3538m released

Nforce2XP · Feb 9, 2007, 08:44 PM

did you get the error that i got on vista X86, i haven't be able to test my setting on 4.1 speakers , (failed to create sound), do you know how can i put my speakers?
at the moment in surrounder i have set as 4.1 don't know if is ok for gaming or not, think is that i want it sorround, since EAX its dropped by Vista i dont care anymore of it, well thanks for any halp you might provide me...

Max M. · Feb 9, 2007, 09:20 PM

kX's speaker test depends on DirectSound no longer present in Vista (hense the test does not work there).

Same for ASIO (it is also uses some intefaces no longer being in MSV)

> i have set as 4.1 don't know if is ok for gaming or not,

Whatever setting that suites your own ears is OK (isn't it?)

Safaa_Pro · Feb 9, 2007, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eugene Gavrilov

after that, I will start working on x64 support and will work on improving Vista compatibility (ASIO)

We will wait the upcoming release 3539
keep the excellant job .. God bless u

best regards

naters22 · Feb 14, 2007, 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nforce2XP

did you get the error that i got on vista X86, i haven't be able to test my setting on 4.1 speakers , (failed to create sound), do you know how can i put my speakers?
at the moment in surrounder i have set as 4.1 don't know if is ok for gaming or not, think is that i want it sorround, since EAX its dropped by Vista i dont care anymore of it, well thanks for any halp you might provide me...

I just tried installing the new kX drivers and I am having the same issue. Sound works fine in stereo but I can't set the speakers either through Vista's speaker setup or kX's speaker setup to anything higher than 2.0. Is there any workaround to get 5.1 that anybody is aware of?

Russ · Feb 14, 2007, 05:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by naters22

I just tried installing the new kX drivers and I am having the same issue. Sound works fine in stereo but I can't set the speakers either through Vista's speaker setup or kX's speaker setup to anything higher than 2.0. Is there any workaround to get 5.1 that anybody is aware of?

Do you mean that you are not getting multi-channel audio from the OS (probably because of the lack of DirectSound3D in Vista?), or do you mean that you are unable to upmix to 5.1 (I cannot think of any reason why upmixing using Surrounder would not work with Vista)?

Todesengel · Feb 14, 2007, 05:23 PM

I have the same problem with 5.1

But my problem is that Windows Vista does not allows me to turn the speakers to 5.1 so that games like CS:S also does not allow me to do this. Now I have to play in stereo

I hope the next release will come soon

I my case I can upmix, but it seems that I cannot get real surround-support by OS

naters22 · Feb 14, 2007, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ

Do you mean that you are not getting multi-channel audio from the OS (probably because of the lack of DirectSound3D in Vista?), or do you mean that you are unable to upmix to 5.1 (I cannot think of any reason why upmixing using Surrounder would not work with Vista)?

I am not able to get the driver to upmix to 5.1. My onboard Soundmax can upmix to 5.1 in Vista (although it sounds like utter c**p). The kX driver (for my Audigy 2 ZS) for some reason won't upmix. I know Vista is capable of it, but the driver doesn't seem to be able to do it for some reason.

Max M. · Feb 14, 2007, 06:31 PM

>The kX driver (for my Audigy 2 ZS) for some reason won't upmix

that's definitely strange - kX's upmixing capability is not OS dependend (it will work even in DOS :) - so just make sure you're doing everything right (e.g. in kxmixer, set the number of speakers to desired value, turn on surround mode ("on/copy") and ensure you're using "kX Wave ... 0/1" as your output device)

Todesengel · Feb 14, 2007, 07:04 PM

yes, very strang, I also have the AUDIGY 2 ZS

Todesengel · Feb 14, 2007, 07:43 PM

look here:
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/general-...-surround.html

Devil May Cry · Feb 17, 2007, 02:52 PM

A sometime later sound goes like a test signal with a restart it comes again. 3538j also has same bug on sb0220

mige_serbia · Feb 18, 2007, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by qarews

i have problems with the kx line in and my tuner
this is happening in the last two builds of the kx drivers 38 l and m

i cannot select kx line in in dscaler [the freeware program i use for my old bt8xx tuner]
kx line in does not apear un the sound source configuration

so line in cannot be controlled by dscaler [i have to manualy use the kx mixer]
not really a solution when using a remote

the builds before vesion 38L are ok
but in the latest 2 builds i think windows canot see/detect the kx line in or smth

something is not to the standard ... smth hasa been changend in the last 2 builds

I have the same problems with my audigy2 and tv tuner.

