howto ? DirectSound 3-D Software emulation improved (via 4 / 5.1 speakers)

inteks · Mar 17, 2003, 09:19 PM

hi to all,
does anyone know how to get this 3d sound to work ???
i tryed it in ut2003 with all settings (software,hardware,hardware + eax)
but i get allways only sound from the front speakers.
i tryed also the a3d driver but no rear sound.

thx i.a.
tom

ps:
audigy1 + livedrive + 3530
windows xp

inteks · Mar 18, 2003, 08:00 AM

a second question. what speakersetup i have to choose in windows setup ???
or ... how to tell kxdriver how many speacker i use (2,4,5.1)?

thx i.a.
tom

PS: to dev team: great work (routing 01 3dsound and 45 67 89 direct outs)
i like it (super klasse) !!!

Max M. · Mar 18, 2003, 12:08 PM

>how to tell kxdriver how many speacker i use (2,4,5.1)? - You can choose number of speakers for multichannel streams to be rendered to via "surrounder" plugin

inteks · Mar 18, 2003, 05:16 PM

sorry i'm a bit slow

i found this new surrounder plugin and i changed the setting now to 4.1.

but in unreal i have no 3d sound.
if i switch surround mode on i have sound on all 4 speaker
but its a normal dolbysurround decoder, isn't it?

i thougt i have to switch off surround for real multichannel sound.

it's not real positional 3d mode for games,or is it?

have fun
tom

Max M. · Mar 18, 2003, 05:56 PM

>but in unreal i have no 3d sound. - this means that unreal plays in stereo for some reason...

inteks · Mar 18, 2003, 08:25 PM

i have tesed it with "play3dsound.exe" a sample from the microsoft directx sdk
and it plays in stereo to!
no rearsound!

are you sure that kxdriver has positional directsound 3d?
what do i wrong

thx
tom

dahool · Mar 18, 2003, 11:37 PM

Hi

I did not even find the surrounder plugin. Is it included with the new Kx Project, or do I have to download it seperately? If yes.. where?

It's set to 5.1, but I only have 4.1 so I'd like a way to change it

thanks,
john

inteks · Mar 19, 2003, 07:40 AM

@max
i think that something going wrong on my computer. i have unistalled and installed
kxdriver again but with no luck.
it stays at stereo sound no 3d.
any idea?

@dahool
its in the 3530 version. click on dsp. in the dsp window rightclick on the surrounderplugin
and select tweak.

have fun
tom

ps: i found out that i'm unable to change wavevolume! i take it to max but next time i opened the
mixer it's on min again!
but it cant be right, because i hear waveplaying at full volume.

**Eugene Gavrilov** · Mar 21, 2003, 02:15 AM

this is a complicated thing
when you start any DirectSound 3D application in software mode, DirectX (sometimes) switches the speaker configuration into 'stereo mode' automatically. however, according to m$ specs, it should use all the available channels instead. so, make sure you have the 'Speaker configuration' set up correctly

/Eugene

inteks · Mar 21, 2003, 02:38 PM

i am sure that windows controlpanel is set 4 speaker and surroundplugin is set to 4 speaker too!

as i sayed maybe something with my installation is going wrong!
the first time i reboot after installation i had a aditional combobox in the ac97 page but no sound!
but after a second boot this combobox disapears.
it was something like low,medium,high to chose.
i dont know exaktly because it disapears after the second boot.
has it something to do with 3dsound

thx ia
tom

Max M. · Mar 21, 2003, 03:23 PM

no, i'm sure it has nothing to do with setup (that combo is the stupid pseudo surround of ac97 codec - it depends on codec model - and has nothing to do with DirectX)... the problem is somewhere in between app->windows(microsoft's software directsound3d layer)->kx... well... it's hard to say where... it is not your local problem - i think everyone gets this maybe...

inteks · Mar 28, 2003, 09:11 AM

hi max,
is the problem fixed with the new release ???

currenty i have the creative driver installed because the most time i play ut2003
and i like it to hear when action is behind me

when this 3d problem is fixed there is really no need for creative driver anymore

cheers
tom

LoyC · Mar 29, 2003, 04:11 PM

do u know how to use the surrounder plugin? it's installed by default in kX DSP, and u can choose its speaker mode there (2.1, 4.1 and 5.1)...and if u don't have a subwoofer untick the box below, if u do remember to tick it!

i do not know what the surround option means, but i do not select it 'cos i'm satisfied with stereo output. can u enlight us whether it is 3d software surround or standard surround positioning? and the "copy" option i'm not too sure as well. thanks =)

Drucifer · Mar 30, 2003, 10:57 PM

I'm using the Audigy2, and I can echo what he's saying about the sound issue. No matter what app I run, I get only front channel stereo, regardless of sound settings. It's not a speaker configuration error, nor a windows setup error, or any other attempted dodge by people who "Just Dont Know", they just aren't working right with the KX drivers. The downside is that while I can use the creative drivers and get the full proper surround effects, then my subwoofer doesn't work for jack. If I could just combine the sub option of the KX and the default drivers, I'd be set.

