Is it impossible to get sound from rears on Live! Value?

Mastiff · Apr 8, 2003, 10:46 PM

Hi!
I'm trying to get my Live! Value (original four channel card without digital output) to play through the rear channels, but I get nowhere. I have tried the four available routings and can't get anywhere. Has anybody managed to do this, or am I just wasting time? I use the latest drivers, I believe, and I have set surrounder to 5.1 (I also tried 4.1) and surround off, and speakers in Windows Control Panel to 5.1 speakers). Hope somebody can help me, thanks a lot in advance!

Mastiff · Apr 11, 2003, 07:24 AM

You've got to be kidding! Does nobody on this forum know the answer to this?

Max M. · Apr 11, 2003, 09:38 AM

> I have tried the four available routings

Which ones?

Does rear play something when surrounder set to spk:5.1 and sur:On?

And copy here info from "kx->about->sw/hw config"...

Mastiff · Apr 11, 2003, 09:58 AM

First: Thank you very much for answering! I had almost given up, but our large neighbour in the East (my wife's from Kirkenes, just about two hour drive from Murmansk) comes through!

I have not managed to get sound from the rears yet, no. I used the 0/1, the 4/5, the 6/7 and the 8/9, the chip is reported as CT4670, and I have tried two drivers both the Value and the generic.

btw it drives me crazy that kX uses some menues I can't see over Remote Administrator! One of those was the About menu. I see the first image (the logo), but not the menu. Is it possible to turn off that effect anywhere?

Here is the info. I also have an Audigy Platinum EX in the same computer, but that's kept to itself since it seems I can't route only front channels to the SPDIF.
----Hardware / Software configuration---------------
Drivernavn:kX Audio Driver (Debug)
Driver-dato: Mar 27 2003 00:01:41
Driverversjon: 5.10.00.3531 - debug
DB-navn:none
CT4670 10k1 [d400]
PCI Information:
Device: 21102 Subsys: 201102 ChipRev: 4
Card has MPU device
Card HAS AC97 codec
Codec name: TriTech TR28023/CT1297
3D Extension: No 3D Stereo Enhancement
Codec is 1.0 compliant
Capabilities[0] :
DAC resolutions : -16-bit-
ADC resolutions : -16-bit-
Ext Capabilities [0]:
Port: d400 Irq: 7
Playback buffer: 20a0
Record buffer: 4000
Number of AC3 buffers: 8
Tank memory: 256 kb
----------------------------------------------------

And again thanks for answering!

Mastiff · Apr 11, 2003, 04:57 PM

OK, now I'm confused. I did a third restore settings (I've tried that twice before), and suddenly I get all sound out of either front or back outputs (depending on if I use switch back and front or not). I tried playing around with the router but that did not seem to change anything. What should be the correct settings?

Max M. · Apr 12, 2003, 01:53 AM

>What should be the correct settings? - this depends on what you mean with "correct"...

Mastiff · Apr 12, 2003, 07:11 AM

The settings that lets me use it as a two zone card in my multi-zone system!

Mastiff · Apr 13, 2003, 07:35 PM

I've even tried to put the card in another computer (same motherboard - MSI KT4 Ultra) but with Win2K instead of XP Pro, and I got the same problem. No sound on the speaker pair that isn't the "main" (depending on if I switch front and back) and sound from all wave devices on the main speakers.

Max M. · Apr 13, 2003, 07:44 PM

>and sound from all wave devices on the main speakers. - btw. this is default settings of "surrounder"... i hope you did not forget to configure it for your speakers before this test

Mastiff · Apr 13, 2003, 08:10 PM

Like I said in the first post, 5.1 or 4.1 (tried both at both times) with surround off. That should be the correct settings there, I belive. Or am I wrong?

xxxp · Apr 15, 2003, 10:54 PM

I have sillilar prblem with KX. On SB Live drivers there works fine 4 speakers, but when instal KX drivers, there works only 2 (could only mark to hear rear or front).
I try all the settings in KX and windows, but nothing is seem to work.
KS >Speaker test ! works ! but when playing sound f.e from winamp,
only 2 speakers are active
I like KX, but if it doesn't support 4 speakers on my SB Live Value..

----Hardware / Software configuration---------------
Driver Name:kX Audio Driver (Debug)
Driver Date: Mar 27 2003 00:01:41
Driver Version: 5.10.00.3531 - debug
DB Name:none
CT4670 10k1 [e800]
PCI Information:
Device: 21102 Subsys: 201102 ChipRev: 5
Card has MPU device
Card HAS AC97 codec
Codec name: SigmaTel STAC9721/23
3D Extension: SigmaTel 3D Enhancement
Codec is 2.0 compliant
Capabilities[6940] :
DAC resolutions : -16-bit- -18-bit-
ADC resolutions : -16-bit- -18-bit-
Ext Capabilities [200]: -slot/DAC mappings-
Port: e800 Irq: 12
Playback buffer: 20a0
Record buffer: 4000
Number of AC3 buffers: 8
Tank memory: 256 kb
----------------------------------------------------
If anyone know how to fix it, i'd be glad

Max M. · Apr 16, 2003, 01:16 AM

>KS >Speaker test ! works ! but when playing sound f.e from winamp, - this is absolutely normal - typically all the files you are listening (mp3/waves/cd) have only two channels: one left and one right... the normal human behaviour is to listen to two channels via two speakers - let's say front... if you want to duplicate front to rear, or create some kind of "virtual 5/4.1" you have to set surrounder to "copy" or "on"

xxxp · Apr 16, 2003, 05:57 PM

Max M. thanks for reply...

