Mark Colquitt

Hello all...I was hoping someone could help me with my ignorance! I use my Audigy 1 for recording music,multi-tracking. Yesterday (7/6/03) I installed the kx drivers and software (of which I am soooo thankfull for) however when I try to add a track to any of my material the other tracks bleed into my active new track and no matter how much I have read through the kx site I cant seem to figure this problem out.
Is it because I enabled direct recording? Primarily I use Digital Orchestrator Pro and Cubase SX.
I read on a different thread that multi tracking is only possible with asio drivers...can this really be true?
Please help me and thank you for being here.
Regards,
Mark Colquitt
Las Vegas NV

Doug W

Mark,

It is not true that multitrack recording is only possible with ASIO drivers.

I had the same problem and have seen it here listed several times. It was always recording as if WHAT U HEAR was enabled with the CREATIVE drivers. It was suggested that the problem was related to the KX DSP page and that I needed to change the cabling in there.

To make a long story short, I ended up reinstalling KX or maybe it was installing the next version, (can't remember). At any rate, that seemed to clear up the problem. Using the default DSP settings, I was able to do multitrack recording with a non-ASIO recording program.

What version of KX are you using?

Max M.

>I try to add a track to any of my material the other tracks bleed into my active new
>I had the same problem and have seen it here listed several times. It was always recording as if WHAT U HEAR was enabled

isn't it very obvious to guess?
Just open "recording" page of kxmixer and mute everything you don't want to be recorded...

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kato

It´s not always so obvious... I have AC97 muted in "recording" page of kx mixer
but can still record Line-in without problems. It´s to do with ASIO-ins I guess.

When I look at kx mixer and DSP I can guess what I´m doing, but wake me
up in the middle of the night and I couldn´t explain a thing...

(Ok I promise, I will read "kX Guide for Beginners" again tomorrow.)

Max M.

>It´s not always so obvious... I have AC97 muted in "recording" page of kx mixer
>but can still record Line-in without problems. It´s to do with ASIO-ins I guess.

Right... but it's not fair example.. :) When it goes to ASIO recording you are doing connections directly and cannot record source you don't want, right?
With obvious i mean... ok, you've found that when you are recording thre's something you don't whant gets recorded too... ok, so what will be your next step? reinstall driver? no, the normal procedure is to go to mixer and look what sources are selected for recording and select ones you want and deselect ones you don't want... how do you think mixer knows what sources you want to be recorded right now? should it scan your brain impulses? i think not... today you record line-in... tomorrow it will be mic-in and something else later...
is not it obviuose to go to mixer and just change recording sources?

right, kx is not so easy sometimes - e.g. different procedures for standard and asio recording etc... but does not it strange to hear:
>It was always recording as if WHAT U HEAR was enabled with the CREATIVE drivers ... I ended up reinstalling KX or maybe it was installing the next version

So do you reinstall drivers each time you need to switch from "What you hear" recording to "Line-In" recording and back? :)

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Max M.

Doug W
and yep, about "Multitrack Recording"

Typically this tirm is used when you record multiple sources to multiple tracks at once (e.g. guitar to first track, mic to second, synth to third and all that at the same moment of time)... And such thing can be done under "kx-compatible" cards only with asio interface... But when you are recording tracks one-by-one (e.g. guitar first, then mic, then synth) then it's ok - you can use any inteface for that (since you need only one recording channel at a moment and it is not "multitrack recording" - it's more like.. hmm.. "One Track Recording with Multitrack Editor" :).

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Doug W

My post about reinstalling KX wasn't meant to imply that it should be reinstalled every time that you can't figure something out.

After an update, the DSP page seemed to have no effect on my recording. Nothing I did would change how the recording worked, so I figured out that something got screwed up during the installation so I reinstalled and was able to record properly.

So I reinstalled after a day of trying to reconfigure the DSP page.

Doug W

Max M.

Yes, of course i understand - anyway it's not a perfect method to reinstall everything when something goes wrong... typecally "Reset Settings" (and "Reset Seetings") do the same thing...

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Mark Colquitt

Max...your kind of a snotty person ....yes?

Max M.

[this forum is not called "Let's discuss Max person", right?]

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Mark Colquitt

I just wonder why this forum must have sarcastic and uncomfortable tone. No offence...(although I am certain nonewas taken)

dfgdfgdf

I am having same problems as i mentioned in other thread. Max was nice enough to respond, but his advice didn't work for me. I need to do what the original poster wants- i record a track (cool edit pro), disable record on that track, enable record on track 2. When i start recording, everything that is on track one records to track 2.

In kx mixer record pane, master record level and wave recording level BOTH have to be up, otherwise i get no record signal to cool edit pro. I think someone was suggesting that turning just wave recording level down to 0 should fix it, but it just turns off the record signal to cool edit pro.

I'm trying to get this working for someone who is musician for a living. When i first installed the drivers, i'm absoloutly positively pretty sure that everything worked this way- i recorded a track, recorded a second track and the signal didn't bleed into the 2nd track. Mabye i changed a setting without realizing since then.. My simple mind doesn't seem to be able to figure it out. We have the same effect on his system- can't record the 2nd track without the 1st bleeding into it.

