Audigy 2 ZS Speakers and Headphones at same time???

superakcraig · Jun 9, 2008, 07:29 PM

Sorry for the noob question but I searched for the answer before asking and couldn't find it.

Before I go an install this, I just need to know if the KX project will allow me to run both my 5.1 speaker setup (analog on the card) and my headphone jack on the front of my Dell box at the same time?

Thanks for your help.

Maddogg6 · Jun 9, 2008, 08:13 PM

if the 'front of your dell box' is a live drive II (aka - A2ZS *Platinum* ) in a Disk Drive Bay of the PC case - then the answer is yes.

Yo could also do so, if you have the special (4 pole) connectors for the analog outputs - and use the SIDE analog outs of the A2ZS - for headphones as well (with some kX DSP configurations probably).

Otherwise, yes - the live drive is a separate/independent I2S codec (is part of the live drive electronics) from the outputs found on the back of the card.

Russ · Jun 10, 2008, 08:28 PM

Do you know what the headphone jack is connected to (I am guessing that it is not an LD, and is rather some Dell connector?)?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maddogg6

Yo could also do so, if you have the special (4 pole) connectors for the analog outputs - and use the SIDE analog outs of the A2ZS

I think the model used by Dell might be 6.1, not 7.1 (at least according to the only manual I could find for any A2 cards on the Dell web site).

pkozerski · Jun 10, 2008, 08:41 PM

I think that every Audigy 2 ZS have 7.1.... when it is 6.1 than it isn't ZS

Russ · Jun 10, 2008, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pkozerski

I think that every Audigy 2 ZS have 7.1.... when it is 6.1 than it isn't ZS

Yes, you are probably right, I meant that maybe it is not an A2ZS, but further searching shows that Creative does list both an A2 (SB0353) and A2ZS (SB0358) as OEM Dell models.

Maddogg6 · Jun 10, 2008, 09:22 PM

Have you identified what output in kX (on Epilog) sends audio to that connector on the front panel?

Or does pluging headphones in 'turn off' the front outputs?

Russ · Jun 10, 2008, 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oxtie

Talking about drivers, CT drivers mute speakers when headphones are plugged in. kX drivers detect when headphones are plugged in, however does not mute speakers.

OK, so you are saying that both (Speakers/HP) are working for you with kX (only automute is not working)? If so, then I guess that answers the OP's question (although you may want to verify that they are separate outputs).

IIRC (I do not have a LD, so based on what I have read in forum, etc), the automute feature in kX can be a little buggy, and only works with the LD Headphone jack (so if it does not use LD headphones pins on epilog, then maybe automute will not work with kX).

Russ · Jun 10, 2008, 10:05 PM

Hehe, I was thinking that it was probably getting late for you

Well if you check the connections on epilog to see which one is for that HP jack, let us know what you find out (for future reference, etc).

Also, I am curious if anything is listed for "DB Name:" in kX's 'About' window?

Maddogg6 · Jun 10, 2008, 11:13 PM

Quote:

erm, my mistake, I read the first post as "automute" being a problem

Yeah, I was curious if that front panel jack *electrically* was switching speakers / headphones, and causing kX automute to 'not work' (not working is a little vague and can mean many things I suppose) - and *always* turned off speakers. But thats because I mis-read your original post about this... but thats all cleared up as far as I am concerned about auto-mute

At any rate... the auto-mute with kX, I think the problems stem from loading configs and the need to 're-sync' the status of the auto mute. It does work for the most part, just that kX doesnt re-check when loading config files, and thus looses sync.
If a config is saved with auto-mute engaged, and then re-loaded later when no HP plugged in - no sound. The opposite is also true as well. Saved config with auto-mute disengaged - re-loaded later with HP plugged in - sound from both.

superakcraig · Jun 11, 2008, 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oxtie

I've got Audigy 2 ZS and I confirm it is a 7.1 type

I've got Dell XPS Gen 5(if you see the driver page in dell.com you can even see the picture) In my case it is like "door" I open the tiny door, and I see a dell made custom connector ports (2 USB, Firewire, Microphone and Headphone)

Oddly enough I have the exact same PC and the exact same card but I can tell you mine is only 5.1. Not sure how you are getting 7.1. Anywho, after installing this driver, I can tell you that I by default have audio out my headphone jack (front panel) and out of my speakers at the same time. That is exactly what i wanted to do.

One more thing, since I did start this thread, anyone have any idea if it would be possible to make that headphone jack audio but a line out jack. In other words, have the same volume coming out of that jack even when I turn up the speakers.

I am running an FM transmitter on this jack to broadcast my music to the whole house but would like to have a steady volume to that jack. Anyone know if this is possible?

Thanks for your input!!!

Russ · Jun 11, 2008, 01:13 AM

There is no single plugin (currently) that will allow you to have constant volume on the HP jack, while still having variable volume (i.e. controlled by MM keys) in the speakers. However with a custom DSP config you could do what you want.

i.e. Use ProFX:kxlt (instead of epilog) with my Master Volume plugin.

i.e.
Something like this.

superakcraig · Jun 11, 2008, 01:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ

There is no single plugin (currently) that will allow you to have constant volume on the HP jack, while still having variable volume (i.e. controlled by MM keys) in the speakers. However with a custom DSP config you could do what you want.

i.e. Use ProFX:kxlt (instead of epilog) with my Master Volume plugin.

i.e.
Something like this.

