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Old Nov 11, 2009, 12:21 PM   #1
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??? 5.10.0.3550 does not support Vienna SoundFont Studio?

Hi!
It seems to me, that the last version of kx-drivers wich supported Vienna SoundFont Studio was 3541.
Version5.10.0.3550 does not support it. Vienna just says "No soundfont devices" on start and refuses to work. I tried 5.10.0.3550 with different soundcards (Live! and Audigy 2 ZS notebook) and with different versions of Vienna (2.3 and 2.4), but Vienna does not work. So I had to rollback to version 3541 in order to make Vienna work.

The question is: am I right, or am I doing something wrong? I'd like it very much to have the latest version of KXProject drivers installed and to edit soundfonts the same time. Any suggestions?
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Re: 5.10.0.3550 does not support Vienna SoundFont Studio?

Try adding the Kx directory to the "path" in windows, see if that does it for you.
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Re: 5.10.0.3550 does not support Vienna SoundFont Studio?

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Try adding the Kx directory to the "path" in windows, see if that does it for you.
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Re: 5.10.0.3550 does not support Vienna SoundFont Studio?

Not a problem, glad it worked for you.
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Re: 5.10.0.3550 does not support Vienna SoundFont Studio?

Tyrsonswood, just out of curiosity as I've seen this solution mentioned a few times recently, how and where do you modify the path in Windows?

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Re: 5.10.0.3550 does not support Vienna SoundFont Studio?

In XP it's...... control panel, System, Advanced Tab, Environment variables, and then edit the path statement. always use a semi-colon ( ; ) between additions. Other versions of windows should be similar but XP is all I have.
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Re: 5.10.0.3550 does not support Vienna SoundFont Studio?

Here is a script (WSH/VBScript) to do it (might be easier for some people):

Code:
Dim ExistingPath, NewPath, CheckPath, kXPath

Set oShell = WScript.CreateObject("WScript.Shell")
Set oEnv = oShell.Environment("SYSTEM")
ExistingPath = oEnv("PATH")
CheckPath = split(ExistingPath, ";", -1)

kXPath = "C:\Program Files\kX Audio Driver\3550"

For Each Item In CheckPath
    If StrComp(Item, kXPath, 1) = 0 Then
        Wscript.Echo "The kX directory is already in the PATH"
        WScript.Quit    
    End If
Next

NewPath = ExistingPath & ";" & kXPath
oEnv("PATH") = NewPath

Wscript.Echo "The kX directory has been added to the PATH"
WScript.Quit
Note: The above probably needs to be run at an elevated privilege level in Vista/7.
Also make sure that kXPath in the above code matches where kX was installed on your system.

Here is a script to remove kX from the PATH (for when new version of kX come out, etc)
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Dim ExistingPath, NewPath, CheckPath, kXPath

Set oShell = WScript.CreateObject("WScript.Shell")
Set oEnv = oShell.Environment("SYSTEM")
ExistingPath = oEnv("PATH")
CheckPath = split(ExistingPath, ";", -1)

kXPath = "C:\Program Files\kX Audio Driver\3550"

For Each Item In CheckPath
    If StrComp(Item, kXPath, 1) = 0 Then
        NewPath = Replace(ExistingPath, ";" & kXPath, "", 1, -1, 1)
        oEnv("PATH") = NewPath
        Wscript.Echo "The kX directory has been removed from the PATH"
        WScript.Quit    
    End If
Next

Wscript.Echo "The kX directory was not found in the PATH"
WScript.Quit
As with the other script, the kXPath should reflect where kX was installed, etc.

Last edited by Russ; Feb 18, 2010 at 03:02 AM. Reason: modify script to check to see if kX is already in path --- add remove script
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Re: 5.10.0.3550 does not support Vienna SoundFont Studio?

Who knows, why there are ckicks during playback in audigy 2 zs notebook?
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Re: 5.10.0.3550 does not support Vienna SoundFont Studio?

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Who knows, why there are ckicks during playback in audigy 2 zs notebook?
Removing reverb plugins from the dsp may help.
Still, a2zsnb has a lot of issues;
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/bug-repo...ok-issues.html
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Re: 5.10.0.3550 does not support Vienna SoundFont Studio?

Thanks a lot for the link, Lex!
Disabling CPU Speed Step removes clicking in Audigy 2 zs notebook! ([COLOR=#93a5d8]samplehunter[/COLOR] 's method )
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Re: 5.10.0.3550 does not support Vienna SoundFont Studio?

