xenomorph1138

PC is HP Pav with Vista Prem 32bit.

I upgraded my SBLive 5.1 with KX drivers (3545b) to Audigy 2 ZS with KX drivers (3545b). I have output but no input signal. I'm trying to record from one prog to another. Tried other devices in rec prog with no luck. In Kx Mixer, in Recording window, Master Rec Lev sliders are up and unmuted. In AC97 window the dropdown menu, stereomix is selected and Rec lev sliders are up and unmuted. DSP is set to default. Tried rec with mic also. No signal. (ac97 dropdown menu set to mic). This was a non issue with SBLive. Thanks in advance for any and all suggestion/advice.

Xeno

PS: I don't know is this is relevant or related but in the Kx Mixer in the Master window there is no wave device (sliders) or midi device (sliders). And my system has froze twice since changing cards.

Russ

Did you unmute the AC97 slider on the Recording page?

When the AC97 source is Stereo Mix, you need to enable/unmute each AC97 input that you want included, on the bottom of the AC97 page.

This is a known issue in Vista, but I do not think it should effect recording...

xenomorph1138

Yes, I believe I did but I will check again and check back.


None of those apply in this case since I'm not trying to record from any of those inputs. I'm rec from one prog to another. Not from linein, aux, or mic.


What about the system freeze? After my previous post my system froze again. I mean everything. I was in the asio control panel. I was gonna make a selection but it (everything) froze. I had to shut down with the power button. I can't remember the last time that happened before I did this hardware change. Now this is the second or third time today. I already reinstalled everything. That is, uninstalled the Kx drivers, rebooted, installed the Kx drivers again. Cleaned my registry. Did that the first time it froze. Is this an issue with audigy?

Thx again.

Maddogg6

This makes us think you are including AC97 inputs.

Maybe be more specific in what 'I'm rec from one prog to another' means exactly.
What Progs? Both ASIO?

Normally - to record audio from one program into another - the 'source' program is providing sound out the WAVE device - thus, you need to adjust the WAVE record level. Perhaps some card models are different than my 2 (Live and Audigy) cards?? But the stereo mix on the AC97 page is irrelevant.

It may be easier to make a custom DSP for this (Easier to understand what needs to happen in the kX DSP that is)

Russ

Right, I had thought that you were recording from AC97 since you mentioned what you have selected as the AC97 source.

It is hard to give info for Vista, since I do not use it and I am not sure what issues still exist. Normally, to record wave audio (with default DSP), you would do like Maddogg6 stated (adjust Wave Recording level on Recording page), but there was an issue with the routing of stereo audio in Vista that would prevent this from working and I am not sure if the issue still exists or not (the issue was that stereo audio always got routed to 3D Front (instead of FxBus 0/1), and only wave audio from FxBus 0/1 is routed to recording with default DSP config).

Make sure Master Mixer is set as the default audio device in the Windows Control panel.

Connect a peak plugin to FxBus 0/1, and FxBus 2/3, and see which one gives a signal when playing audio. If it is FxBus 0/1, then adjusting the Wave recording level should work. If it is FxBus 2/3, then you will need to use a custom DSP config.

Beyond the above, it would be helpful if someone who is using Vista could confirm the recording procedure (when using WDM/MME) and that it works, etc.

As for the freezing, I am not aware of any such issues... Do yo have more than 2 GB RAM? If so, maybe that has something to do with it (could effect recording too)?

xenomorph1138

Thx guys. Keep in mind though, that #1, I'm somewhat new to Kx. I'm just getting familiar with the UI. #2 I'm clueless when it comes to the DSP & Router, although I figured out how and where to put the 10 band EQ in and fuction properly for my SBLive card.

OK. Let me try to break it down so you have at least an idea of what I have been doing with SBLive before I upgraded to Audigy. I use three music (audio) programs.

#1. Acid Music Studio, (loop based music creation software).
#2. FL Studio demo (create loops for Acid)
#3. Sound Forge Audio Studio (recording and editing loops from FL to be used in Acid)

Up untill recently I was using asio4all in all 3 prog because asio was either unavailable (Sound Forge & Acid), available but unable to select (shaded) in FL Studio. After upgrading kx3538 to 3545b asio mysteriously was available to select in FL Studio, Acid and Sound Forge.. Only one problem. In Sound Forge audio pref, there is no rec device for asio.

