0/1 x/x - it seems like its this way for some backward compatability and still use them discretely or sumthin..?? And we are given 2 ways to access them seperately.

But also - remember - when WAV 0/1 is multi channel mode (AC3 / Direct Sound) - there IS NO FXBuss 0/1 meant for output... Unless you change the KX Router - but not by default for me. - Right? - or am I not understanding something..??

Russ

No, you are right Maddogg6, I am just not sure why there are 4 kX Wave 0/1 devices, that only use 3 of the FxBus pairs. I thought that maybe 0/1 1/2 would be normal kX Wave 0/1, while the others would be used for multi-channel audio, but when I was testing, none of them used FxBus (0/1), so I was wondering why there are 4 of them (instead of 3), or, if it is for 8 channel audio, why FxBus 4/5 is used twice, and not another FxBus pair (unless it only works with 8 channel card models? I wonder if it would have been different if I turned on the 8ps option?) In any case, it's not a big deal, just a curiousity...

Maddogg6

Maybe - becuase your cards are not 7.1 - map the extras to available FXBuss - depending on card model/capability - right - doesnt that make sense?

edit:Oh - for direct sound compatibily - so SW can access all channels - but KX will re-rout if card is not capable of ALL DS possible channels. That makes sense to me...
end edit

Its been a while since I didnt use ASIO in Sonar - but I dont recal any issues - then again - THAT wasnt for a very long period tho either... so I could be mistaken..

Russ

Yeah, that is probably it.

silvertones

Well now that is sort of figuired out I thought I'd try ASIO.Let me explain. I've used KX for quite some time now but only in a limited fashion. I used to have an maudio Delta 1010 installed. I had the digital out from the SB live 5.1 go to the digital in of the delta. All of the audio playback and recording was handeled by the delta. I just used the synth in the SB live 5.1. I have sold the delta and only have the 5.1 so I wan't to set up to use the ASIO drivers as I did in the Delta.Sonar will only adrress 1 ASIO sound card at once and it always chose the Delta. Now when I set Sonar to use ASIO it should choose KX but it doesn't. The driver fields are blank. I have an other ASIO capable program "Band in a Box" and when I try to use ASIO there I get errors about format not supported etc. Looks like my card has an issue?
Driver Name:kX Audio Driver (Debug)
Driver Date: Jan 23 2006 01:43:49
Driver Version: 5.10.00.3538 - debug
DB Name:none
SB022xa 10k1 [eec0]
PCI Information:
Device: 21102 Subsys: 80661102 ChipRev: a
Card has MPU device
Card model is '5.1'
Card HAS AC97 codec
Codec name: SigmaTel STAC9758
3D Extension: SigmaTel 3D Enhancement
Codec is 2.0 compliant
Capabilities[6a90] : -headphone out-
DAC resolutions : -16-bit- -20-bit-
ADC resolutions : -16-bit- -20-bit-
Ext Capabilities [bc7]: -var rate PCM audio- -2x PCM audio out- -PCM center DAC- -PCM surround DAC- -PCM LFE DAC- -slot/DAC mappings-
Port: eec0 Irq: 0x12(18)
Playback buffer: 20a0
Record buffer: 4000
Number of AC3 buffers: 4
Tank memory: 256 kb
GSIF buffer: 256 samples
OS version: [2 5 0 Service Pack 4; 2 5 0 Service Pack 4; 156 148]
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Thanks

John

Russ

Make sure that you set the sample rate to 48000 in those programs in order to use kX ASIO.

silvertones

I did but it appears that there is an issue with the 10k1 sb live 5.1 and asio.????

Russ

Yes, there is an issue, but it is not related to your problem. The issue is basically that ASIO 1 and ASIO 2 cannot be used as inputs (that leaves ASIO 0/3/4/5/6/7/8/9/10/11/12/13/14/15), and that the mapping may not be one to one with the numbering that you see in the host program (the numbers are often shifted by 2). You will have to figure out the mapping yourself in this case (see Lex's guide for Cubase SX3 for info on doing the mapping (it is basically the same for any program)).

Maddogg6

Sonar projects that you recorded with your delta - if recorded in anything OTHER than 16 bit 48Khz format - will require one of the 2 following:
1) Dont use KX ASIO (WDM or maybe ASIO4All ??)
2) Export the audio tracks - with Sonar config'd to use WDM driver
- make a new project AFTER config Sonar for ASIO
- import audio - copy/paste midi - and dont forget to copy/paste the tempo maps as well

Its your only options in the case of old projects in NON 16/48 format.

silvertones

I guess I gave too much info. Simply when I go to Sonar under options/audio/advanced/driver mode I choose ASIO. I then have to shut down and restart the program for the changes to take effect. Then under options/audio/drivers there are no drivers listed.

Maddogg6

1) Make sure the right device is selected in Sonars Audio/General/Playback and record timing Master ...

2) Make sure KX ASIO Control panel shows something like:
Format: 16 bit / 48Khz [16 + 16]

silvertones

when I switch to ASIO in Sonar there are no devices to select!!!!!!!
How do I get to the control panel?

silvertones

Got it! Thanks a WHOLE lot
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Maddogg6

No problem... .glad I was helpful...