Need a "lite" eq

sumpm1 · Mar 14, 2007, 07:37 AM

Hi, my main setup is using MX6, and my new speakers are some bookshelf that use some eq to sound better. The default 10 band eq uses too much aram because after I use ONE 10 band eq and MX6, I have NO registers left. I am using 3538L. Tried using UFX and crashes kxmixer.

Is there a "LITE" equalizer for kx that I can use? I need at least two of them; I want the other to eq the headphone bus. Hopefully one that works with kx 3538M.

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/3905/kxdsp11nq3.png

Max M. · Mar 14, 2007, 11:43 AM

>Tried using UFX and crashes kxmixer.

?!!

edit:
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btw. your screenshot gives me a few tips you could try to save some gprs (a few, but):

a. Use FXBus instead of Src (the whole FXBus uses 0 gprs while each Src uses 2)
b. Why GainHQ between winamp and mx6?
c. Use k1lt instead of Epilog (will save ~17 gprs)
d. Well, consider using a somewhat less compicated mixer instead of MX6
e. Not sure why ufx EQs do not work for you (well, i see you are on Vista - sorry i'm not going to fix any ufx bugs/issues by Vista in next 10 years)
f. What Stereo Mix is doing there?
g. Use PeakX (if it works) instead of Peak (will save 1 gpr per each)

sumpm1 · Mar 15, 2007, 06:10 AM

Okay, UFX wasn't crashing kxmixer. I installed UFX-39-pre and cannot find the effects on the list. I registered them succesfully also and they don't appear.

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/7682/kx000fu7.png

Russ · Mar 15, 2007, 07:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sumpm1

Okay, UFX wasn't crashing kxmixer. I installed UFX-39-pre and cannot find the effects on the list. I registered them succesfully also and they don't appear.

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/7682/kx000fu7.png

I see them in your list... I think that maybe you just do not know what you are looking for.

The following are all UFX plugins:

Crossover-2
Crossover-4
EQ G10
EQ P1
EQ P1 (Mono)
EQ P5
EQ P5 (Mono)
GainX
PeakX
ProPhaser
Reverb R
Sputnik
†remolo
Timbre
Wibrato

-Russ

Max M. · Mar 15, 2007, 01:57 PM

and by the way, i see "3 Band EQ" in the menu - consider to use that one
(3 Band EQ eats ~36 gprs while ufx's EQP5 devours ~45)

Lex Nahumury · Mar 15, 2007, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Max M.

a. Use FXBus instead of Src (the whole FXBus uses 0 gprs while each Src uses 2)

IIRC, FXBus uses 16 gprs.
Don't you mean; FXBus uses 0 instructions, while SRC uses 2 instructions?

/Lex.

Max M. · Mar 15, 2007, 04:07 PM

>IIRC, FXBus uses 16 gprs.

nop, it uses 0 gprs. It does use 16 registers but these registers are not gprs
("fxbus" register is not gpr, it is build-in 'hardware register' - just like all those KX_IN()/KX_OUT() goodies, (and what you see in 'FXBus' dump is not its real source code))
In other words, "FXBus" module uses no DSP resources at all (no gprs, no instructions) - i think we could rename it to 'srclt'

sumpm1 · Mar 15, 2007, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Max M.

and by the way, i see "3 Band EQ" in the menu - consider to use that one
(3 Band EQ eats ~36 gprs while ufx's EQP5 devours ~45)

Well, I didn't realize that I had EQP and EQP1. .. And the "3 Band EQ" was the damn plugin COMPLETELY crashing kxmixer, forcing Windows restart. I don't think it's compatable with 3835M.

I will try using at least 2 EQP5 or a P1 in its place. Sorry didn't know wich FX were yours Max, I don't find much on "UFX" on Yahoo search, and this board does not allow search of such a short string "UFX."

Lex Nahumury · Mar 15, 2007, 04:28 PM

>>"fxbus" register is not gpr, it is build-in 'hardware register' - just like all those >>KX_IN()/KX_OUT() goodies)
Yep, you are correct.
But why does gpr count (in DSP window: i.e 16/256) displays that usage?

