just 1 application at the same time???

mrvomit · Dec 17, 2006, 01:41 PM

Hi guys ,noticing that.3538L
if i start an application ,say sonar ,or guitar rig or whatever.

When Loading a SECOND audio application ,It does'nt find The KX ASIO DRIVERs!!
those are not available..is it normal?

Example:
I load guitar rig ,or a chainer with various vsti.
If i load sonar ,sonar does'nt find the drivers.and it's NOT "sonar related"

That happen also if i load guitar rig, and then amplitube for example(amplitube does'nt find asio drivers on the system).

IS it a 3538L BUG maybe?
somone could check?

Max M. · Dec 17, 2006, 02:02 PM

>those are not available..is it normal?

actually, yes, it is. kX ASIO (currently) is not multiclient. So you need to load/use your Synths/Effects inside you ASIO host (e.g. use guitar rig from within sonar if it is possible - actually this is the "mainstream way" to deal with instruments/effects and DAWs).

see also http://www.hardwareheaven.com/asio/72902-there-any-asio-multiclient-possibility.html

mrvomit · Dec 17, 2006, 08:46 PM

thanks for the link.
Someone claims he got to work with different application using different asio channels!,

i did'nt get that (the Kx driver option disappear within the second application opened ).
gonnna investigate the link

With non asio drivers is possible anyway.
wonder if is possible using asio and mme at the same time

edit:tried:is it possible to use mme and asio (mme sonar ..asio through guitar rig),but the sound get bips and noise when i load sonar track ,and play guitar rig for example

Maddogg6 · Dec 17, 2006, 09:45 PM

Thats twice you mentioned Sonar and Guitar rig - and in case you didn't know - you can record sound outputted from guitar rig if you read up (sonar help) on recording performance with VST track or buss effects.

optionally you can rout (in KX DSP) KX effects as well if desired - and record all with relatively low latency..

Alternatively - you can record a dry guitar sound in a sonar track and just playback through guitar rig - this way you can tweak and automate guitar rig parameters - like the wha pedal - or volume swells with delay trails..(this is my preferred method as opposed to recording affects applied)

As Max said - using DAW and synths/fx as track/buss effects is the more common way - common, because its the best way for low latency and cross DAW compatibility - and most importantly - it work..

mrvomit · Dec 24, 2006, 01:50 AM

not sure to unserstand fully the last post

Quote:

you can record sound outputted from guitar rig if you read up (sonar help) on recording performance with VST track or buss effects.

anyway i think you referr to sonar included manual .will check what you mean.

I simply add th play a distort part,you need a distort sound,as execution is naturally different when hearing the clean sound.
when appling effect on recording ,i hear latency and is difficult to play in exact timing.
that's all.
thanks madd

Maddogg6 · Dec 24, 2006, 03:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrvomit

not sure to unserstand fully the last post
anyway i think you referr to sonar included manual .will check what you mean.

I simply add th play a distort part,you need a distort sound,as execution is naturally different when hearing the clean sound.
when appling effect on recording ,i hear latency and is difficult to play in exact timing.
that's all.
thanks madd

Yeah - thats an inherant problem with recording PC based effects.

What I recommend - is use KX DSP to get a distorted tone (and use delay too or what ever KX DSP effects) - BUT rout dry/un-affected sound into epilog/ProFx-ASIO - and record THAT dry signal in sonar - THEN add guitar rig VST as a track effect.

Btw - you *may* need to install a VST addon for sonar to use VST(i)'s like you can DX(i) - *I think* depends on what version of sonar you have - 'VST Adapter 4' - is one such addon.

Max M. · Dec 24, 2006, 02:10 PM

>when appling effect on recording ,i hear latency and is difficult to play in exact timing.

Use lowest possible latency - for example 5ms settings for kX ASIO gives you a total roundtrip time of 10ms - the latency you would have playing guitar through a combo placed ~3 meters away from you. (assuming all the 'right' drive/distortion effects have zero latency themselves)

mrvomit · Dec 25, 2006, 03:00 AM

i see your point.
You recommend to use a generic distorted toned btained with a Kx effects just to play with a "electric guitar feeling".
only after that ,to apply the grig vsti to avoid latencies on recording.

that 's not a bad idea i say

Maddogg6 · Dec 25, 2006, 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrvomit

i see your point.
You recommend to use a generic distorted toned btained with a Kx effects just to play with a "electric guitar feeling".
only after that ,to apply the grig vsti to avoid latencies on recording.

that 's not a bad idea i say

AND as an added bonus - you have NOT recorded (thus, 'committed') any effects - and can change them as you like later - and even, more easily and accurately automate grig parameters to match actual performance as opposed to 'expected' performance.

