Trying to get this old card to work...

Russ · Feb 25, 2007, 10:25 PM

Did you look at the ther files in Notepad?
I would think that you would need to use Hex Editor.

shivansps · Feb 25, 2007, 10:38 PM

Yeah i know, well, is corrupted...

Look the mine, compared to a SB0090...

http://i9.tinypic.com/2rx7fwz.jpg

Anyway, i will try again, several times, i will change the LPT port confing in my bios to see if that is the problem...

shivansps · Feb 25, 2007, 11:03 PM

ok, for some reason now all dumps that i made are empy, it seems that dumping the file clear the EEPROM, or something happen.

Anyway, but the info is not just the same showed in WPCREDIT? i can just make a new one or edit the corrupted one using the WPCREDIT info from a working CT4832?

If someone have a CT4832 please upload a screen from the initial screen of WPCREDIT
after you have selected the Audio controler...

EDIT: since the EEPROM is clear, i will try to writte the EEPROM using one of the audigy bins, and them dump it, just to check if working right.

Russ · Feb 25, 2007, 11:13 PM

That is not corrupted... It looks like a straight dump to me (not the same format as the .bin files, but a straight dump). You would need to change the 4th byte from 00 to 04. Did you not look at the page from the other link?
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shivansps · Feb 25, 2007, 11:40 PM

Hell, is not work anymore :S, i no idea of why, is was working the first time, but sence then, all other dumps that i try where empy and it now is not working, it say error writting!...

mm i will have to try in other pc, this is no sence...

Well i not looked at that page before... but that page shows the same eeprom reading, except from that byte... so they where not corrupted after all...

anyway, the chip is damaged or something, i have yet to try on other pc, but i have no idea of what happen to it... i was working, (Unless changing the LTP port confing may damage it).

EDIT: Hey, hold a moment, that page says that older RTL8029 cards also have an 93c46? i have about 2 or more of those lan the cards... i will check...

Tril · Feb 26, 2007, 02:45 AM

I have a CT4832 but I don't think it's exactly the same model as you. He's a screenshot.

http://pages.globetrotter.net/samaus...ots/CT4832.jpg

XVI32 is a freeware hex editor that I use.

Russ · Feb 26, 2007, 02:55 AM

Any luck?

I do not know if you have a local electronics stores that would carry that EEPROM, but it seems to be a very inexpensive part (i.e. this place lists it for $0.29).

shivansps · Feb 26, 2007, 03:12 AM

I live in Argentina i no idea if i can get that eempron, but i will see if i can find one in stores, but i still have no idea of what could damage it... it work the first time when i make the dump... but even if didt work, i still can buy one or get one from one of my RTL8029AS xD...

You have any idea of what do changing the LPT mode to anything else than SPP? that could have damage the EEPROM?

Russ · Feb 26, 2007, 03:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shivansps

You have any idea of what do changing the LPT mode to anything else than SPP? that could have damage the EEPROM?

I have no idea, I do not know enough about it, but if you left it connected when making the change/rebooting the computer, I would guess that is what killed it.

shivansps · Feb 26, 2007, 04:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ

I have no idea, I do not know enough about it, but if you left it connected when making the change/rebooting the computer, I would guess that is what killed it.

Hell, it where plugged in when i go to the bios to change the LPT config... after all the work to perfectly remove the EEPROM and soldier the wires...

Well, anyway, if the RTL8029x have the same chip, i have two of them, just when i find the cards in that pile of old hard hahah... well it have to wait, i have things to do... but in that page you have posted have an utility to reprogram the EEPROM directly in the RTL card, so i dont need to use the LPT again... lucky for me, the copy of my original EEPROM is OK, I just fixed the incorrect byte...

http://i16.tinypic.com/4hxehqt.jpg

Thanks for you help. all of yours, i will get another EEPROM from one of the RTL cards to try to fix the SB Live... I think i can have time to do so this weekend, until them :P

Russ · Feb 26, 2007, 04:49 AM

Yeah, I would guess that is what did it. You need to be careful with such things (lucky you do not fry something on your motherboard). If you do a quick search about interfacing with the parallel port, you might find info similair to the following:

Quote:

Notes on parallel port operation during computer boot-up

The parallel port operation when the computer boots up can vary somewhat between different computers. I don't know that that the exact operation of paralel port durign boot-up would be standardized anywhere.
In simplest case the parallel port data pins state mght be random in the beginning, and quicly set to all at logic 0 state. That's how things worked on old PCs usually. Some new PCs runnign modern Winodws versions seem to leave the parallel port pins all logic 1 (+3..5V). On some computers the pin states can change few times during the boot process, meaning if you have connected LEDs to parallel port pins you can see them flashing. For example many laptop computers like to send boot time diagnosing codes to the parallel port data pins. During the boot process the code sent to pralel port can change several times. Generally you can't count on the state what the parallel port pins have until you write a defined state to them.
When controlling some electronics with PC parallel port the best idea is the following sequence:

1. Make sure the devices you plan to control are not powered up (so it does not matterif PC data pins change state).
2. Boot-up the PC normally
3. Start your controlling software (this sets parallel port to right state)
4. Power-up the device you plan to control

In this way the device will not get any control signal you did not design it to get, no matter what happens during power-up.