Max M. · Mar 15, 2007, 04:40 PM

you know, kx's resource counter is pretty weak - it counts registers of any kind
(e.g. it counts inputs, constants, i/o registers etc. as if they were 'gprs')
That's why typically we can see "GPRs: 299/256" bogus in kx's resource meter.

(note amusing detail: in plug-in "Info" it shows 'Registers:" not "GPRs:"

)

sumpm1 · Mar 15, 2007, 04:49 PM

Alright, I replaced a single GP10 with three EQP1's and have lowered my GPR usage considerably, I could even go to MX8 if I need to now. The P1's are definately "lite."

Thanks

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/1143/kx004ae0.png

Lex Nahumury · Mar 15, 2007, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Max M.

you know, kx's resource counter is pretty weak - it counts registers of any kind
(e.g. it counts inputs, constants, i/o registers etc. as if they were 'gprs')
That's why typically we can see "GPRs: 299/256" bogus in kx's resource meter.

(note amusing detail: in plug-in "Info" it shows 'Registers:" not "GPRs:"

)

LoL!
Anyway, hmm i guess i'll kick fxbus support from src or kick src entirely
,.. oh what the heck, why bother at all

.

Max M. · Mar 15, 2007, 05:16 PM

>or kick src entirely

oh, oh! no so fast!

1. Srcs still beat Prolog for resources 2. Many people prefer Src to FXBus for usability reasons...

>oh what the heck, why bother at all

Russ · Mar 15, 2007, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sumpm1

Well, I didn't realize that I had EQP and EQP1. .. And the "3 Band EQ" was the damn plugin COMPLETELY crashing kxmixer, forcing Windows restart. I don't think it's compatable with 3835M.

I am sorry to hear that the '3 Band EQ' is giving you trouble. If you are using Vista, then I would guess that it has something to do with that, since it has not given me any trouble (I do not have Vista, so I have no way of testing it with that).

Lex Nahumury · Mar 15, 2007, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Max M.

>oh what the heck, why bother at all

Lex Nahumury · Mar 15, 2007, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ

I am sorry to hear that the '3 Band EQ' is giving you trouble. If you are using Vista, then I would guess that it has something to do with that, since it has not given me any trouble (I do not have Vista, so I have no way of testing it with that).

So, judging from this thread, do both UFX and ProFX work OK under Vista?

sumpm1 · Mar 16, 2007, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lex Nahumury

So, judging from this thread, do both UFX and ProFX work OK under Vista?

Just so you guys know, I am using XP. I don't know why "3 band eq" is not working, and I also didn't know that you were the developer Russ. EQP1 totally fits my needs though, a very nice little parametric.

Lex Nahumury · Mar 16, 2007, 11:52 AM

ah Ok, sry I thought I read somewhere in this thread that you were running Vista.
(just curious if I have to fix ProFx for Vista which I probably won't)

Max M. · Mar 16, 2007, 03:13 PM

>Just so you guys know, I am using XP.

[color=gray]interesting, so you probably use some skinning menager that makes your XP to look like Vista, do you?

[/color]

Russ · Mar 17, 2007, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sumpm1

Just so you guys know, I am using XP. I don't know why "3 band eq" is not working, and I also didn't know that you were the developer Russ. EQP1 totally fits my needs though, a very nice little parametric.

Thaks ok. I think you probably just have the wrong version of the '3 Band EQ' installed. I recall there being an issue between 3538j and 3538k, where the (3538j) plugins would register succesfully, but would not work (in 3538k, would cause crashes). I guess that you either did not do a clean install when upgrading from 3538j, or you downloaded the wrong version. Make sure that you use the 3538k version for kX versions 3538k/l/m.

Lex Nahumury · Mar 17, 2007, 07:41 PM

russ, perhaps its best to make the 'j/k/l/m/ bleus' a bit more clear on your site
since it's not obvious what to pick.

[COLOR="Gray"](I more or less did the same)[/COLOR]

Russ · Mar 17, 2007, 07:54 PM

I was thinking the same thing...

I wonder if 3538m plugins are backwards compatible with k/l, they should be right?

Lex Nahumury · Mar 17, 2007, 08:18 PM

If they use kxgui or otherwise rely on actual SDK changes, I would say no or else have no idea.
As discussed before, my stuff doesn't use kxgui so it works on all 3538 releases.
Same with pre-3538 releases.