Max M. · Mar 31, 2003, 12:02 AM

Oh, oh...

inteks · Mar 31, 2003, 01:01 PM

@LoyC
it has nothing to do with the surround plugin. i think its only to upmix a stereo signal to a 5.1 signal by dolby surround (or copy). or to downmix a decodeed ac3 stream to 2 or 4 speaker.

with directsound3d you have soundbuffer and this soundbuffers has x,y,z coodinates.

if in the game someone behind you. his footsteps should came out of the rear boxes.
and if someone infront of you they should came out of the front boxes.
also if anywhere in the map is some action you should hear from where it come.

then you go that direction and make some frags

have fun
tom

Mar 17, 2003, 09:19 PM	#1
inteks HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 90 Rep Power: 0	please help ? DirectSound 3-D Software emulation improved (via 4 / 5.1 speakers) hi to all, does anyone know how to get this 3d sound to work ??? i tryed it in ut2003 with all settings (software,hardware,hardware + eax) but i get allways only sound from the front speakers. i tryed also the a3d driver but no rear sound. thx i.a. tom ps: audigy1 + livedrive + 3530 windows xp __________________ 3820TG i5@3.5Ghz HD5650@700/900 Windows7 On Intel X25-M G2 Postville 160GB 3820tray --- 3820TG ATI vBios MOD --- 1810t TME MOD --- Acc Sensor Mod Last edited by inteks; Mar 18, 2003 at 09:28 AM.

Mar 18, 2003, 08:00 AM	Thread Starter #2
inteks HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 90 Rep Power: 0	a second question. what speakersetup i have to choose in windows setup ??? or ... how to tell kxdriver how many speacker i use (2,4,5.1)? thx i.a. tom PS: to dev team: great work (routing 01 3dsound and 45 67 89 direct outs) i like it (super klasse) !!! __________________ 3820TG i5@3.5Ghz HD5650@700/900 Windows7 On Intel X25-M G2 Postville 160GB 3820tray --- 3820TG ATI vBios MOD --- 1810t TME MOD --- Acc Sensor Mod

Mar 18, 2003, 12:08 PM	#3
Max M. h/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,639 Rep Power: 69	>how to tell kxdriver how many speacker i use (2,4,5.1)? - You can choose number of speakers for multichannel streams to be rendered to via "surrounder" plugin __________________

Mar 18, 2003, 05:16 PM	Thread Starter #4
inteks HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 90 Rep Power: 0	sorry i'm a bit slow i found this new surrounder plugin and i changed the setting now to 4.1. but in unreal i have no 3d sound. if i switch surround mode on i have sound on all 4 speaker but its a normal dolbysurround decoder, isn't it? i thougt i have to switch off surround for real multichannel sound. it's not real positional 3d mode for games,or is it? have fun tom __________________ 3820TG i5@3.5Ghz HD5650@700/900 Windows7 On Intel X25-M G2 Postville 160GB 3820tray --- 3820TG ATI vBios MOD --- 1810t TME MOD --- Acc Sensor Mod

Mar 18, 2003, 05:56 PM	#5
Max M. h/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,639 Rep Power: 69	>but in unreal i have no 3d sound. - this means that unreal plays in stereo for some reason... __________________

Mar 18, 2003, 08:25 PM	Thread Starter #6
inteks HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 90 Rep Power: 0	i have tesed it with "play3dsound.exe" a sample from the microsoft directx sdk and it plays in stereo to! no rearsound! are you sure that kxdriver has positional directsound 3d? what do i wrong thx tom __________________ 3820TG i5@3.5Ghz HD5650@700/900 Windows7 On Intel X25-M G2 Postville 160GB 3820tray --- 3820TG ATI vBios MOD --- 1810t TME MOD --- Acc Sensor Mod

Mar 18, 2003, 11:37 PM	#7
dahool DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Hamburg, GER Posts: 6 Rep Power: 0	Hi I did not even find the surrounder plugin. Is it included with the new Kx Project, or do I have to download it seperately? If yes.. where? It's set to 5.1, but I only have 4.1 so I'd like a way to change it thanks, john

Mar 19, 2003, 07:40 AM	Thread Starter #8
inteks HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 90 Rep Power: 0	@max i think that something going wrong on my computer. i have unistalled and installed kxdriver again but with no luck. it stays at stereo sound no 3d. any idea? @dahool its in the 3530 version. click on dsp. in the dsp window rightclick on the surrounderplugin and select tweak. have fun tom ps: i found out that i'm unable to change wavevolume! i take it to max but next time i opened the mixer it's on min again! but it cant be right, because i hear waveplaying at full volume. __________________ 3820TG i5@3.5Ghz HD5650@700/900 Windows7 On Intel X25-M G2 Postville 160GB 3820tray --- 3820TG ATI vBios MOD --- 1810t TME MOD --- Acc Sensor Mod Last edited by inteks; Mar 19, 2003 at 07:46 AM.