Max M. · Feb 18, 2007, 04:30 PM

mige_serbia
you already have your answer here: http://www.hardwareheaven.com/general-...-problems.html

mtsarge · Feb 18, 2007, 06:18 PM

Hello,

I can't find this information, but why does my DirectSound hardware mixing not work with my Audigy 4?

See this image
[COLOR=#455b64]http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/5043/winampeb3.jpg[/COLOR]

smyle · Mar 8, 2007, 05:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mige_serbia

I have the same problems with my audigy2 and tv tuner.

Only the plugin+console command+synth slider workaround exists for the old tuner problem.

The line in + microphone compatibility the weakest point in kx for me too.
I dont see any sign from developers that they would solve that issue.

My situation even more difficulty, because I often use tv tuner and microphone also, so if I want to watch TV I have to set AC97 source to LineIn in kxmixer, and when I want to use my microphone I have to switch it back to Microphone.
So, before I want to use either of them, I have to switch that option.

thomasabarnes · Mar 8, 2007, 08:34 AM

With ProFX ADC plugin, you can make a custom DSP setup and use Line in and Mic at the same time. Have you tried to do that?

smyle · Mar 8, 2007, 05:47 PM

Not yet.
I try to figure out how this workaround works, but I dont see a clear howto about that.
I found the How KX can Make LineIn and MicIn selected Automaticly topic, but I dont know which method is good for me, and how I get missed plugins, like Gain, Stereo Mix, Stereo Mix + Gain.

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomasabarnes

With ProFX ADC plugin, you can make a custom DSP setup and use Line in and Mic at the same time. Have you tried to do that?

thomasabarnes · Mar 8, 2007, 07:44 PM

Hi smyle.

I'll try to suggest a simple DSP setup that you can try.

Clear DSP, load 1 instance of ProFX SRC and set it to FXBus 0/1 (it should already be set to that), Load ProFX ADC plugin (set one of the Record Sorce channels to Mic, the other to Line In and turn the slider up), load ProFX MX6 or MX8, and Load k1lt or k2lt (depending on if you have an Audigy or SB Live).

Connect the SRC and ADC (AC97l and AC97 right) to the MX6 or MX8 Channels 1 and 2 (and make sure channel 1 and 2 sliders are all the way up and for the ADC channel (and Record source channels in ADC GUI), and you check mark E, R, and M boxes and for SRC channel in MX6 GUI, and ckeckmark E and M boxes in MX6/MX8 GUI), connect the MX6/MX8 MainL and MainR to k1lt/k2lt out1l and out1r (which is the front speakers by default), and connect MX6/MX8 Recl and RecR to k1lt/k2lt out8l and out8r (WinMM recording by default).

Now, the Mic and Line In should work.

smyle · Mar 8, 2007, 09:40 PM

Hi!
I tried that DSP settings, I always hear my microphone voice back from left side, and I hear tv tuner sound from the right side.
I cant set volume from tv tuner app dscaler and microphone dont works in teamspeak now.

thomasabarnes · Mar 9, 2007, 02:57 AM

OK, wanted to see how that would turn out. Forgot to mention that both Mic and Line in would be a mono signal on L an R channels.

Teamspeak should work if you have the E, M, and R buttons enabled in MX6/MX8 for the ADC channel and you have to connect the MX6/MX8 RecL and RecR to the k2lt out8L and out8R (which should be WinMM Recording by default).