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Here is a script (WSH/VBScript) to do it (might be easier for some people):

Code:
Dim ExistingPath, NewPath, CheckPath, kXPath
 
Set oShell = WScript.CreateObject("WScript.Shell")
Set oEnv = oShell.Environment("SYSTEM")
ExistingPath = oEnv("PATH")
CheckPath = split(ExistingPath, ";", -1)
 
kXPath = "C:\Program Files\kX Audio Driver\3550"
 
For Each Item In CheckPath
    If StrComp(Item, kXPath, 1) = 0 Then
        Wscript.Echo "The kX directory is already in the PATH"
        WScript.Quit    
    End If
Next
 
NewPath = ExistingPath & ";" & kXPath
oEnv("PATH") = NewPath
 
Wscript.Echo "The kX directory has been added to the PATH"
WScript.Quit
Note: The above probably needs to be run from an elevated cmd prompt in Vista/7.
Hi anybody:

I tried copying and pasteing that script (that Russ poasted in a thread he linked to above) into the Admin command promt, but it said "the command is not recognized.

I would like to use Vienna Soundfont Studio, but I get the error "There is no soundfont compatible device detected." when I try to open Vienna Soundfont Studio.

I would appreciate any help.
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Re: 5.10.0.3550 does not support Vienna SoundFont Studio?

If you want to use the script, then paste it into a text file and save it as whatever.vbs (it is vbscript). Normally you would just double click on the .VBS file to run it, but with Vista's UAC, it probably needs admin privileges, so you probably need to right click and choose Run as Administrator (or from admin command prompt, change to the directory where the VBS file is located and then type it's name to run it).

If the script doesn't work for you, then just do it manually as Tyrsonswood explained (find PATH under the "SYSTEM" (as opposed to "USER") environment variables, and paste the kX path to the end, preceded by a semicolon).
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Re: 5.10.0.3550 does not support Vienna SoundFont Studio?

Thanks for the attempt Russ.

There's no PATH name under the System Variables;there's just PATHEXT.

I tried pasteing the script to a txt file and renaming it with the .vbs extension, but when I doubleclick on it, I get a VBScript compilation error.
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Re: 5.10.0.3550 does not support Vienna SoundFont Studio?

Hmm, what is the error?

[EDIT]
Note: Make sure that you only copy/pasted the code itself (sometimes when copying text from this board, it seems to pick up text above or below what you intended to copy (so you may have an extra line or 2 in there).
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There should be a PATH system variable (unless something is different with x64 that I am not aware of). Try looking again, scroll as necessary until you find it.

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Re: 5.10.0.3550 does not support Vienna SoundFont Studio?

Hi Russ:

Thanks for holding my had through this.

Here's the error I get when I doubleclick the .vbs script:

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Script: C:\kXPATH.vbs
Line: 1
Char: 46
Error: Expected end of statement
Code: 800A0401
Source: Microsoft VBScript compilation error
This is what I pasted into the txt file and then saved as .vbs extension:

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Dim ExistingPath, NewPath, CheckPath, kXPath Set oShell = WScript.CreateObject("WScript.Shell") Set oEnv = oShell.Environment("SYSTEM") ExistingPath = oEnv("PATH") CheckPath = split(ExistingPath, ";", -1) kXPath = "C:\Program Files\kX Audio Driver\3550" For Each Item In CheckPath If StrComp(Item, kXPath, 1) = 0 Then Wscript.Echo "The kX directory is already in the PATH" WScript.Quit End If Next NewPath = ExistingPath & ";" & kXPath oEnv("PATH") = NewPath Wscript.Echo "The kX directory has been added to the PATH" WScript.Quit
There is only 14 entries under System Variables. The ones with Path in the name are "PSModulePath" and "PATHEXT."

I hope this info can help you help me better.

EDIT:

Another thing, which I don't know if it may be related. is that when I run DXDiag, I get a DXDiag error that says:

Quote:
Error: Problem getting extra sound info
That error pops up a little after half way through the DXDiag window loading.
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Re: 5.10.0.3550 does not support Vienna SoundFont Studio?

You do not have any line breaks in there. That would certainly cause the error you are getting. Is your browser not showing it correctly (there should be 21 lines, some are blank lines), or did it just not copy/paste correctly?

As for PATH not being there.. I do not know, that seems strange, but (maybe it is hidden or something?)...

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Re: 5.10.0.3550 does not support Vienna SoundFont Studio?

OK Russ:

I made another txt file and made sure it looked like the script you posted. I counted 21 lines. Anyway, it worked. When I doubleclicked on the script, it gave me a message that says:

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The kX Directory is already in the PATH.
But if I try to run Vienna Soundfont Studio, I get an error message that says

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There is no soundfont compatible device detected. Please make sure that the device is inserted or installed in your system.
Vienna Soundfont Studio was installed to the Program Files (x86) directory, but kX driver is in the Program Files directory. Can that be the source of my problem?
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Re: 5.10.0.3550 does not support Vienna SoundFont Studio?

