KX vs Creative whats the point ?

coffeman_5 · May 3, 2003, 02:36 PM

Hi there I hope you can answer a question for me ?
Is there any point using the KX drivers on my Audigy over the creative ones using Cubase SX ?
I get a smooth 5ms delay now on an XP2100 and 512 Mb so whats the point ?
Hope you can help
:-)

Eli · May 3, 2003, 02:43 PM

with KX u get ASIO

in Creative drivers u don't.

That's only one (very important) reason why u should use the KX drivers.

;

coffeman_5 · May 3, 2003, 02:50 PM

mm well yes you do If you use Reason or SX ......has its own drivers

nuhi · May 3, 2003, 06:57 PM

What about sound quality ?

I have done some RMAA testing and KX seems and sounds better, just one little thing, to me it sounds like there is some loss of bass, or i am so used to creative's exaturation. Either way, kx is on my 'puter.

(i have 2 channel output, so i know it's not the phase thingy, bass is there, just it's somehow "colder")

rubber_glove · May 3, 2003, 08:20 PM

i love the kx drivers for the ability to record multitrack - with one card i guess that isn't an option, but chain some (cheap) cards together and.....

Mata Hari · May 4, 2003, 12:43 AM

Lemme see...

Real independant output channels
No signal loss due to creative's drivers internal sound amplifier/resampler (or EAX for that matter)
Complete control over all in and outputs
Complete control over the DSP chip
Complete control using midi over ALL aspects of the driver/card
Faster, Smaller (but not Simpler :-)
Internal ability to route each and every audio stream to anywhere... (the allready famous swap rear/front thing)

and better, it's getting better and better, and already is on allot of points much better then creative's drivers (maybe except multichannel/ac3 things and games)

s3n71nel · May 4, 2003, 05:32 PM

I can record 6 simultanious analog inputs with my 1 soundcard!!! (SB Live 5.1 with livedrive)
Now thats a great option for musicians!

The 1 negative i can think of is that u don't get the cool eax reverbs in your games.
Is that possible in a future release ???

cya.

coffeman_5 · May 4, 2003, 08:22 PM

mmm thanks for the replies :-) as i am not recording multiple sources I think I'll stick with the creative drivers ... once again cheers for the input

Arceo · May 5, 2003, 12:20 PM

By the way, anyone of you havin' success running two audio programs requiring ASIO simultaneusly (e.g. Reason + V-Stack) with a SB Live 5.1. I didn't, when I try to run the second program (no matter who's first) I get the following message:

Error creating imput buffer #0: error = -2147084809 [size = 4096]
GetLastError()=2

E_INVALIDARG: Too big latency and too many channels -- resetting latency --

Retry?

Tried any latency setting (from 2.33 to 21 ms), tried running first Reason than V-Stack, tried running first V-Stack then Reason but still no luck, and it's a big pity since I'm forced to use just one program at time 'cause I just can run the second program with MME Drivers whitch are pretty unusable for latency matters.

Do you know if I could solve this problem adding a second card ?

Or is it just a matter of Router/Mixer setting (whitch I'm not really familiar with) ?

Pleaaaaasssseeee help

Arceo

**Eugene Gavrilov** · May 6, 2003, 06:22 AM

make sure you select different inputs and outputs in your ASIO applications
also note that in general it is recommended to set Cubase to stop recording/playback when its window is inactive.

/Eugene

May 3, 2003, 02:36 PM	#1
coffeman_5 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2003 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 4 Rep Power: 0	KX vs Creative whats the point ? Hi there I hope you can answer a question for me ? Is there any point using the KX drivers on my Audigy over the creative ones using Cubase SX ? I get a smooth 5ms delay now on an XP2100 and 512 Mb so whats the point ? Hope you can help :-)

May 3, 2003, 02:50 PM	Thread Starter #3
coffeman_5 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2003 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 4 Rep Power: 0	ASIO mm well yes you do If you use Reason or SX ......has its own drivers

May 3, 2003, 08:20 PM	#5
rubber_glove DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: montreal Posts: 66 Rep Power: 0	well... i love the kx drivers for the ability to record multitrack - with one card i guess that isn't an option, but chain some (cheap) cards together and.....

May 3, 2003, 02:43 PM	#2
Eli DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 38 Rep Power: 0	with KX u get ASIO in Creative drivers u don't. That's only one (very important) reason why u should use the KX drivers. ;

May 3, 2003, 06:57 PM	#4
nuhi DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 26 Rep Power: 0	What about sound quality ? I have done some RMAA testing and KX seems and sounds better, just one little thing, to me it sounds like there is some loss of bass, or i am so used to creative's exaturation. Either way, kx is on my 'puter. (i have 2 channel output, so i know it's not the phase thingy, bass is there, just it's somehow "colder")

May 4, 2003, 12:43 AM	#6
Mata Hari HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 213 Rep Power: 0	Lemme see... Real independant output channels No signal loss due to creative's drivers internal sound amplifier/resampler (or EAX for that matter) Complete control over all in and outputs Complete control over the DSP chip Complete control using midi over ALL aspects of the driver/card Faster, Smaller (but not Simpler :-) Internal ability to route each and every audio stream to anywhere... (the allready famous swap rear/front thing) and better, it's getting better and better, and already is on allot of points much better then creative's drivers (maybe except multichannel/ac3 things and games)

May 4, 2003, 05:32 PM	#7
s3n71nel DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 41 Rep Power: 0	I can record 6 simultanious analog inputs with my 1 soundcard!!! (SB Live 5.1 with livedrive) Now thats a great option for musicians! The 1 negative i can think of is that u don't get the cool eax reverbs in your games. Is that possible in a future release ??? cya.

May 4, 2003, 08:22 PM	Thread Starter #8
coffeman_5 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2003 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 4 Rep Power: 0	mmm thanks for the replies :-) as i am not recording multiple sources I think I'll stick with the creative drivers ... once again cheers for the input

May 5, 2003, 12:20 PM	#9
Arceo DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Italy Posts: 13 Rep Power: 0	By the way, anyone of you havin' success running two audio programs requiring ASIO simultaneusly (e.g. Reason + V-Stack) with a SB Live 5.1. I didn't, when I try to run the second program (no matter who's first) I get the following message: Error creating imput buffer #0: error = -2147084809 [size = 4096] GetLastError()=2 E_INVALIDARG: Too big latency and too many channels -- resetting latency -- Retry? Tried any latency setting (from 2.33 to 21 ms), tried running first Reason than V-Stack, tried running first V-Stack then Reason but still no luck, and it's a big pity since I'm forced to use just one program at time 'cause I just can run the second program with MME Drivers whitch are pretty unusable for latency matters. Do you know if I could solve this problem adding a second card ? Or is it just a matter of Router/Mixer setting (whitch I'm not really familiar with) ? Pleaaaaasssseeee help Arceo

May 6, 2003, 06:22 AM	#10
Eugene Gavrilov kX Project Lead Programmer and Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,119 Rep Power: 75	make sure you select different inputs and outputs in your ASIO applications also note that in general it is recommended to set Cubase to stop recording/playback when its window is inactive. /Eugene