Anyway if you could help me get my Audgy 2 ZS to do the same that I was doin with the SBLive I'ld really be very grateful. And maybe get Audgy setup to take advantage of the better sound quality. I have my output from the card pluged into a slightly older Pioneer Reciever VSX-D308.


Is there a link to more info on this more than 2gbs of ram in Vista issue?
This wasn't an issue before Audigy.



Custom DSP?! Let's do it! But right now got to eat some turkey!

HAPPY THANKSGIVING GUYS!! (Russ, MDG & all at KX & DH)

I'll be gone for a day or two. I'll check back saturday.


Xeno

Russ

kX ASIO is not multi-client, so in most cases you cannot use kX ASIO in multiple programs at the same time, so you would need to only use ASIO in the program that is doing the recording, and use the wave driver (WinMM) in the others.

Again, it is hard to give info for Vista since I have never used it, and thus I am not familair with it, and I do not know what kX issues still exist with it.

As for the > 2 GB issue, I have not seen any reports of freezing (specifically) due to that, but there have been issues reported (see all the threads where different versions of kX were released (since Vista support has been added)).

xenomorph1138

Ok, here we go. I removed audigy 2 zs. I put SBLive back in. (my vista machine) Guess what? All works. Except for occasional pop and crack in Acid playback. But that's no mystery. It worked before. Point being the recording works. I use kxasio for Fl Studio and asio4all for recording in Sound Forge. I had the same setup for Audigy in the Kx mixer as I do now for SBLive. Audigy should work. Right?
So. I put Audigy in my XP machine becuase...well...I can use the CL software (disc that was included with the Audigy card) and it will work. Right? Wrong! I can't even get output. Yep. This is right up there with my XFI extreme audio card which now sits on a shelf.
Anyway I uninstall all the CL Crap. All of it! Put the KX drivers in and wala! We have asio output in XP. But only MME drivers will work for recording in Sound Forge. Not Asio4all which worked with SBLive.
I would like to have at least what I had with my SBLive which is FL Studio asio output and asio4all recording with Sound Forge.

IF THERE IS ANYONE THAT IS READING THIS THAT HAS AUDIGY 2 ZS IN VISTA (BUILD 6001)
THAT CAN HELP ME SET MINE UP TO RECORD I WOULD BE FOREVER IN YOUR DEBT. HAVE PITY. I'M GOING THROUGH RECORDING WITHDRAWLS. DON'T MAKE ME BEG.

As for the 2gb mem thing, I can remove a gig if that will cure the rec prob.

Now this has been a problem. I can't set it as default. I've tried this before and when I select Master Mixer the default button does not lite up so I can't make it default so I've been using 2/3 as default. Also 4/5, 6/7 and SPDIF/AC3 can be set as default but not Master. AHRRRR

Is there a screen shot of this kxmixer setup somewhere? I do really good with diagrams. That would really be helpful.

I will continue to try to unravel this and I thank you again, Russ and MDG for your much valued advice and input.

I will be back. Hopefuly with some good news.

Xeno

Maddogg6

Hmm - you know - ASIO4ALL may *not* default to use kX WAVE 0/1 with an Audigy card (Like it may with a SBLive) - it may default to using kX Wave HQ instead - which uses different ways to set recording source (its not done in DSP like kX Wave 0/1 is)... maybe its a ASIO4ALL config problem..??

Russ

Since you have XP too, I suggest that you try to get it working on XP first, since that is where you are more likely to get help (and AFAIK, >2GB is not a problem with XP).

I think Maddogg6 is probably right regarding Asio4all. Please check that it is set to record using kX Wave 0/1 and not WaveHQ.

Make sure that you are using kX ASIO 0/1 for output in FL Studio.

Make sure that the Master and Wave recording levels are set to 100, on the recording page of kxmixer.

The >2GB thing is tricky as some people have reported it working with >2GB some times, and not working at other times. If you can bring your memory down to 2 GB (at least temporarily for testing purposes), then I would suggest doing that, so that there is one less potential issue to worry about. If you are able to get it working, and then add the memory back in and and it stops working, then you will know something... (though E. says ">=2Gb", so maybe it has to be less then 2 GB?).