There is no deifrence when i set on "copy" or "on" surround.
I have try all the settings in sorruond.
Only 2 speakers are active (2 front or 2 rear, not 4 togheter.. ) and this is problem.
It is anoying to play winamp and only hear sound from 2 speakers

Is it KX drivers or settings bad ? If You know how to fix this, and if it possinle to fix, I would be glad..

Max M. · Apr 18, 2003, 11:46 PM

just check everything once more (it just works) - 1. make sure winamp output is set to kX Wave 0/1 (or its directsound brother - not to Wave 4/5/6/7/8/9). 2. Set surrounder to "SpkMode: 4.1", "Surround:Copy"

xxxp · Apr 19, 2003, 11:21 AM

Thank You very much Max M. I update to 3532 and set 4:1copy and all is fine. Thanks again. KX rox

Max M. · Apr 20, 2003, 12:06 AM

glad to know..

ruirocha · Apr 22, 2003, 01:22 AM

Hi there...
I had the same problem and i fixed it. I went to the router and in the wave tab put all the sliders up. Now i have sound from all speakers.

Apr 8, 2003, 10:46 PM	#1
Mastiff HardwareHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 15 Rep Power: 0	Is it impossible to get sound from rears on Live! Value? Hi! I'm trying to get my Live! Value (original four channel card without digital output) to play through the rear channels, but I get nowhere. I have tried the four available routings and can't get anywhere. Has anybody managed to do this, or am I just wasting time? I use the latest drivers, I believe, and I have set surrounder to 5.1 (I also tried 4.1) and surround off, and speakers in Windows Control Panel to 5.1 speakers). Hope somebody can help me, thanks a lot in advance! __________________ Tor - Managing Director of the Cinema Inferno Home Theater and multi-zone media system

Apr 11, 2003, 07:24 AM	Thread Starter #2
Mastiff HardwareHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 15 Rep Power: 0	You've got to be kidding! Does nobody on this forum know the answer to this? __________________ Tor - Managing Director of the Cinema Inferno Home Theater and multi-zone media system

Apr 11, 2003, 09:38 AM	#3
Max M. h/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,639 Rep Power: 69	> I have tried the four available routings Which ones? Does rear play something when surrounder set to spk:5.1 and sur:On? And copy here info from "kx->about->sw/hw config"... __________________

Apr 11, 2003, 09:58 AM	Thread Starter #4
Mastiff HardwareHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 15 Rep Power: 0	First: Thank you very much for answering! I had almost given up, but our large neighbour in the East (my wife's from Kirkenes, just about two hour drive from Murmansk) comes through! I have not managed to get sound from the rears yet, no. I used the 0/1, the 4/5, the 6/7 and the 8/9, the chip is reported as CT4670, and I have tried two drivers both the Value and the generic. btw it drives me crazy that kX uses some menues I can't see over Remote Administrator! One of those was the About menu. I see the first image (the logo), but not the menu. Is it possible to turn off that effect anywhere? Here is the info. I also have an Audigy Platinum EX in the same computer, but that's kept to itself since it seems I can't route only front channels to the SPDIF. ----Hardware / Software configuration--------------- Drivernavn:kX Audio Driver (Debug) Driver-dato: Mar 27 2003 00:01:41 Driverversjon: 5.10.00.3531 - debug DB-navn:none CT4670 10k1 [d400] PCI Information: Device: 21102 Subsys: 201102 ChipRev: 4 Card has MPU device Card HAS AC97 codec Codec name: TriTech TR28023/CT1297 3D Extension: No 3D Stereo Enhancement Codec is 1.0 compliant Capabilities[0] : DAC resolutions : -16-bit- ADC resolutions : -16-bit- Ext Capabilities [0]: Port: d400 Irq: 7 Playback buffer: 20a0 Record buffer: 4000 Number of AC3 buffers: 8 Tank memory: 256 kb ---------------------------------------------------- And again thanks for answering! __________________ Tor - Managing Director of the Cinema Inferno Home Theater and multi-zone media system

Apr 11, 2003, 04:57 PM	Thread Starter #5
Mastiff HardwareHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 15 Rep Power: 0	OK, now I'm confused. I did a third restore settings (I've tried that twice before), and suddenly I get all sound out of either front or back outputs (depending on if I use switch back and front or not). I tried playing around with the router but that did not seem to change anything. What should be the correct settings? __________________ Tor - Managing Director of the Cinema Inferno Home Theater and multi-zone media system

