Microphone Issue

Zexion · Aug 13, 2010, 12:03 AM

I'm having an issue with my microphone (line in, not usb) on Windows 7 64 Bit Before immediate closures to the thread and upset are made, Yes, I'm aware the topic is generic. Yes, I've read the guide. Yes, I've searched posts, and all of them are not explained correctly. It always ends in a 'I just enabled something and now it works like a treat', or such. I've enabled the mic already to where I can record in the mixer by muting the mic input and unmuting the Analog Recording gain, but my question is how I can make it become detected in programs that utilize microphone support, mainly for Skype, gaming, and chat related situations. Step by step, clear, and exactly what I need to do to ensure it is done smoothly. I'll place additional information and screenshots to assist.

Soundcard: Sound Blaster Live! 24 Bit Audio

Configuration Pics:
http://i35.tinypic.com/i74ugm.jpg
http://i35.tinypic.com/dwua1j.jpg

Any assistance is greatly appreciated, I don't want to be spending unneeded money on a new soundcard to appease Creative, or on a USB microphone.

RPGWiZaRD · Aug 13, 2010, 02:21 AM

Umm you said you have searched but I didn't see any reflections of that in those screens cuz then you'd have unmuted AC97 in Recording page and Mic volume in AC97 page. I also have a mic that connects to the mic-output rather than USB, works fine after unmuting those sliders. If you wanna test you can always raise AC97 in "ins and out" page to hear yourself in the speakers.

Zexion · Aug 13, 2010, 04:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD

Umm you said you have searched but I didn't see any reflections of that in those screens cuz then you'd have unmuted AC97 in Recording page and Mic volume in AC97 page. I also have a mic that connects to the mic-output rather than USB, works fine after unmuting those sliders. If you wanna test you can always raise AC97 in "ins and out" page to hear yourself in the speakers.

Earlier the configuration was set so I could hear myself in the speakers and that worked, but I'm trying to use it for chat purposes, so opposite people I'm speaking with can hear me, but not the other way around. For example playing a game online or in Skype: They can hear me but I can't; only sound on my end. I tried the configuration you suggested and that did not work. I had it earlier to where I could actually record, but my voice still wasn't coming up in said applications.

Edit: I raised the volume a bit with the configuration you suggested and I can hear my voice again, but I'm just perplexed as to how I can get others to hear me via Skype or whatever have you, but I cannot hear myself. I apologize if I'm being difficult, I just upgraded to Windows 7 and I'm furious with Creative for not being kind enough to provide the necessary drivers. If directions could be provided to the exact configuration I need to get the mic fixed I'd be grateful beyond words.

Russ · Aug 13, 2010, 07:06 PM

Your MIC should be connected to the cards Microphone In, not Line In (unless you have some external MIC pre-amp).

In your 1st picture, you have Line In selected as the AC97 Recording source, that should to be MIC (given the above).

In your 2nd picture, the AC97 Recording level is muted, thus you will not be able to record (which is how other people will be able to hear it) from the AC97 source that you selected (above).

Unmute the AC97 Recording Level slider and set the level to 0 dB.
Select MIC as the AC97 recording source.
Add Analog Recording Gain (must not be muted) and/or MIC Boost if necessary.

Zexion · Aug 13, 2010, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ

Your MIC should be connected to the cards Microphone In, not Line In (unless you have some external MIC pre-amp).

In your 1st picture, you have Line In selected as the AC97 Recording source, that should to be MIC (given the above).

In your 2nd picture, the AC97 Recording level is muted, thus you will not be able to record (which is how other people will be able to hear it) from the AC97 source that you selected (above).

Unmute the AC97 Recording Level slider and set the level to 0 dB.
Select MIC as the AC97 recording source.
Add Analog Recording Gain (must not be muted) and/or MIC Boost if necessary.

Thanks, your configuration worked and I appreciate your help. The only thing now is that I can hear my voice through the speakers (again). Is there a way to get rid of this? It would interfere with gaming. I did notice that I can lower the sound of the it through Mic boost, but I'm not sure if this will lower the sound of my own voice to those that hear me. If there's nothing that can be done I still thank you for your assistance (and clear at that.)

Edit: Never mind, I just muted the mic boost but left AC97 gain unmuted and it works fine. Thanks again.

RPGWiZaRD · Aug 13, 2010, 10:44 PM

You just have to mute AC97 slider in "Ins 'n' Outs" page NOT Recording page and the it will record so others can hear you but you don't hear yourself. You can then adjust mic volume however you want in the mic volume slider or the analog recording slider. I think kX Audio drivers are like too categorized for some people.

disk · Aug 14, 2010, 02:06 AM

Hi guys,

I've got a similar issue; hoping that someone can help me out. I believe I've got a Soundblaster Live! 5.1 (says SB0102 10ka [d000] in the bottom right on the mixer).

I've tried the settings given about, changing MIC to the recording source, and unmuting the AC97 recording level. But I can't get it to record.