Russ · Mar 17, 2007, 08:25 PM

3538k plugins (with KXGUI) are compatible with 3538l/3538m, so I was thinking that the reverse should also be true, but I am not sure.

Lex Nahumury · Mar 17, 2007, 09:31 PM

yeah, on second thought, I'm not 100% sure either wether my latest 38 compiled stuff
is compatible with a....k.
There have been so many 38 releases that I have lost track of the programming related changes.
Best to leave the 38 era behind us ASAP, move on to 39 and simply not support 38a...m
any longer.

Russ · Mar 17, 2007, 10:00 PM

Yeah, I was wondering about that as I have no way of knowing if the compatibility differences between 3538 versions are due to changes in KXGUI, KXAPI, or some other part of kX, etc.

Lets hope that all the current issues (at least the bigger one's) are resolved in 3539, so that everyone (well, everyone except Win98SE/ME users) will upgrade, as there always seems to be some reason for someone to not upgrade to the latest version.

Lex Nahumury · Mar 17, 2007, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Yeah, I was wondering about that as I have no way of knowing if the compatibility differences between 3538 versions are due to changes in KXGUI, KXAPI, or some core part of kX, etc.

Yep i understand.
I used to know those differences but I lost track, forgot them and frankly, I don't find it interresting enough to look them up.

Quote:

as there always seems to be some reason for someone to not upgrade to the latest version.

Which (with just a few exceptions) is a weird phenomena on itself.
I don't 'buy' 90% of those user reasons to do so. (most is just ignorance)
IMO there are just 2 'milestone' driver releases. 34 and latest 38 development.
Everything in between seems more like an 'excersise'.

Best to drop <39 support if 39 comes ..someday

[COLOR="Silver"](On the other hand, why bother if the 'hurd' has moved on to Vista by then)[/COLOR]

Mar 14, 2007, 07:37 AM	#1
sumpm1 DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 50 Rep Power: 0	Need a "lite" eq Hi, my main setup is using MX6, and my new speakers are some bookshelf that use some eq to sound better. The default 10 band eq uses too much aram because after I use ONE 10 band eq and MX6, I have NO registers left. I am using 3538L. Tried using UFX and crashes kxmixer. Is there a "LITE" equalizer for kx that I can use? I need at least two of them; I want the other to eq the headphone bus. Hopefully one that works with kx 3538M. http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/3905/kxdsp11nq3.png

Mar 14, 2007, 11:43 AM	#2
Max M. h/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,639 Rep Power: 69	>Tried using UFX and crashes kxmixer. ?!! edit: -------- btw. your screenshot gives me a few tips you could try to save some gprs (a few, but): a. Use FXBus instead of Src (the whole FXBus uses 0 gprs while each Src uses 2) b. Why GainHQ between winamp and mx6? c. Use k1lt instead of Epilog (will save ~17 gprs) d. Well, consider using a somewhat less compicated mixer instead of MX6 e. Not sure why ufx EQs do not work for you (well, i see you are on Vista - sorry i'm not going to fix any ufx bugs/issues by Vista in next 10 years) f. What Stereo Mix is doing there? g. Use PeakX (if it works) instead of Peak (will save 1 gpr per each) Last edited by Max M.; Mar 15, 2007 at 01:34 PM.

Mar 15, 2007, 04:07 PM	#7
Max M. h/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,639 Rep Power: 69	>IIRC, FXBus uses 16 gprs. nop, it uses 0 gprs. It does use 16 registers but these registers are not gprs ("fxbus" register is not gpr, it is build-in 'hardware register' - just like all those KX_IN()/KX_OUT() goodies, (and what you see in 'FXBus' dump is not its real source code)) In other words, "FXBus" module uses no DSP resources at all (no gprs, no instructions) - i think we could rename it to 'srclt' Last edited by Max M.; Mar 15, 2007 at 04:26 PM.

Mar 15, 2007, 04:40 PM	#10
Max M. h/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,639 Rep Power: 69	you know, kx's resource counter is pretty weak - it counts registers of any kind (e.g. it counts inputs, constants, i/o registers etc. as if they were 'gprs') That's why typically we can see "GPRs: 299/256" bogus in kx's resource meter. (note amusing detail: in plug-in "Info" it shows 'Registers:" not "GPRs:" ) Last edited by Max M.; Mar 15, 2007 at 04:47 PM.