If this doesnt work, sorry. You can go back to your old setup. Maybe someone else will try to help.

smyle · Mar 9, 2007, 04:10 AM

Thank you!
It seems, after lot of rerouting Im closer to the solution.
Now my DSP looks like this (hope you can see it):
http://media.proxnet.hu/upload/20070...303044572.jpeg

In ADC GUI I switched sources to Line, in its mixer I turned on Mic, +20, UDA.
I routed its AC97 outputs to VolumeSt plugin, where I can set its volume via Synth windows slider (necessary for changing volume from tv tuner app).
VolumeSt outputs routed to MX8.
ADC UDAs outputs routed to MX8 too.
SRC (FXBus 0/1) plugin routed to MX8.
In MX8, the 3 channels volume sliders turned to maximum.
Here, at the microphone channel, turned the Main switch to Off, and Record to On.
Defaults are Main: On, Record: Off.
So I dont hear msyelf back.
MX8 main channels routed to k2lt upper 2 pins.
MX8 rec channels routed to the last 2 k2lt pins.

Finally I can use Teamspeak with my Mic whilst I can hear Tvtuner, and dont have to switch any sound options, when I close tv tuner app, it mutes synth slider, and dont hear my mic voice back neither.

But unfortunately the master mixer sliders dont works anymore

So I cant set master volume neither from my keyboard

Any suggetions?

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomasabarnes

OK, wanted to see how that would turn out. Forgot to mention that both Mic and Line in would be a mono signal on L an R channels.

Teamspeak should work if you have the E, M, and R buttons enabled in MX6/MX8 for the ADC channel and you have to connect the MX6/MX8 RecL and RecR to the k2lt out8L and out8R (which should be WinMM Recording by default).

If this doesnt work, sorry. You can go back to your old setup. Maybe someone else will try to help.

thomasabarnes · Mar 9, 2007, 08:14 AM

I was hoping a light would turn on and you could figure out something from the example DSP setup I suggested.

Quote:

But unfortunately the master mixer sliders dont works anymore

So I cant set master volume neither from my keyboard

Any suggetions?

Yes.

Unload k2lt and load Epilog. Find the same connectors on Epilog that you were using on K2lt (analog front and WinMM Recording=RecL/RecR on Epilog) and connect the same MX8 conectors you were using to those connectors on Epilog.

You should be able to control the master volume now with the multi-media keyboard volume control.

smyle · Mar 9, 2007, 06:08 PM

It works, thanks!
Yes, the starting route idea is yours

It's more comfortable now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomasabarnes

I was hoping a light would turn on and you could figure out something from the example DSP setup I suggested.

Yes.

Unload k2lt and load Epilog. Find the same connectors on Epilog that you were using on K2lt (analog front and WinMM Recording=RecL/RecR on Epilog) and connect the same MX8 conectors you were using to those connectors on Epilog.

You should be able to control the master volume now with the multi-media keyboard volume control.

thomasabarnes · Mar 9, 2007, 07:32 PM

Good.

nakamichi · Mar 11, 2007, 12:26 AM

Just 2 things: Is the 'Mic' input jack at the back of an Audigy2 (SB0240) card mono-only? If I plug a stereo mic into that input,I just get a dual mono signal of the left channel.

Also,are the UDA outputs (of the ProFX ADC plugin) actually working with the SB0240 card? I can't get any output out of those 2 UDA pins.I also can't get the second VU meter in the ADC plugin to show any signal.

I want to record in 24/96 (p16v) mode with this card (from line-in) using the _UDA_ codec. Does the AC97I2S switch actually work with SB0240 cards? I'm using the latest 3538m drivers.

**dj_stick** · Mar 11, 2007, 01:01 AM

the mic input is mono on almost all soundcards, regardless of manufacturer

you should be able to use the UDA inputs on that card - i haven't seen any problems previously with the line in to I2S switch not working on fully supported 10k2 boards

JGSF · Mar 11, 2007, 04:57 AM

You can try and make a little adapter for the analog CD in (aux), you will get stereo ac97 input that way, i think... correct me if I'm wrong.

nakamichi · Mar 11, 2007, 12:02 PM

1. 'Line In' is stereo and works well,I was asking about the 'Mic In' input (not that I will use this low-quality input for recording,but it's useful for apps like VoIP).I assumed it was mono,just needed confirmation.

