Firefox1

A friend of me has a SB Live! Player 5.1 or something used with the newest KX.
He is working with Cubase SX3.

Is it possible - and how would it done - to configure KX (and Cubase) to 6 mono (or 3 stereo) outputs so he would be able to dispence mixer channels in Cubase to different outputs?

That would ease the use of his hardware mixer when he could connect the computer with 6 discrete channels...


It's no problem to set KX to use the front and rear connectors with one (the same) stereo signal.



Thanks for your answers!

JGSF

You can only get 4 mono outputs from a Live card (with no add-ons).

Maddogg6

You need to add hardware that converts SPDIF (Digital) to analog - not all models have the SPDIF out connectors on the card. If it does - heres the pin outs;
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/audio-ge...i-pinouts.html

And there are several Digital to analog convertors - for instance - a home stereo may have a Digital SPDIF input (that could rout that to a TAPE record out/line out) - or maybe if your handy with electronics you could build one / or have one built for you by a friend.

Google results for 'SPDIF to analog converter'.

The first hit - ones made for specifically for something like what you need.

Hope that helps -

PS: Or you could get an Audigy 2ZS from ebay - it has all 6/3 outs - you need - and would;
1) prolly be cheaper
2) offer D/A quality that is better than the SBLive.
3) get more INPUTS too if you get a 'Platinum' model with the LiveBay or Live Drive that sits in a FDD/HDD bay of your PC.
Maybe there are other models too - but I wont say for certain what they have or don't have. Or if there any know bugs - but, the A2ZS - I can say that kX works pretty good with it - cuz, I DO have one. And I use 3 stereo analog outs regularly - (I could use 4 - if I get a special connector)

Russ

We are talking about a 5.1 model, right?
If so, then it should just be a matter of configuring Cubase to output each of the 6 mono channels (or 3 stereo channels) to a different (kX) ASIO channel, and in the kX DSP window, connect those ASIO channels (from FxBus) to the 6 outputs on epilog.

Maddogg6

Dont that model requite one of those back plate expansion deals? - my post was based on that notion.

OP: - do you have the 3 physical analog output jacks labeled:

'Front'
'Rear'
'Center/Subwoofer or LFE'... ??

If so - you in luck and do what Russ said.

Russ

Ahh OK, is there an actual 5.1 model that does not have the 3 analog outputs?

In any case, the user guide for that model (if in fact that is the right model) does say that it has the 3 line level outputs on the rear of the card (analog center/lfe is shared with the digital out (like with most other 5.1 models)).

Maddogg6

heh - I dunno....
there seems to be soooo many models - I posted based on the 1st 2 posts in this thread alone (the OP isn't very clear what/ why hes having problems)
And I know I seen some models with that expansion plate thing, tho I dont know what IO it adds... (or even if an external D/A is on any of them, or if there is more than 1 style expansion plate etc etc)??

Then I thought - Maybe his real question is - 'what the 3 rd stereo output is called?'
Thus why I labeled for his convenience. They are labeled as such also on my SBLives Epilog too - so what the OP's question is I guess is not exactly clear to me.

JGSF

Doesn't the live 5.1 only outputs 5.1 digitally? :fear:

Russ

No.

JGSF

Then the digital out should also serve as analog center/subwoofer when properly configured... (assuming your "no" was considering the fact that I was only thinking about the rear outputs )

Max M.

Maddogg6
Johnny1982
don't guess. read the manual: http://files2.europe.creative.com/ma...90/English.pdf

Russ

Yes, that is correct. Digital out (the Orange jack) is analog center/LFE, except when DOO is enabled (you cannot have 5.1 analog and 5.1 digital at the same time).

Maddogg6

So his real problem is the OP needs one of them 4-pole connectors for access to the 3rd stereo out (Center/LFE)

Firefox1

I don't know the exact name the KX gives the card.

It has one 3,5mm stereo line input, one 3,5mm mic input, 3,5mm stereo out for front, 3,5mm stereo out for rear and a stereo out for sub/center (witch can also be used as an 5.1 spdif digital out... i think...)

So the question ist how to configure KX to get 6 discrete mono line outputs (or 3 stereo) and one line input for recording. The mic input is not used, a mic would be connected to an hardware mixer.

Next question is how to set up Cubase SX3 to get these 6 (3) Channels usable...
OK, it's not an Cubase Forum here but maybe i can get some hints for the KX...



PS:
I don't want to think back to the old days we used the original Creative drivers......

Russ

A 4 pole connector is not needed for center/lfe.

Start by reading the kX help and guides, etc, so that you have a basic understanding of how kX works.

i.e.
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/effects-...-your-dsp.html
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/general-...ase-sx-kx.html

Maddogg6

According to the manual Max linked to - thats what it says...

@OP: Cubase has 2 places for configuring I/O routing - theres a separate applet in the start menu for selecting what device to use. Then there is settings within Cubase (to assign what is the master bus, external and group FX sends/returns (as opposed to VST), Inputs etc)
Found in Devices Menu > VST Connections.

Russ

I think maybe you mis-read it (but I could be wrong, as I did not read the whole thing, but I did not see anywhere that it said a 4-Pole connector is needed to access the analog channels of the Digital Out jack)?

i.e.
It says (in the section on Connectivity):
ANALOG/DIGITAL OUT via 4-Pole 3.5mm minijack on rear bracket
(analog (above) refers to analog Center/LFE)

i.e.
The connection points are within the 4-pole miniplug (jack), but the pin-out is such that the analog connectionss are made using a normal stereo connector. A 4-Pole connector is only needed in order to access all 3 digital outputs at the same time (for connections to digital speakers, etc). BTW: IIRC (with my own 5.1 model), this is explained somewhere (maybe in one of the other guides that came with the card (if not somewhere in that guide)).

Maddogg6

Yeah - thats what I seen too (connectivity - and isnt very clear).... I see nothing about the pin out in the manual - just a hint on page 1-2 (14 of 66) - but still is not clear (ie a 'pin out').
(Id quote it, but they protected the PDF so its not a simple cut and paste)

So, more so than I mis read - it wasnt clear - So, I made the 'safe' recommendation (The 4 pole jack would give the OP FULL I/O connectivity. Over kill - yes.... Necessary - no.) - given the non specifics in CL manual & info posted.

Oh well - thats all cleared up - the CL manuals suck....

dubmaster

Hi I have done this and yes it is possible and quite simple to do. I am doing this from the top of my head on a computer at work so it may not be 100% correct.

Use an ASIO plugin and three source plugins on a blank dsp.

In Cubase you need to enable all of your outputs.

Read this page in order to set up Cubase.

I tried to upload a screenshot of the DSP but i couldnt get the picture down to the 1Kb max upload size.

silvertones

http://i27.tinypic.com/23u1sw4.jpg

This is how I do it. I then use 1/8 TRS to 1/4 mono adaptor cords to 6 channels on my mixer.