Mar 15, 2007, 05:16 PM	#13
Max M. h/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,639 Rep Power: 69	>or kick src entirely oh, oh! no so fast! 1. Srcs still beat Prolog for resources 2. Many people prefer Src to FXBus for usability reasons... >oh what the heck, why bother at all Last edited by Max M.; Mar 15, 2007 at 05:31 PM.

Mar 15, 2007, 06:10 AM	Thread Starter #3
sumpm1 DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 50 Rep Power: 0	Okay, UFX wasn't crashing kxmixer. I installed UFX-39-pre and cannot find the effects on the list. I registered them succesfully also and they don't appear. http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/7682/kx000fu7.png

Mar 15, 2007, 01:57 PM	#5
Max M. h/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,639 Rep Power: 69	and by the way, i see "3 Band EQ" in the menu - consider to use that one (3 Band EQ eats ~36 gprs while ufx's EQP5 devours ~45)

Mar 15, 2007, 04:28 PM	#9
Lex Nahumury DH Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,932 Rep Power: 64	>>"fxbus" register is not gpr, it is build-in 'hardware register' - just like all those >>KX_IN()/KX_OUT() goodies) Yep, you are correct. But why does gpr count (in DSP window: i.e 16/256) displays that usage?

Mar 15, 2007, 04:49 PM	Thread Starter #11
sumpm1 DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 50 Rep Power: 0	Alright, I replaced a single GP10 with three EQP1's and have lowered my GPR usage considerably, I could even go to MX8 if I need to now. The P1's are definately "lite." Thanks http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/1143/kx004ae0.png

Mar 16, 2007, 11:52 AM	#18
Lex Nahumury DH Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,932 Rep Power: 64	ah Ok, sry I thought I read somewhere in this thread that you were running Vista. (just curious if I have to fix ProFx for Vista which I probably won't)

Mar 16, 2007, 03:13 PM	#19
Max M. h/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,639 Rep Power: 69	>Just so you guys know, I am using XP. [color=gray]interesting, so you probably use some skinning menager that makes your XP to look like Vista, do you? [/color]

Mar 17, 2007, 07:41 PM	#21
Lex Nahumury DH Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,932 Rep Power: 64	russ, perhaps its best to make the 'j/k/l/m/ bleus' a bit more clear on your site since it's not obvious what to pick. [COLOR="Gray"](I more or less did the same)[/COLOR]

Mar 17, 2007, 07:54 PM	#22
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,563 Rep Power: 62	I was thinking the same thing... I wonder if 3538m plugins are backwards compatible with k/l, they should be right?

Mar 17, 2007, 08:18 PM	#23
Lex Nahumury DH Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,932 Rep Power: 64	If they use kxgui or otherwise rely on actual SDK changes, I would say no or else have no idea. As discussed before, my stuff doesn't use kxgui so it works on all 3538 releases. Same with pre-3538 releases.

Mar 17, 2007, 08:25 PM	#24
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,563 Rep Power: 62	3538k plugins (with KXGUI) are compatible with 3538l/3538m, so I was thinking that the reverse should also be true, but I am not sure.

Mar 17, 2007, 09:31 PM	#25
Lex Nahumury DH Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,932 Rep Power: 64	yeah, on second thought, I'm not 100% sure either wether my latest 38 compiled stuff is compatible with a....k. There have been so many 38 releases that I have lost track of the programming related changes. Best to leave the 38 era behind us ASAP, move on to 39 and simply not support 38a...m any longer.

Mar 17, 2007, 10:00 PM	#26
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,563 Rep Power: 62	Yeah, I was wondering about that as I have no way of knowing if the compatibility differences between 3538 versions are due to changes in KXGUI, KXAPI, or some other part of kX, etc. Lets hope that all the current issues (at least the bigger one's) are resolved in 3539, so that everyone (well, everyone except Win98SE/ME users) will upgrade, as there always seems to be some reason for someone to not upgrade to the latest version. Last edited by Russ; Mar 17, 2007 at 10:12 PM.