I think if you are able to use kX ASIO in Vista, then you probably do not have to worry about the issue regarding FxBus 0/1 and FxBus 2/3 (if it is even still an issue), but again, I would try to get everything working in XP first.

xenomorph1138

OK. I have good news with Audigy and my XP machine. Note: Windows Classic Wave, MS Sound Mapper and Direct Sound in Sound Forge audio device preferences were already working for recording. I wanted the use of asio4all for better latency and for the fact from my past experience with it for playback performance in Acid and FL it was just a better driver for what I was doing. In order to get the asio4all driver for recording to work, First I had to go to Start/Programs/ASIO4ALL. This is the asio4all control panel. Second, I disabled the WaveHQ as MDG suggested. Third, I went into Sound Forge, Options dropdown menu, preferences, audio, and selected asio4all. Fourth, clicked advanced to access the asio4all control panel and disabled the WaveHQ there also and exitted the control panel then clicked apply. I am now recording.

Right on the money. Thanks


So I'm good to go with Audigy and XP. I'm not so sure Vista is gonna be as trouble free as XP but I'll leave it there for a few days and play around with it and take some screenshots of the settings so I can refer to them when I put Audigy back in my Vista machine.

You know, I don't notice any difference in the sound quality between SBLive and Audigy. Is there a way to use the HQ setting for playback in Audigy? The reason I bought it (besides the $15 dollar price tag, the CL software and the 5 games that came with it) I was expecting to get that 24bit Advanced HD better sound out of it. Do I have to be running out of the SPDIF to get that?

Anyway, thanks again for your suggestions and input. It will be a few days anyway before I put Audigy back in the Vista machine, so should I start a new thread or post back here? I'll check back at this one everyday to see if anyone answers my plea.

IF THERE IS ANYONE THAT IS READING THIS THAT HAS AUDIGY 2 ZS IN VISTA WITH KX DRIVER THAT HAS RECORDING CAPABILITY AND
THAT CAN HELP ME SET MINE UP TO RECORD I WOULD BE FOREVER IN YOUR DEBT. HAVE PITY. I'M GOING THROUGH RECORDING WITHDRAWLS. DON'T MAKE ME BEG. ITS NOT A PRETTY SIGHT. LOL.

Maddogg6

First - compare to the actual SBLives FRONT analog outs (Un Check 'Swap Front <> Rear' switch in kX Mixer main page) The difference - IMHO - is quite audible.
The SBLives use an ac97 based codec for the front, but a better codec for the rear. Audidgy's (at least my A2ZS, uses no AC97 based codec for any of the analog outs - it uses I2S which are newer technology and higher quality)

look at kX help file, Appendix A: Technical Reference - IO Assignments page and compare all the 10K1 (SBLive) and 10K2 (Audigy) outputs as evidence of these differences.

You will also find (in kX Help file) an explanation/diagram of how the Wave HQ works and the relevant P16V device in relation to the kX DSP.

But, your amp and speakers may mask the differences.
Your source audio may not make the difference noticeable. (Crap in = crap out)
You can not polish a turd.

Using Wave HQ bypasses the kX DSP, and again, playing 16/44 MP3s through it wont likely yield much difference if at all. And with no kX DSP, the real power of kX is moot.

But for DVD playing, using kX Wave HQ will sound quite a bit better than the SBLive. If for no other reason for the inferior front analog outs CODEC.

xenomorph1138

Thx for the info and suggestions. That's alot to digest. I think I'm going to keep the Audigy in my XP machine for more than just a couple of days. How about we close this thread for now. That will allow me some time to do more tests and studying.

Thanks again for all (Russ & MDG) your suggestions, time and patience.
Your valued support is very much appreciated. No doubt I will be running into new roadblocks and the unfinished Vista Audigy problem needs to be addressed, so I'll talk to you soon.

hamasaki

ok,I suffered some problem under vista with WinMM Recording.
all singal checked and outputed to the k2lt WinMM Recording port,but sound forge got no sound by recording source monitor.I'm sure the DSP works well,becoz I dosen't have this issue in previous version drivers.
maybe I missed something important? or just driver issue. btw,asio recording is ok. =_= a2zs+3545b+vista sp1

g000fy

i dont know if this means anything but here goes it.

using kxdrv3545b-full.exe on winxp sp3 32bit with audigy 2zs plat pro.
cant get mic-in to work correctly.
to get any sound at all out my speakers when i speak into mic i have to turn line 1 to on and set it at a pretty high level and at that point i get noise...like white noise....but i can hear my voice when i speak.
if i uncheck line 2 and raise the sliders it "adds" more noise and same for line 3...


i cant get the level meters to show up in sonar 7pe even though i can hear my voice and see kx levels in peak....they work fine in there although i still have loud noise.


anyhow no levels in sonar 7
and lots of noise.