SPYRO · Nov 15, 2007, 05:34 AM

Talking about ASIO multiclient:

I also discovered the newer 3539 drivers lack Multiclient ASIO, any specific reason for that? I roll back to 3538k because I find it very handy when I want to quickly test a synth outside my main sequencer while is open, or use melodyne alongside with the main sequencer at the same time.

cheers.

**dj_stick** · Nov 15, 2007, 10:35 PM

ASIO is not a multi-client standard iirc - it's pure luck that some versions of kX allow it imo

Dec 17, 2006, 01:41 PM	#1
mrvomit HardwareHeaven Addict Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 261 Rep Power: 0	just 1 application at the same time??? Hi guys ,noticing that.3538L if i start an application ,say sonar ,or guitar rig or whatever. When Loading a SECOND audio application ,It does'nt find The KX ASIO DRIVERs!! those are not available..is it normal? Example: I load guitar rig ,or a chainer with various vsti. If i load sonar ,sonar does'nt find the drivers.and it's NOT "sonar related" That happen also if i load guitar rig, and then amplitube for example(amplitube does'nt find asio drivers on the system). IS it a 3538L BUG maybe? somone could check? __________________ audio: Audigy 2 platinum SB0240 - amd 939 175 opty- Backup: Sblive 5.1 platinum (w.live drive) Sb060 DVDwriter : pioneer 107, nec 3540A windows XP

Dec 17, 2006, 08:46 PM	Thread Starter #3
mrvomit HardwareHeaven Addict Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 261 Rep Power: 0	thanks for the link. Someone claims he got to work with different application using different asio channels!, i did'nt get that (the Kx driver option disappear within the second application opened ). gonnna investigate the link With non asio drivers is possible anyway. wonder if is possible using asio and mme at the same time edit:tried:is it possible to use mme and asio (mme sonar ..asio through guitar rig),but the sound get bips and noise when i load sonar track ,and play guitar rig for example __________________ audio: Audigy 2 platinum SB0240 - amd 939 175 opty- Backup: Sblive 5.1 platinum (w.live drive) Sb060 DVDwriter : pioneer 107, nec 3540A windows XP

Dec 24, 2006, 02:10 PM	#7
Max M. h/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,639 Rep Power: 69	>when appling effect on recording ,i hear latency and is difficult to play in exact timing. Use lowest possible latency - for example 5ms settings for kX ASIO gives you a total roundtrip time of 10ms - the latency you would have playing guitar through a combo placed ~3 meters away from you. (assuming all the 'right' drive/distortion effects have zero latency themselves) Last edited by Max M.; Dec 24, 2006 at 03:44 PM.

Dec 25, 2006, 03:00 AM	Thread Starter #8
mrvomit HardwareHeaven Addict Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 261 Rep Power: 0	i see your point. You recommend to use a generic distorted toned btained with a Kx effects just to play with a "electric guitar feeling". only after that ,to apply the grig vsti to avoid latencies on recording. that 's not a bad idea i say __________________ audio: Audigy 2 platinum SB0240 - amd 939 175 opty- Backup: Sblive 5.1 platinum (w.live drive) Sb060 DVDwriter : pioneer 107, nec 3540A windows XP

Dec 17, 2006, 02:02 PM	#2
Max M. h/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,639 Rep Power: 69	>those are not available..is it normal? actually, yes, it is. kX ASIO (currently) is not multiclient. So you need to load/use your Synths/Effects inside you ASIO host (e.g. use guitar rig from within sonar if it is possible - actually this is the "mainstream way" to deal with instruments/effects and DAWs). see also http://www.hardwareheaven.com/asio/72902-there-any-asio-multiclient-possibility.html

Dec 17, 2006, 09:45 PM	#4
Maddogg6 Tail Razer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bernyurass, AZ - USA Posts: 4,027 Rep Power: 0	Thats twice you mentioned Sonar and Guitar rig - and in case you didn't know - you can record sound outputted from guitar rig if you read up (sonar help) on recording performance with VST track or buss effects. optionally you can rout (in KX DSP) KX effects as well if desired - and record all with relatively low latency.. Alternatively - you can record a dry guitar sound in a sonar track and just playback through guitar rig - this way you can tweak and automate guitar rig parameters - like the wha pedal - or volume swells with delay trails..(this is my preferred method as opposed to recording affects applied) As Max said - using DAW and synths/fx as track/buss effects is the more common way - common, because its the best way for low latency and cross DAW compatibility - and most importantly - it work..

Nov 15, 2007, 05:34 AM	#10
SPYRO DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 18 Rep Power: 0	Talking about ASIO multiclient: I also discovered the newer 3539 drivers lack Multiclient ASIO, any specific reason for that? I roll back to 3538k because I find it very handy when I want to quickly test a synth outside my main sequencer while is open, or use melodyne alongside with the main sequencer at the same time. cheers.