Anyways, what max mentioned makes sense to me, in the kx mixer master page, obviously you want wave turned up so you can hear yourself. His suggestion is to mute the wave in the recording section so that you can hear the audio that's playing onto track 2 but not record what's on track 1. But when i mute it (on the record page) cool edit shows (input meter) that there is no signal coming in. Turning up rec/wav level gives the signal.

Does anyone know what i might be doing wrong?

Max M.

> I think someone was suggesting that turning just wave recording level down to 0 should fix it, but it just turns off the record signal to cool edit pro.

wait... what source you are recording?

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dfgdfgdf

I'm using wave. I'm using an external midi keyboard to trigger vst plugins (software synths). The output of the software synths i'm guessing routes to wave on the mixer.

So we need to be able to hear a track (wave) and record a different track (wave) simultaneously without either track affecting the other.

Rob

dfgdfgdf

This was the reason i got the driver, i heard you can do it, but it's starting to look like you can't, it looks as if physically the hardware only exists to give you one path. I want to trigger a vst synth, which routes to wave, which apparently is the same wave route that gets recorded in terms of hardware. Seperate sound cards?

dfgdfgdf

Would be easier mabye to say that apparently, the wave pathway that the system plays when it plays a previously recorded track and the wave pathway that the vst synth outputs live are both routed to a record path, you can't have one record and the other not. Is that right?

Max M.

Ah, now that is clear... (Why did not you say that from the beggining?) You can route different sources to different channels and send only one of them to record... Well, check kxhelp for details... (Routing guide etc...)...

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dfgdfgdf

IS there anyone who is trying to use this driver for what i mentioned? I see no resposes, yet other people imply they have it working. I spent most of the past two days reading the docs, having a hard time understanding this tech stuff, but still, everything seems to imply it's possible, but nothing says literally one way or another..

Thanks
Robert

Max M.

Step-by-step guide?

Ok, here we go...

( i assume that you use ASIO interface for your VSTi playback)

1. Set CoolEdit to output to Wave 0/1 port.

2. Set your VST Synth (or Host when you run that VSTi from) to ASIO 0/1 ports (many hosts show them as one stereo port called ASIO 1)

3. Open kX Router. On left pane open ASIO node and select "kX Out 0" (this is where ASIO 0 from your VSTi comes to) on the right pane the first box (whith fader at maimum) is set to 0. Set it to 2 (this number means destination fxbus channel where signal from "kX Out 0" is send to).
No select "kX Out 1" (on the left pane) and set its destination to 3 (on right pane). Close kX Router.

That's it.

Now the "playback" level of your VSTi is controled with "MIDI Synth" fader on "Playback" page and recording level is controled by "Synth Recording Level" fader of "Recording" page (Yes, fxbuses 2/3 are used by default as output for SoundFont Synth, so i assume that you don't play SoundFonts in the same time or they will be recorded together with your VSTi too)

(of course) There're many other ways to carry out the discussed task (and most of them better then the one i just wrote) - but i just wanted to explain the base principle.

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>I spent most of the past two days reading the docs,
> having a hard time understanding this tech stuff, but still,
>everything seems to imply it's possible, but nothing says
>literally one way or another...

kX Help is intended to help you to _understand_ the principles of how kX works (modules, paths, routing, devices etc. etc. etc...)
You should understand that it (help) just cannot provide you with a step-by-step guide for each of billion problems (with billion possible ways to solve that problems).
It can't even have the list of what is possible and what is not just because there're billion things which are possible and there's the same amount of impossible stuff...
Well, this is just my suggestion of course.

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dfgdfgdf

Thanks for the detailed response. I had to leave town for work for a couple of days, but i'm going to give it a shot when i get home, can't wait. I'm also calling my friend back home who i'm supposed to be helping get this driver to work (as it turns out, looks like you're the one helping ). Thanks for taking the time!

Robert

dfgdfgdf

I tried this out the way you explained, it worked flawlessly. I have sort-of-kind of and idea what was happening and how it was working but i'll have to read alot more, this driver's obviously worth the time. I helped my friend follow these instructions and he asked me to tell you "thank's alot for spending so much time writing a step by step out for us to read". He is totally blown away.

Thanks so much!

Rob

maw2000

Hi, after having the same problem of the tracks bleeding to the new one after reinstalling my soundcard, and endless dead ends searching on the web, i finally found this... here is what fixed it for me..hope it works for you N-Track is AWESOME now that the bleed thru is gone. let me know if it works for anyone else

i’m having feedback problems (the tracks recorded after the first all contain the preceding tracks) A: Make sure you have selected the correct recording sources, and disabled all the other sources you are not using, in particular the Wave Out source. To do so:run the Windows Volume Control (Start Menu/Accessories/Multimedia (or Entertainment in Windows 98)). Chose the Options/Properties menu command, select your soundcard and click on the “Recording” radio button. In the options dialog box make also sure that all the relevant signals are not hidden: the dialog box shows a list of the sources the mixer will show, and sometimes important sources may be hidden by default. After you click on OK the mixer will show the view of all the recording controls. Now remove the checkmark below the level slider of all the sources you don't plan to use, or don't know what they are for. Usually you will only need Line In or Mic in. Some soundcards (such as some Gravis's) always record the wave output on one channel (left or right) so to avoid feedback is necessary to pan all output to the other channel.

D.Rano
nm156@maw2000.net
http://maw2000.net/nm156