Okay as you already may know, I am a complete NOOB when it comes to this the KX project. Is a step by step guide out of the question on how to create this? If its too much trouble, I would understand. Thanks again!!

Russ · Jun 11, 2008, 05:18 AM

There is a basic tutorial here: http://www.hardwareheaven.com/effects-...-your-dsp.html as well as the rest of the docs in the kX Resources and Support Documentation thread. There is no real step-by-step guide as there is just too much stuff to cover (too many possible configs). Also, the example is just meant to show how you could use those two plugins to do what you want, but you wouldn't necessarily use that exact config. i.e. You have a 10k2 card, whereas I do not, so your default config is going to look a little different then mine, the idea is to just show the main connections, etc, so that hopefully you can adapt it to fit whatever config you are using.. The best way to figure out kX, is to just try different things in the DSP (and refer to the above tutorial and kX help to get a basic understanding of where signal's originate in the DSP, etc), and then if you cannot figure something out, ask specific questions about it.

Maddogg6 · Jun 11, 2008, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oxtie

My speaker system is 5.1 (dell) though card is 7.1 (Creative)

Don't you have extra holes behind the card (excluding Digital out)? I'm surprised at this

The extra SIDE outputs, on a real A2ZS - uses extra connections in the REAR and CENTER/LFE line out jacks. You need to use a special 4 pole plug - similar, if not exactly what many camcorders and iPod use for video/left/right/gnd connections. (warning: not all will work, it seems the gnd connection on some is in the wrong position on the plug)
As seen here:
MacDevCenter.com -- Getting the Video out of Your New iPod--for Cheap!

**dj_stick** · Jun 13, 2008, 01:37 AM

iirc the output of the front panel connector on audigy 2 cards is directly linked to the physical front output of the card

Russ · Jun 13, 2008, 06:38 AM

If that is correct, then it will not be possible to have the HP output use a different volume level unless (as Maddogg6 stated) you use the side outputs (with 7.1 models) to output the front channel to the speakers. This would also explain why the auto-mute feature is not working, since kX does not seem to enable this for the AC97 outputs.

Jun 9, 2008, 07:29 PM	#1
superakcraig DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 6 Rep Power: 0	Audigy 2 ZS Speakers and Headphones at same time??? Sorry for the noob question but I searched for the answer before asking and couldn't find it. Before I go an install this, I just need to know if the KX project will allow me to run both my 5.1 speaker setup (analog on the card) and my headphone jack on the front of my Dell box at the same time? Thanks for your help.

Jun 11, 2008, 01:13 AM	#11
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,563 Rep Power: 62	There is no single plugin (currently) that will allow you to have constant volume on the HP jack, while still having variable volume (i.e. controlled by MM keys) in the speakers. However with a custom DSP config you could do what you want. i.e. Use ProFX:kxlt (instead of epilog) with my Master Volume plugin. i.e. Something like this. Last edited by Russ; Jun 11, 2008 at 01:39 AM.

Jun 9, 2008, 08:13 PM	#2
Maddogg6 Tail Razer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bernyurass, AZ - USA Posts: 4,027 Rep Power: 0	if the 'front of your dell box' is a live drive II (aka - A2ZS Platinum ) in a Disk Drive Bay of the PC case - then the answer is yes. Yo could also do so, if you have the special (4 pole) connectors for the analog outputs - and use the SIDE analog outs of the A2ZS - for headphones as well (with some kX DSP configurations probably). Otherwise, yes - the live drive is a separate/independent I2S codec (is part of the live drive electronics) from the outputs found on the back of the card.

Jun 10, 2008, 08:41 PM	#4
pkozerski HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 61 Rep Power: 0	I think that every Audigy 2 ZS have 7.1.... when it is 6.1 than it isn't ZS

Jun 10, 2008, 09:22 PM	#6
Maddogg6 Tail Razer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bernyurass, AZ - USA Posts: 4,027 Rep Power: 0	Have you identified what output in kX (on Epilog) sends audio to that connector on the front panel? Or does pluging headphones in 'turn off' the front outputs?

Jun 10, 2008, 10:05 PM	#8
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,563 Rep Power: 62	Hehe, I was thinking that it was probably getting late for you Well if you check the connections on epilog to see which one is for that HP jack, let us know what you find out (for future reference, etc). Also, I am curious if anything is listed for "DB Name:" in kX's 'About' window?

Jun 11, 2008, 05:18 AM	#13
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,563 Rep Power: 62	There is a basic tutorial here: http://www.hardwareheaven.com/effects-...-your-dsp.html as well as the rest of the docs in the kX Resources and Support Documentation thread. There is no real step-by-step guide as there is just too much stuff to cover (too many possible configs). Also, the example is just meant to show how you could use those two plugins to do what you want, but you wouldn't necessarily use that exact config. i.e. You have a 10k2 card, whereas I do not, so your default config is going to look a little different then mine, the idea is to just show the main connections, etc, so that hopefully you can adapt it to fit whatever config you are using.. The best way to figure out kX, is to just try different things in the DSP (and refer to the above tutorial and kX help to get a basic understanding of where signal's originate in the DSP, etc), and then if you cannot figure something out, ask specific questions about it.

Jun 13, 2008, 06:38 AM	#16
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,563 Rep Power: 62	If that is correct, then it will not be possible to have the HP output use a different volume level unless (as Maddogg6 stated) you use the side outputs (with 7.1 models) to output the front channel to the speakers. This would also explain why the auto-mute feature is not working, since kX does not seem to enable this for the AC97 outputs.