Oops, yes it is 21 lines .

As for "Program Files (x86)", yes that would be a problem, you should edit the following line such that it reflects the exact location where kX was installed on your system:

kXPath = "C:\Program Files\kX Audio Driver\3550"

Also, I am not sure if a reboot is necessary with Win 7 x64 for the changes to take effect.

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Ответ: 5.10.0.3550 does not support Vienna SoundFont Studio?

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Are we talking about 64-bit version of Windows?
If yes, i don't think Vienna will work with kX there - simply because it's a 32-bit application and requires 32-bit version of sfman32.dll (and kX has only 64-bit one - AFAICG).
I.e. it's the same story as with 32-on-64 ASIO.
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Re: 5.10.0.3550 does not support Vienna SoundFont Studio?

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kXPath is kXPath = "C:\Program Files\kX Audio Driver\3550"


It is Vienna that's installed in Program Files (x86). Do you understand what I'm saying?

The kX drivers are installed to: kXPath = "C:\Program Files\kX Audio Driver\3550"
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Are we talking about 64-bit version of Windows?
If yes, i don't think Vienna will work with kX there - simply because it's a 32-bit application and requires 32-bit version of sfman32.dll (and kX has only 64-bit one - AFAICG).
I.e. it's the same story as with 32-on-64 ASIO.

Thanks. Max, ole dear fellow. I'm afraid you're correct. I am running Windows 7 64 Bit.

Thanks for this post.

Is there anyway to recompile the sfman32.dll so it will be 64bit compatible?

As you can see, I'm just reaching out here for something that will work.

Or, is there any native 64bit software that can be used to edit soundfonts?

Does anyone know?
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Re: 5.10.0.3550 does not support Vienna SoundFont Studio?

Yes, I understand what you meant now. So you should be good as far as the kXPath goes anyway.

As for Vienna, I think Max is probably right (sorry, I hadn't thought about that).
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Ответ: 5.10.0.3550 does not support Vienna SoundFont Studio?

btw. i wonder what happens if you just copy this dll from 32-bit version of 3550. Most likely it will just crash (i don't think that all of those sfman functions are all mapped for 32-bit addressing), but who knows... AFAIK, kX's kernel API was somewhat prepared for such translation... what if? well, just a hackish thought .

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>Is there anyway to recompile the sfman32.dll so it will be 64bit compatible?

It's not a question of recompilation. It's a matter of providing a "translation" of every 32-bit user-level function call into corresponding 64-bit kernel functions. (and keeping "normal" 64-bit-user-level-stuff-to-64-bit-kernel-level-stuff operation at the same time).
Not impossible, but.. you know...
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Re: 5.10.0.3550 does not support Vienna SoundFont Studio?

Roger that, Max M.

However, I'm no longer running any 32 bit version of Windows.

It seems like the ability to edit soundfonts is fading away. I mean, yeah, there are still people using 32 bit versions of windows, but there's no soundfont editor that's native 64-Bit, at least, not that I know of.

It's a darn loss cause the soundfont format was a good one. Now, it seems samples in other formats have won the battle.

Anyway, thanks for your thoughts, Max.
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Re: 5.10.0.3550 does not support Vienna SoundFont Studio?

Cheer up! SoundFont is still alive ;-)
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Re: 5.10.0.3550 does not support Vienna SoundFont Studio?

kirillov:

Was it a 32bit operating system that you installed Vienna and the kX audio driver on?
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Re: 5.10.0.3550 does not support Vienna SoundFont Studio?

Yep, WinXP HE. Quite enough for making music.
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Re: 5.10.0.3550 does not support Vienna SoundFont Studio?

Thanks for the info.

Well, I reverted back to Creative drivers to see if Vienna worked, and it does.

It's no big wonder as I don't think Creative drivers are pruely native 64 Bit. I think they do the same as M-Audio does with their Delta 1010LT drivers for Vista 64 Bit. They make 'em 64 bit compatible, but they are not native 64 Bit.

Anyway, I guess soundfont editing is not fading away fast, but it's looking through a dark glass for anyone using the 64-Bit kX audio driver.
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Re: 5.10.0.3550 does not support Vienna SoundFont Studio?

I agree with you. It's a pity that Vienna is not supported by KX64 and that SoudFont technology is not supported properly on hardware level by Creative in recent driver revisions (SF's are played with terrible delay).
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Old Feb 18, 2010, 01:05 PM   #30
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Re: 5.10.0.3550 does not support Vienna SoundFont Studio?

Programs like Viena should still work.
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