2. Is it possible to make an adapter for the 'CD SPDIF' input on this card to accept coaxial or optical input?

3. I don't know what's the problem,but it seems the UDA doesn't work.I'll post some screenshots of the current settings.

nakamichi · Mar 11, 2007, 01:24 PM

Here's some screenshots of this setup:

3538m drivers installed on this machine (XPSP2,SB0240) - when Wave HQ is selected as a default playback device,everything on this page is grayed out: Screenshot 1
Default playback and recording prefs (Windows Audio Settings): Screenshot 2
Default Voice Prefs (Windows Voice settings): Screenshot 3
kX Mixer Settings 1: Screenshot 4
kX Mixer settings 2: Screenshot 5
24/96 Router: Screenshot 6
ProFX AC97 Line In (works): Screenshot 7
ProFX AC97 + UDA Line In (UDA not working): Screenshot 8

Can someone post an example screenshot on how to configure the ProFX ADC plugin to record from Line In (UDA only)?

Mr Brownstone · Mar 13, 2007, 11:04 PM

Ok, hi I posted this on bugs thread but was suggested to post it here...

Ok... sorry about the noob bash in advance...

I got a E-Machines E4076 tower with a ATI X300 graphics card installed including my beloved Creative 5.1 Live! sound card.

I have windows vista Business installed.

At first I tried the NGO drivers. They worked but only gave me 2.1, I was told to try the KX drivers. And they are amazing. I get all 5.1 working fine on vista. woop

...

But! It is really temperamental! It seems to be if I leave the computer without playing any sounds, the driver will stop working and I will get no output. Also if I play music and close it and start a game the sound card will die. I have to have music CONSTANTLY playing for the sound card not to die on me.

The only way I have been able to get them to work again is to Hibernate the computer or restart. (Which takes bloody ages!)

I am currently using the Beta at the moment (Version: 5, 10, 00, 3538 - debug)

Ideas?

Feb 9, 2007, 08:44 PM	#31
Nforce2XP DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Los angeles Posts: 201 Rep Power: 0	did you get the error that i got on vista X86, i haven't be able to test my setting on 4.1 speakers , (failed to create sound), do you know how can i put my speakers? at the moment in surrounder i have set as 4.1 don't know if is ok for gaming or not, think is that i want it sorround, since EAX its dropped by Vista i dont care anymore of it, well thanks for any halp you might provide me... __________________ RES.T.A.R.S

Feb 18, 2007, 06:18 PM	#44
mtsarge DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	DirectSound in Winamp won't work Hello, I can't find this information, but why does my DirectSound hardware mixing not work with my Audigy 4? See this image [COLOR=#455b64]http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/5043/winampeb3.jpg[/COLOR]

Mar 8, 2007, 08:34 AM	#46
thomasabarnes Long Time ***** Friend Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: USA Posts: 1,373 Rep Power: 58 System Specs	With ProFX ADC plugin, you can make a custom DSP setup and use Line in and Mic at the same time. Have you tried to do that? __________________ May a song always touch you in a positive way. Sonar 8.5.3 PE, Windows 7 Pro 64Bit, MOTU UltraLite MK3, 150 GB HDD, 250 GB HDD, 1 TB HDD 7200 rpm, My Music Production: Top 40, Contemporary Christian, Pop/Rock, Decent Rap, Inspirationals, and Children Songs