In your case, you have no on/off switch, so I guess it would be best to only connect when you are ready to read/write.

Good luck

Let us know how you make out.

shivansps · Feb 26, 2007, 08:15 PM

Well this was unexpected... the EEPROM wast dead after all, in other pc i was able to re-program it.. so im now trying to re-soldier back intro the card...

Russ · Feb 26, 2007, 08:33 PM

I will keep my fingers crossed for ya

[COLOR=Gray](I hope this does not mean that something died in the first PC)[/COLOR]

shivansps · Feb 26, 2007, 09:02 PM

And it works! yeah, the card started to work as soon windows installs its drivers for the SB Live... and how is detected as a Multimedia device...

As for something fry in the first pc... well, the worst thing that may happen is to fry the I/O chip on the motherboard, but the PS/2s and the floppy still works so i didt matter...

So, well thanks for everyhting i moving to install the KX drivers right now...

But it now apear as CT4670 Value... im not sure of why, i may use the wrong file in the disk i have one file from the other site, the Live! to Live 5.1 site... well wharever, is working now at least... but what model is CT4670?

Russ · Feb 26, 2007, 09:48 PM

I am glad that it worked for you

Quote:

Originally Posted by shivansps

But it now apear as CT4670 Value... im not sure of why, i may use the wrong file in the disk i have one file from the other site, the Live! to Live 5.1 site... well wharever, is working now at least... but what model is CT4670?

Oops, hehe.

A CT4670 is a Sound Blaster Live! Value PCI (according to the Creative Labs web site), and according to the Live! to Live 5.1 site, it has a Subsystem ID of 0020.

shivansps · Feb 26, 2007, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ

I am glad that it worked for you

Oops, hehe.

A CT4670 is a Sound Blaster Live! Value PCI (according to the Creative Labs web site), and according to the Live! to Live 5.1 site, it has a Subsystem ID of 0020.

thats OK, is a SB Live Value... but... no know... I very sure that i used my own EEPROM with the byte modified... bah anyway... it does not matter... is working and is much better than onboard AC97...

Russ · Feb 26, 2007, 10:38 PM

Out of curiosity, what does WPCREDIT show for the Subsystem ID now?

shivansps · Feb 26, 2007, 10:43 PM

0020

Russ · Feb 26, 2007, 11:18 PM

So that would explain why it thinks it is a CT4670. The picture you posted of your corrected dump, showed 8027 (as far as I can tell from the info available), so I guess you accidentally used the wrong file, as you suspected.

In any case, maybe it will not make any difference, as it seems to be working OK for you, and if you find something does not work (that is not software related), you can always try again

.

BTW: Thanks for sharing the step-by-step process you went through, it was interesting, and maybe it will help someone else with a similair problem.

shivansps · Feb 26, 2007, 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ

So that would explain why it thinks it is a CT4670. The picture you posted of your corrected dump, showed 8027 (as far as I can tell from the info available), so I guess you accidentally used the wrong file, as you suspected.

In any case, maybe it will not make any difference, as it seems to be working OK for you, and if you find something does not work (that is not software related), you can always try again

.

haha, no way xD...

And if i wish i could change the driver to the CT4832 one manually, but nah... is working fine.

JGSF · Feb 27, 2007, 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shivansps

And it works! yeah, the card started to work as soon windows installs its drivers for the SB Live... and how is detected as a Multimedia device...

As for something fry in the first pc... well, the worst thing that may happen is to fry the I/O chip on the motherboard, but the PS/2s and the floppy still works so i didt matter...

So, well thanks for everyhting i moving to install the KX drivers right now...

But it now apear as CT4670 Value... im not sure of why, i may use the wrong file in the disk i have one file from the other site, the Live! to Live 5.1 site... well wharever, is working now at least... but what model is CT4670?

Congratulations!

Feb 25, 2007, 11:40 PM	Thread Starter #35
shivansps DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 23 Rep Power: 0	Hell, is not work anymore :S, i no idea of why, is was working the first time, but sence then, all other dumps that i try where empy and it now is not working, it say error writting!... mm i will have to try in other pc, this is no sence... Well i not looked at that page before... but that page shows the same eeprom reading, except from that byte... so they where not corrupted after all... anyway, the chip is damaged or something, i have yet to try on other pc, but i have no idea of what happen to it... i was working, (Unless changing the LTP port confing may damage it). EDIT: Hey, hold a moment, that page says that older RTL8029 cards also have an 93c46? i have about 2 or more of those lan the cards... i will check... Last edited by shivansps; Feb 25, 2007 at 11:57 PM.

