Using KX drivers on the EMU APS. Small problem

proto39 · Mar 26, 2003, 09:24 PM

Hi,

The KXProject looks like it went through a lot in the last year and a half! I remember when Hanz (from the EIP homepage) asked me to try out some things on my APS a long time ago.

Anyway, the drivers look great! It has a nice interface and it's very flexible, but alas there is an issue that I'm unsure if it can be solved by a small tweak. I notice that when I use the original EMU drivers, the APS sounds about a good 6db higher than the KX drivers. Is there something that I can do on my end to make the Main Outs have a higher output? The KXMixer has the Main Output pair all the way up, and it's still quite a big lower than the original EMU APS drivers.

To everyone that has/is helping on this project: Thanks!

-=proto=-

Daniel Drummond · Mar 26, 2003, 09:36 PM

You could use the gain plugin to get the same level of sound but you'd loose quality. I've read in another thread that by default Creative and E-mu drivers use this trick: more gain, less quality.

Max M. · Mar 26, 2003, 10:34 PM

btw. proto39, what OS are you under?

proto39 · Mar 27, 2003, 04:51 AM

I'm running Windows 98 Se

proto39 · Mar 27, 2003, 01:05 PM

BTW, the version of the KXdrive I'm using is the last stable version. I couldn't find a Gain Plugin anywhere in the DSP area. Is the Gain plugin only in the beta version?

Is there somewhere where I can look up information on why the level is low, and what kind of noisefloor exists with the Gain plugin in use? I'm interested if the EMU APS really did put Gain at the Analog Outputs, to have a little background on the quality of my softsynths using the driver. (maybe a previous thread?)

-=proto=-

Max M. · Mar 27, 2003, 01:36 PM

>I'm running Windows 98 Se

Than that "-6dB" thingy is caused by known (and very annoing) kX vs. 9x issue also known as "Not working Wave/PCM Volume"...
For some reason only level of "Wave8/9" port can be controlled, and other wave ports
(0/1 etc.) are set by Windows to its default "-6dB"...

So one solution is to use one of the gain plugins included and another (i mentioned this way many times earlier) one is to set fxbuses 0/1 as destination for Wave8/9 via kX Router and use Wave8/9 as default port...

proto39 · Mar 27, 2003, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Max M.
>I'm running Windows 98 Se

Than that "-6dB" thingy is caused by known (and very annoing) kX vs. 9x issue also known

So one solution is to use one of the gain plugins included and another (i mentioned this way many times earlier) one is to set fxbuses 0/1 as destination for Wave8/9 via kX Router and use Wave8/9 as default port...

Thanks for the answer

Oh, now I see. I'm currently using Sonar 2.2 with WDM on the machine in question, will switching the port to 8/9 affect the latency?

The Gain Plugin is not found in the last stable version from what I see... Is it included only with the beta version?

-=proto=-

Mar 26, 2003, 09:24 PM	#1
proto39 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5 Rep Power: 0	Using KX drivers on the EMU APS. Small problem Hi, The KXProject looks like it went through a lot in the last year and a half! I remember when Hanz (from the EIP homepage) asked me to try out some things on my APS a long time ago. Anyway, the drivers look great! It has a nice interface and it's very flexible, but alas there is an issue that I'm unsure if it can be solved by a small tweak. I notice that when I use the original EMU drivers, the APS sounds about a good 6db higher than the KX drivers. Is there something that I can do on my end to make the Main Outs have a higher output? The KXMixer has the Main Output pair all the way up, and it's still quite a big lower than the original EMU APS drivers. To everyone that has/is helping on this project: Thanks! -=proto=-

Mar 26, 2003, 09:36 PM	#2
Daniel Drummond DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Brazil Posts: 1,137 Rep Power: 0	You could use the gain plugin to get the same level of sound but you'd loose quality. I've read in another thread that by default Creative and E-mu drivers use this trick: more gain, less quality. __________________ www.palcomp3.com.br/ed

Mar 26, 2003, 10:34 PM	#3
Max M. h/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,639 Rep Power: 69	btw. proto39, what OS are you under? __________________

Mar 27, 2003, 01:36 PM	#6
Max M. h/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,639 Rep Power: 69	>I'm running Windows 98 Se Than that "-6dB" thingy is caused by known (and very annoing) kX vs. 9x issue also known as "Not working Wave/PCM Volume"... For some reason only level of "Wave8/9" port can be controlled, and other wave ports (0/1 etc.) are set by Windows to its default "-6dB"... So one solution is to use one of the gain plugins included and another (i mentioned this way many times earlier) one is to set fxbuses 0/1 as destination for Wave8/9 via kX Router and use Wave8/9 as default port... __________________

Mar 27, 2003, 04:51 AM	Thread Starter #4
proto39 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5 Rep Power: 0	I'm running Windows 98 Se

Mar 27, 2003, 01:05 PM	Thread Starter #5
proto39 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5 Rep Power: 0	BTW, the version of the KXdrive I'm using is the last stable version. I couldn't find a Gain Plugin anywhere in the DSP area. Is the Gain plugin only in the beta version? Is there somewhere where I can look up information on why the level is low, and what kind of noisefloor exists with the Gain plugin in use? I'm interested if the EMU APS really did put Gain at the Analog Outputs, to have a little background on the quality of my softsynths using the driver. (maybe a previous thread?) -=proto=-