Mar 8, 2007, 07:44 PM	#48
thomasabarnes Long Time ***** Friend Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: USA Posts: 1,373 Rep Power: 58 System Specs	Hi smyle. I'll try to suggest a simple DSP setup that you can try. Clear DSP, load 1 instance of ProFX SRC and set it to FXBus 0/1 (it should already be set to that), Load ProFX ADC plugin (set one of the Record Sorce channels to Mic, the other to Line In and turn the slider up), load ProFX MX6 or MX8, and Load k1lt or k2lt (depending on if you have an Audigy or SB Live). Connect the SRC and ADC (AC97l and AC97 right) to the MX6 or MX8 Channels 1 and 2 (and make sure channel 1 and 2 sliders are all the way up and for the ADC channel (and Record source channels in ADC GUI), and you check mark E, R, and M boxes and for SRC channel in MX6 GUI, and ckeckmark E and M boxes in MX6/MX8 GUI), connect the MX6/MX8 MainL and MainR to k1lt/k2lt out1l and out1r (which is the front speakers by default), and connect MX6/MX8 Recl and RecR to k1lt/k2lt out8l and out8r (WinMM recording by default). Now, the Mic and Line In should work. __________________ May a song always touch you in a positive way. Sonar 8.5.3 PE, Windows 7 Pro 64Bit, MOTU UltraLite MK3, 150 GB HDD, 250 GB HDD, 1 TB HDD 7200 rpm, My Music Production: Top 40, Contemporary Christian, Pop/Rock, Decent Rap, Inspirationals, and Children Songs Last edited by thomasabarnes; Mar 8, 2007 at 07:52 PM.

Mar 9, 2007, 02:57 AM	#50
thomasabarnes Long Time ***** Friend Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: USA Posts: 1,373 Rep Power: 58 System Specs	OK, wanted to see how that would turn out. Forgot to mention that both Mic and Line in would be a mono signal on L an R channels. Teamspeak should work if you have the E, M, and R buttons enabled in MX6/MX8 for the ADC channel and you have to connect the MX6/MX8 RecL and RecR to the k2lt out8L and out8R (which should be WinMM Recording by default). If this doesnt work, sorry. You can go back to your old setup. Maybe someone else will try to help. __________________ May a song always touch you in a positive way. Sonar 8.5.3 PE, Windows 7 Pro 64Bit, MOTU UltraLite MK3, 150 GB HDD, 250 GB HDD, 1 TB HDD 7200 rpm, My Music Production: Top 40, Contemporary Christian, Pop/Rock, Decent Rap, Inspirationals, and Children Songs

Feb 9, 2007, 09:20 PM	#32
Max M. h/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,606 Rep Power: 66	kX's speaker test depends on DirectSound no longer present in Vista (hense the test does not work there). Same for ASIO (it is also uses some intefaces no longer being in MSV) > i have set as 4.1 don't know if is ok for gaming or not, Whatever setting that suites your own ears is OK (isn't it?)

Feb 14, 2007, 05:23 PM	#36
Todesengel DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 6 Rep Power: 0	I have the same problem with 5.1 But my problem is that Windows Vista does not allows me to turn the speakers to 5.1 so that games like CS:S also does not allow me to do this. Now I have to play in stereo I hope the next release will come soon I my case I can upmix, but it seems that I cannot get real surround-support by OS

Feb 14, 2007, 06:31 PM	#38
Max M. h/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,606 Rep Power: 66	>The kX driver (for my Audigy 2 ZS) for some reason won't upmix that's definitely strange - kX's upmixing capability is not OS dependend (it will work even in DOS :) - so just make sure you're doing everything right (e.g. in kxmixer, set the number of speakers to desired value, turn on surround mode ("on/copy") and ensure you're using "kX Wave ... 0/1" as your output device)

Feb 14, 2007, 07:04 PM	#39
Todesengel DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 6 Rep Power: 0	yes, very strang, I also have the AUDIGY 2 ZS

Feb 14, 2007, 07:43 PM	#40
Todesengel DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 6 Rep Power: 0	look here: http://www.hardwareheaven.com/general-...-surround.html

Feb 17, 2007, 02:52 PM	#41
Devil May Cry DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 14 Rep Power: 0	A sometime later sound goes like a test signal with a restart it comes again. 3538j also has same bug on sb0220

Feb 18, 2007, 04:30 PM	#43
Max M. h/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,606 Rep Power: 66	mige_serbia you already have your answer here: http://www.hardwareheaven.com/general-...-problems.html

Mar 8, 2007, 09:40 PM	#49
smyle DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 13 Rep Power: 0	Hi! I tried that DSP settings, I always hear my microphone voice back from left side, and I hear tv tuner sound from the right side. I cant set volume from tv tuner app dscaler and microphone dont works in teamspeak now.

