loopdokter

Hi All,

I was wondering if anyone out there is still using an E-MU APS with Cubase SX?

The reason I'm asking is because I'm looking to record a vocalist direct into Cubase whilst the track is playing (so she can track while listening to the arrangement).

I'm wondering what my options are and if any users may already have their kx drivers configured to do so properly using the standard features in Cubase?

Thanks!

__________________
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Official webpage: http://www.jaykaufman.ca
Social whoring: http://www.myspace.com/jaykaufman
-------------------------------------------------------------------

JGSF

That should be pretty easy to do with kx.

i.e.:

Use the mixer plugins (mixy 4x2 or mixy 8x2).

Route the mic input to an asio input and a mixer.
Route the asio output(s) of cubase you want to that mixer (you can turn off software monitoring this way)

Now connect that mixer's output to the output the singer will be listening to.

And you can set up another mixer in the dsp like this for yourself too.

This is just an example of course, there's plenty of ways.

loopdokter

I know it's not difficult, but I've always struggled with routing.

Cubase SX has a nifty monitoring feature that will only record on that channel. She'll be monitoring through headphones (it's actually my gf!), so that's no big deal either.

I guess I was more or less asking someone if they had already set up something with some effects and the like. I'm struggling getting the inputs set up correctly so that I can record just the vocals - not the entire mix.

__________________
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Official webpage: http://www.jaykaufman.ca
Social whoring: http://www.myspace.com/jaykaufman
-------------------------------------------------------------------

loopdokter

I'd like to add that I'm very much a visual guy... I'd also like to add into that chain a way of adding in DSP effects so that I can use the plug-ins on the kx drivers instead of native VST stuff. It's not that I'm shy on memory or processing power (I struggle trying to max it out), but it will make things easier and present more options to me.

__________________
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Official webpage: http://www.jaykaufman.ca
Social whoring: http://www.myspace.com/jaykaufman
-------------------------------------------------------------------

Maddogg6

get the updated ProFx plugins and have a look at Lexs Tutorials...

Exactly how you setup the DSP, will greatly depend on how you prefer to work in Cubase (how many effect buss', if you apply effects to the input, but still record it dry - which is usually recommended)
Lex Nahumury's kX Project Support Site

loopdokter

I've already been to Lex's site and will try playing around with his examples, but I found myself a bit lost. Like I said, bussing always thows me for a loop and the like.

Basically I'm going to record the vox dry. From there I can effect them as I normally would when I have a pre-recorded vocal. This is the first time I've actually ever tracked anything in MY studio. In the past I've gone elsewhere.

__________________
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Official webpage: http://www.jaykaufman.ca
Social whoring: http://www.myspace.com/jaykaufman
-------------------------------------------------------------------

Maddogg6

What in particular in Lex's tutorials did you not understand?
The Cubase config is a little different, but not too much.
kX screen shots may look a little different - but lables are pretty much the same (ie - MX6 update has a different skin - but the controls are same)

Cubase is probably the most non-user-friendly DAW for a beginner.
I use Sonar, as I find it to be the best power to user-friendly DAW available.

loopdokter

Hehe.

I'm NOT a beginner. I've been producing with Cubase since 1994. I know it inside-out.

It's the drivers that are doing my nut in.

I read everything on his pages. Perhaps I'm just a lazy bastard and want someone to ship me over a template? I dunno. It just seemed a bit convoluted to me. Again, when it comes to routing I can be a bit thick.

__________________
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Official webpage: http://www.jaykaufman.ca
Social whoring: http://www.myspace.com/jaykaufman
-------------------------------------------------------------------

Maddogg6

Ok -
What input will you be using?
What output will you be monitoring with?
What output will your gf be monitoring with?
What effect did you want to use?
What ASIO channels do you have config'd in Cubase for;
- MAIN monitor? gf monitor?
- External Effect sends?
-
I hope my point is becoming clearer... you see, if I send you a DSP template - Id have to send a cubase template too - And I no longer have access to Cubase anymore... not to mention my psychic abilities seem to be malfunctioning .

Really - you need to take the time to understand how to config the DSP if your want to do anything with DAW. And were more than happy to help with that.

Me - I have unique DSP configs for some single projects, even ones different for recording vs mixing. The real power of kX is this ability to manage DSP resources - to use them as needed - then change them later after saving the DSP config.

loopdokter

The input is coming out of my mixing desk main outs via the APS analog ins on the e-card (not e-drive on the front because my mixer has phantom power and the mic is a condenser on a balanced XLR cable).

The outs on the e-card, which in turn feed through to my mixer and then my amp, then my monitors

My gf will be monitoring the entire mix through headphones via my mixing desk. If there is a better way to route it, I'm all for it.