Apr 12, 2003, 01:53 AM	#6
Max M. h/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,639 Rep Power: 69	>What should be the correct settings? - this depends on what you mean with "correct"... __________________

Apr 12, 2003, 07:11 AM	Thread Starter #7
Mastiff HardwareHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 15 Rep Power: 0	The settings that lets me use it as a two zone card in my multi-zone system! __________________ Tor - Managing Director of the Cinema Inferno Home Theater and multi-zone media system

Apr 13, 2003, 07:35 PM	Thread Starter #8
Mastiff HardwareHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 15 Rep Power: 0	I've even tried to put the card in another computer (same motherboard - MSI KT4 Ultra) but with Win2K instead of XP Pro, and I got the same problem. No sound on the speaker pair that isn't the "main" (depending on if I switch front and back) and sound from all wave devices on the main speakers. __________________ Tor - Managing Director of the Cinema Inferno Home Theater and multi-zone media system

Apr 13, 2003, 07:44 PM	#9
Max M. h/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,639 Rep Power: 69	>and sound from all wave devices on the main speakers. - btw. this is default settings of "surrounder"... i hope you did not forget to configure it for your speakers before this test __________________

Apr 13, 2003, 08:10 PM	Thread Starter #10
Mastiff HardwareHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 15 Rep Power: 0	Like I said in the first post, 5.1 or 4.1 (tried both at both times) with surround off. That should be the correct settings there, I belive. Or am I wrong? __________________ Tor - Managing Director of the Cinema Inferno Home Theater and multi-zone media system

Apr 15, 2003, 10:54 PM	#11
xxxp DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	I have sillilar prblem with KX. On SB Live drivers there works fine 4 speakers, but when instal KX drivers, there works only 2 (could only mark to hear rear or front). I try all the settings in KX and windows, but nothing is seem to work. KS >Speaker test ! works ! but when playing sound f.e from winamp, only 2 speakers are active I like KX, but if it doesn't support 4 speakers on my SB Live Value.. ----Hardware / Software configuration--------------- Driver Name:kX Audio Driver (Debug) Driver Date: Mar 27 2003 00:01:41 Driver Version: 5.10.00.3531 - debug DB Name:none CT4670 10k1 [e800] PCI Information: Device: 21102 Subsys: 201102 ChipRev: 5 Card has MPU device Card HAS AC97 codec Codec name: SigmaTel STAC9721/23 3D Extension: SigmaTel 3D Enhancement Codec is 2.0 compliant Capabilities[6940] : DAC resolutions : -16-bit- -18-bit- ADC resolutions : -16-bit- -18-bit- Ext Capabilities [200]: -slot/DAC mappings- Port: e800 Irq: 12 Playback buffer: 20a0 Record buffer: 4000 Number of AC3 buffers: 8 Tank memory: 256 kb ---------------------------------------------------- If anyone know how to fix it, i'd be glad Last edited by xxxp; Apr 15, 2003 at 11:12 PM.

Apr 16, 2003, 01:16 AM	#12
Max M. h/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,639 Rep Power: 69	>KS >Speaker test ! works ! but when playing sound f.e from winamp, - this is absolutely normal - typically all the files you are listening (mp3/waves/cd) have only two channels: one left and one right... the normal human behaviour is to listen to two channels via two speakers - let's say front... if you want to duplicate front to rear, or create some kind of "virtual 5/4.1" you have to set surrounder to "copy" or "on" __________________

Apr 16, 2003, 05:57 PM	#13
xxxp DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	Max M. thanks for reply... There is no deifrence when i set on "copy" or "on" surround. I have try all the settings in sorruond. Only 2 speakers are active (2 front or 2 rear, not 4 togheter.. ) and this is problem. It is anoying to play winamp and only hear sound from 2 speakers Is it KX drivers or settings bad ? If You know how to fix this, and if it possinle to fix, I would be glad..

Apr 18, 2003, 11:46 PM	#14
Max M. h/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,639 Rep Power: 69	just check everything once more (it just works) - 1. make sure winamp output is set to kX Wave 0/1 (or its directsound brother - not to Wave 4/5/6/7/8/9). 2. Set surrounder to "SpkMode: 4.1", "Surround:Copy" __________________

Apr 19, 2003, 11:21 AM	#15
xxxp DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	Thank You very much Max M. I update to 3532 and set 4:1copy and all is fine. Thanks again. KX rox

Apr 20, 2003, 12:06 AM	#16
Max M. h/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,639 Rep Power: 69	glad to know.. __________________

Apr 22, 2003, 01:22 AM	#17
ruirocha DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 1 Rep Power: 0	Hi there... I had the same problem and i fixed it. I went to the router and in the wave tab put all the sliders up. Now i have sound from all speakers.