Mar 9, 2007, 07:32 PM	#54
thomasabarnes Long Time ***** Friend Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: USA Posts: 1,373 Rep Power: 58 System Specs	Good. __________________ May a song always touch you in a positive way. Sonar 8.5.3 PE, Windows 7 Pro 64Bit, MOTU UltraLite MK3, 150 GB HDD, 250 GB HDD, 1 TB HDD 7200 rpm, My Music Production: Top 40, Contemporary Christian, Pop/Rock, Decent Rap, Inspirationals, and Children Songs

Mar 11, 2007, 12:26 AM	#55
nakamichi HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 122 Rep Power: 0	Just 2 things: Is the 'Mic' input jack at the back of an Audigy2 (SB0240) card mono-only? If I plug a stereo mic into that input,I just get a dual mono signal of the left channel. Also,are the UDA outputs (of the ProFX ADC plugin) actually working with the SB0240 card? I can't get any output out of those 2 UDA pins.I also can't get the second VU meter in the ADC plugin to show any signal. I want to record in 24/96 (p16v) mode with this card (from line-in) using the _UDA_ codec. Does the AC97I2S switch actually work with SB0240 cards? I'm using the latest 3538m drivers. Last edited by nakamichi; Mar 15, 2007 at 11:38 PM.

Mar 11, 2007, 04:57 AM	#57
JGSF HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 452 Rep Power: 0	You can try and make a little adapter for the analog CD in (aux), you will get stereo ac97 input that way, i think... correct me if I'm wrong.

Mar 11, 2007, 12:02 PM	#58
nakamichi HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 122 Rep Power: 0	1. 'Line In' is stereo and works well,I was asking about the 'Mic In' input (not that I will use this low-quality input for recording,but it's useful for apps like VoIP).I assumed it was mono,just needed confirmation. 2. Is it possible to make an adapter for the 'CD SPDIF' input on this card to accept coaxial or optical input? 3. I don't know what's the problem,but it seems the UDA doesn't work.I'll post some screenshots of the current settings. Last edited by nakamichi; Mar 15, 2007 at 11:57 PM.

Mar 11, 2007, 01:24 PM	#59
nakamichi HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 122 Rep Power: 0	Here's some screenshots of this setup: 3538m drivers installed on this machine (XPSP2,SB0240) - when Wave HQ is selected as a default playback device,everything on this page is grayed out: Screenshot 1 Default playback and recording prefs (Windows Audio Settings): Screenshot 2 Default Voice Prefs (Windows Voice settings): Screenshot 3 kX Mixer Settings 1: Screenshot 4 kX Mixer settings 2: Screenshot 5 24/96 Router: Screenshot 6 ProFX AC97 Line In (works): Screenshot 7 ProFX AC97 + UDA Line In (UDA not working): Screenshot 8 Can someone post an example screenshot on how to configure the ProFX ADC plugin to record from Line In (UDA only)? Last edited by nakamichi; Mar 15, 2007 at 11:56 PM.

Mar 13, 2007, 11:04 PM	#60
Mr Brownstone DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 4 Rep Power: 0	Ok, hi I posted this on bugs thread but was suggested to post it here... Ok... sorry about the noob bash in advance... I got a E-Machines E4076 tower with a ATI X300 graphics card installed including my beloved Creative 5.1 Live! sound card. I have windows vista Business installed. At first I tried the NGO drivers. They worked but only gave me 2.1, I was told to try the KX drivers. And they are amazing. I get all 5.1 working fine on vista. woop ... But! It is really temperamental! It seems to be if I leave the computer without playing any sounds, the driver will stop working and I will get no output. Also if I play music and close it and start a game the sound card will die. I have to have music CONSTANTLY playing for the sound card not to die on me. The only way I have been able to get them to work again is to Hibernate the computer or restart. (Which takes bloody ages!) I am currently using the Beta at the moment (Version: 5, 10, 00, 3538 - debug) Ideas?