Mar 21, 2003, 02:15 AM	#9
Eugene Gavrilov kX Project Lead Programmer and Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,119 Rep Power: 75	this is a complicated thing when you start any DirectSound 3D application in software mode, DirectX (sometimes) switches the speaker configuration into 'stereo mode' automatically. however, according to m$ specs, it should use all the available channels instead. so, make sure you have the 'Speaker configuration' set up correctly /Eugene

Mar 21, 2003, 02:38 PM	Thread Starter #10
inteks HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 90 Rep Power: 0	i am sure that windows controlpanel is set 4 speaker and surroundplugin is set to 4 speaker too! as i sayed maybe something with my installation is going wrong! the first time i reboot after installation i had a aditional combobox in the ac97 page but no sound! but after a second boot this combobox disapears. it was something like low,medium,high to chose. i dont know exaktly because it disapears after the second boot. has it something to do with 3dsound thx ia tom __________________ 3820TG i5@3.5Ghz HD5650@700/900 Windows7 On Intel X25-M G2 Postville 160GB 3820tray --- 3820TG ATI vBios MOD --- 1810t TME MOD --- Acc Sensor Mod

Mar 21, 2003, 03:23 PM	#11
Max M. h/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,639 Rep Power: 69	no, i'm sure it has nothing to do with setup (that combo is the stupid pseudo surround of ac97 codec - it depends on codec model - and has nothing to do with DirectX)... the problem is somewhere in between app->windows(microsoft's software directsound3d layer)->kx... well... it's hard to say where... it is not your local problem - i think everyone gets this maybe... __________________

Mar 28, 2003, 09:11 AM	Thread Starter #12
inteks HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 90 Rep Power: 0	hi max, is the problem fixed with the new release ??? currenty i have the creative driver installed because the most time i play ut2003 and i like it to hear when action is behind me when this 3d problem is fixed there is really no need for creative driver anymore cheers tom __________________ 3820TG i5@3.5Ghz HD5650@700/900 Windows7 On Intel X25-M G2 Postville 160GB 3820tray --- 3820TG ATI vBios MOD --- 1810t TME MOD --- Acc Sensor Mod

Mar 29, 2003, 04:11 PM	#13
LoyC DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Singapore Posts: 14 Rep Power: 0	do u know how to use the surrounder plugin? it's installed by default in kX DSP, and u can choose its speaker mode there (2.1, 4.1 and 5.1)...and if u don't have a subwoofer untick the box below, if u do remember to tick it! i do not know what the surround option means, but i do not select it 'cos i'm satisfied with stereo output. can u enlight us whether it is 3d software surround or standard surround positioning? and the "copy" option i'm not too sure as well. thanks =)

Mar 30, 2003, 10:57 PM	#14
Drucifer DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	No 3D surround- at all I'm using the Audigy2, and I can echo what he's saying about the sound issue. No matter what app I run, I get only front channel stereo, regardless of sound settings. It's not a speaker configuration error, nor a windows setup error, or any other attempted dodge by people who "Just Dont Know", they just aren't working right with the KX drivers. The downside is that while I can use the creative drivers and get the full proper surround effects, then my subwoofer doesn't work for jack. If I could just combine the sub option of the KX and the default drivers, I'd be set.

Mar 31, 2003, 12:02 AM	#15
Max M. h/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,639 Rep Power: 69	Oh, oh... __________________

Mar 31, 2003, 01:01 PM	Thread Starter #16
inteks HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 90 Rep Power: 0	@LoyC it has nothing to do with the surround plugin. i think its only to upmix a stereo signal to a 5.1 signal by dolby surround (or copy). or to downmix a decodeed ac3 stream to 2 or 4 speaker. with directsound3d you have soundbuffer and this soundbuffers has x,y,z coodinates. if in the game someone behind you. his footsteps should came out of the rear boxes. and if someone infront of you they should came out of the front boxes. also if anywhere in the map is some action you should hear from where it come. then you go that direction and make some frags have fun tom __________________ 3820TG i5@3.5Ghz HD5650@700/900 Windows7 On Intel X25-M G2 Postville 160GB 3820tray --- 3820TG ATI vBios MOD --- 1810t TME MOD --- Acc Sensor Mod