Feb 26, 2007, 09:02 PM	Thread Starter #44
shivansps DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 23 Rep Power: 0	And it works! yeah, the card started to work as soon windows installs its drivers for the SB Live... and how is detected as a Multimedia device... As for something fry in the first pc... well, the worst thing that may happen is to fry the I/O chip on the motherboard, but the PS/2s and the floppy still works so i didt matter... So, well thanks for everyhting i moving to install the KX drivers right now... But it now apear as CT4670 Value... im not sure of why, i may use the wrong file in the disk i have one file from the other site, the Live! to Live 5.1 site... well wharever, is working now at least... but what model is CT4670? Last edited by shivansps; Feb 26, 2007 at 09:26 PM.

Feb 26, 2007, 11:18 PM	#49
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,563 Rep Power: 62	So that would explain why it thinks it is a CT4670. The picture you posted of your corrected dump, showed 8027 (as far as I can tell from the info available), so I guess you accidentally used the wrong file, as you suspected. In any case, maybe it will not make any difference, as it seems to be working OK for you, and if you find something does not work (that is not software related), you can always try again . BTW: Thanks for sharing the step-by-step process you went through, it was interesting, and maybe it will help someone else with a similair problem. Last edited by Russ; Feb 26, 2007 at 11:25 PM.

Feb 25, 2007, 10:25 PM	#31
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,563 Rep Power: 62	Did you look at the ther files in Notepad? I would think that you would need to use Hex Editor.

Feb 25, 2007, 10:38 PM	Thread Starter #32
shivansps DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 23 Rep Power: 0	Yeah i know, well, is corrupted... Look the mine, compared to a SB0090... http://i9.tinypic.com/2rx7fwz.jpg Anyway, i will try again, several times, i will change the LPT port confing in my bios to see if that is the problem...

Feb 25, 2007, 11:03 PM	Thread Starter #33
shivansps DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 23 Rep Power: 0	ok, for some reason now all dumps that i made are empy, it seems that dumping the file clear the EEPROM, or something happen. Anyway, but the info is not just the same showed in WPCREDIT? i can just make a new one or edit the corrupted one using the WPCREDIT info from a working CT4832? If someone have a CT4832 please upload a screen from the initial screen of WPCREDIT after you have selected the Audio controler... EDIT: since the EEPROM is clear, i will try to writte the EEPROM using one of the audigy bins, and them dump it, just to check if working right.

Feb 25, 2007, 11:13 PM	#34
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,563 Rep Power: 62	That is not corrupted... It looks like a straight dump to me (not the same format as the .bin files, but a straight dump). You would need to change the 4th byte from 00 to 04. Did you not look at the page from the other link? Live! to Live! 5.1 Hardware Upgrade

Feb 26, 2007, 02:45 AM	#36
Tril S-3D enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,676 Rep Power: 64 System Specs	I have a CT4832 but I don't think it's exactly the same model as you. He's a screenshot. http://pages.globetrotter.net/samaus...ots/CT4832.jpg XVI32 is a freeware hex editor that I use.

Feb 26, 2007, 02:55 AM	#37
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,563 Rep Power: 62	Any luck? I do not know if you have a local electronics stores that would carry that EEPROM, but it seems to be a very inexpensive part (i.e. this place lists it for $0.29).

Feb 26, 2007, 03:12 AM	Thread Starter #38
shivansps DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 23 Rep Power: 0	I live in Argentina i no idea if i can get that eempron, but i will see if i can find one in stores, but i still have no idea of what could damage it... it work the first time when i make the dump... but even if didt work, i still can buy one or get one from one of my RTL8029AS xD... You have any idea of what do changing the LPT mode to anything else than SPP? that could have damage the EEPROM?

Feb 26, 2007, 08:15 PM	Thread Starter #42
shivansps DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 23 Rep Power: 0	Well this was unexpected... the EEPROM wast dead after all, in other pc i was able to re-program it.. so im now trying to re-soldier back intro the card...

Feb 26, 2007, 08:33 PM	#43
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,563 Rep Power: 62	I will keep my fingers crossed for ya [COLOR=Gray](I hope this does not mean that something died in the first PC)[/COLOR]

Feb 26, 2007, 10:38 PM	#47
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,563 Rep Power: 62	Out of curiosity, what does WPCREDIT show for the Subsystem ID now?

Feb 26, 2007, 10:43 PM	Thread Starter #48
shivansps DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 23 Rep Power: 0	0020