Well, it would be nice to be able to add some verb to her vocals, but record them dry. I would also like some compression and delays. The effects on the vocal input signal are not THAT important because I can treat them afterwards. A pre-amp effect would be ideal though because I can't quite afford that Focusrite I've been eye at the shop. I can EQ things accordingly off of the desk, but even then I'll probably EQ it more after recorded. I'd like to have the DSP set up so that would be possible to effect input signals and individual channels down the road. Perhaps I'm looking at two different DSP set-ups?

I only currently have my Cubase template set up with 1 input for kx 01/02 as a stereo in. I just added an additional 7 stereo ins to it. Screenshot below...

http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?i...enshot1am3.jpg

One of those inputs I'd like to route to the recording channel in which I'm monitoring on in Cubase audio (I know how to do that). Getting it to record properly without recording the entire mix has proved tricky!

I route 3 additional buses out of Cubase for kick, drums and synths. Each one of those has their own set of VST FX on the input signal to maximize the output accordingly.

Hehe. Well, I can err, point you in the right direction of a 'demo' version of Cubase if you're willing and if needed.

I'm all ears, but I'm more of an eyes kind of guy. I learn by doing and watching - so if someone sends me a template of their DSP, I can usually figure it out from there.

Mainly I'm just looking to set up my DSP so that I can input vocals or my external synths in an instant - without having the entire mix being recorded on a single channel.

I'm trying to add more warmth to my tunes and I'm trying to move away from using VSTi's. The more ability I have to record external sources, the better!

__________________
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Official webpage: http://www.jaykaufman.ca
Social whoring: http://www.myspace.com/jaykaufman
-------------------------------------------------------------------

Russ

You left out a lot of info... You really need to be very specific when asking about DSP configs like this. Also, it is not clear what you are doing with the external mixer. Are you doing any mixing in the DSP? within Cubase? using your external mixer?

You really need to explain it step by step for every input/output (not just sound card input/outputs, but also ASIO inputs/outputs, (and be specific)), and what (specifically) should be done with each signal in the DSP.

For example:
MIC input from some specific sound card input to ASIO 0/1 into Cubase for recording.
MIC output from Cubase (for monitoring dry MIC signal) using ASIO 0/1 to a mixer in the DSP (or some specific DSP output).
Drum output from Cubase using ASIO 2/3 to a mixer in the DSP (or some specific DSP output)
Synth output from Cubase using ASIO 4/5 to a mixer in the DSP (or some specific DSP output).
Main output from Cubase...
... etc.
DSP mixer output to some specific sound card output...
DSP effects?
...etc.

Without all of the info, it is impossible for us to offer an example DSP config, etc.

Maddogg6

Perhaps - I have used 2 different DSP configs -
1 for recording - set up with monitor effects applied only to a physical input (but record the input dry)
Another for mix down, where the effects were set up as 'external effects' (as they are called in cubase).
Its so I can maximize the kX DSP resources - and my 10K2 card has much more than the APS - so I am certain, this is something you would want to consider.

But I have to say in all honesty - if 'routing' is something your struggle with - boy are you in for some frustration - I take it you have more hair to pull out than cash to pay for a studio

Lex's tutorials are design so you can make your own - really - you should revist them and ask specific questions as to what is not made clear in them.

But - no matter what we do - if you are a lazy bastard - if you are not willing to read his tutorials - you wont likely read any help here.

kX *is not* a plug and play driver - to use kX, requires a bit of a learning curve.
The APS drivers were *way* more simple - agreed (I used APSLive prior to kX)
But kX is way more flexible and powerful - once you get past the learning curve.

loopdokter

I'll post some more specific questions tomorrow. Bit tired at the moment.

I think I've grasped a bit of how things worked and revisited Lex's tutorials.

Once this is all done, I think I may draw up a tutorial of my own if someone will host it for me.

__________________
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Official webpage: http://www.jaykaufman.ca
Social whoring: http://www.myspace.com/jaykaufman
-------------------------------------------------------------------

loopdokter

Okay, I'm reviving this.

Hopefully there's still people out there willing to help.

All I want to be able to do is basic recording into Cubase.

My set up is as follows.

1. APS outs to external mixer
2. External mixer to APS ins on back of E-Card.
3. Those ins 'in theory' should feed into Cubase to allow me to record. Unfortunately, it's only recording anything already within Cubase instead of my synths feeding through my mixer (I just hooked these back up after getting sick of VSTi's).

I don't care about monitoring. I don't care about recording effects from the DSP before it hits Cubase. I can do everything fx-wise in post. I have a separate out coming out of my mixing desk going into my amp that monitors the entire mix. Monitoring in Cubase isn't needed since I can control the main mix from the desk.

For some reason Lex's plugins aren't registering on my kX DSP, so I may be stuck with using the default ones.

I've done this before. I know it works. I can't figure out why it's not working now with the default kX drivers set up?!

__________________
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Official webpage: http://www.jaykaufman.ca
Social whoring: http://www.myspace.com/jaykaufman
-------------------------------------------------------------------