If I unmute MIC IN under the mic boost option in the AC97 tab, I can hear myself through my headphones. Here's a screenshot of some settings, and also the sound properties window.

Thanks in advance!

Russ · Aug 14, 2010, 02:18 AM

Is this a MIC connected to the sound card, or are you referring to your USB Microphone? (kX settings have nothing to do with USB devices, as they have their own drivers).

disk · Aug 14, 2010, 02:21 AM

Yeah, there's an actual 3.5mm mic plugged in. The USB Mic works fine.

Russ · Aug 14, 2010, 02:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zexion

The only thing now is that I can hear my voice through the speakers...

Quote:

Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD

You just have to mute AC97 slider in "Ins 'n' Outs" page...

Also, Mic In on the AC97 page should be muted.

disk · Aug 14, 2010, 02:25 AM

Okay, I've done both those. Still nothing.

Russ · Aug 14, 2010, 02:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by disk

Yeah, there's an actual 3.5mm mic plugged in. The USB Mic works fine.

In your picture, Analog Recording Gain is muted, unmute that.
Also, the recording source is set to Line In, again, set it to MIC.

I know you said that you tried the above, but just to confirm (since your picture shows differently).

Beyond that:

Verify that your recording application is using the kX driver (if it is not using the Windows default) for recording.

You might try reinitializing the DSP.
You might try resetting AC97 (use the "Reset AC97" button on the AC97 page of kxmixer).
You might also try a "Reset Device Settings" (from the kX context menu).

disk · Aug 14, 2010, 02:37 AM

Thank you Russ! It's up and running now. Turns out it was just the Analog Recording Gain; everything else was alright. Sorry about that, my screenie was taken before I tried to change the settings to the things in the thread.

Thanks so much for your help!

Russ · Aug 14, 2010, 02:44 AM

Glad to help

BoyceO · Feb 10, 2011, 03:40 AM

I am new here, and after reading all the replies to this thread, "Microphone Issue," I was able to fix my mic. so that it is working properly. Thanks for the great help you provide for members of the forum.

Russ · Feb 10, 2011, 04:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyceO

I am new here, and after reading all the replies to this thread, "Microphone Issue," I was able to fix my mic. so that it is working properly. Thanks for the great help you provide for members of the forum.

Your welcome

Welcome to Hardware Heaven!

silvertones · Feb 10, 2011, 12:59 PM

I know this is a little off the subject but to me, and this is what I do, read LaMury's guide to using the DSP & how to create your own configurations. This extremely simplifies things. You can build and save each of these specific configs for recall. Then use the ProFx plugins and it's really quite easy.

jaromanda · Feb 10, 2011, 02:02 PM

do the profx plugins work with version 3551

I dont' think so, homey don't play dat

silvertones · Feb 10, 2011, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaromanda

do the profx plugins work with version 3551

I dont' think so, homey don't play dat

FYFI they do.

jaromanda · Feb 10, 2011, 08:43 PM

fyFi??? for your f???ing info?

is such language really necessary, especially when you are wrong?

edit: oh, you mean the bundled profx?

no, that doesn't work either

silvertones · Feb 10, 2011, 08:58 PM

No I didn't say that.
You had better explain to me then why I've been playing 4 nights a week in my solo band with KX and 3551 A & 3550 before that using 8 separate outs and using Profex plugins.

jaromanda · Feb 10, 2011, 10:03 PM

my mistake then ... must be something with windows 7 that screws up 3551

also, please excuse my misunderstanding of what FYFI means - I know FYI is "For Your Info", I assumed the second F was an expletive

silvertones · Feb 10, 2011, 10:16 PM

I'm using the same DSP setup with my XP & 7x64 machine. They're the Profex that are bundled with 3551A but work fine.

Tyrsonswood · Feb 10, 2011, 10:16 PM

What OS are each of you running.... That may help the conversation.

Russ · Feb 10, 2011, 10:31 PM

@silvertones
Your card (A2ZSNB) does not have AC97 codec, so you do not need to use ProFX:ADC (ProFX:AC97) to record from MIC. That is not the case for many people.

silvertones · Feb 10, 2011, 10:41 PM

Sorry Russ. I thought you guys were through with this thread so I had just made a comment that I thought if you built your own DSP config it may be easier to do things. Then it was said that ProFx doesn't work in 3551 and I said it did. Didn't mean to get this confused. I use mic/line 2

Russ · Feb 10, 2011, 10:54 PM

ProFX is good if you can use them... but, you really should not use the bundled version... (that version contained some minor bugs to begin with (and a big issue with AC97/ADC) and (AFAIK) have not been updated with some of the changes in kX (since something like kX version 3538h) ).

jaromanda · Feb 10, 2011, 11:21 PM

so the REAL (not bundled) ProFx works with 3551? in windows 7 32bit?

that's surprising

Russ · Feb 10, 2011, 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaromanda

so the REAL (not bundled) ProFx works with 3551? in windows 7 32bit?

that's surprising

I do not know (I have not tried 3551)... The 3550 version might work if there were no major changes to the kX API.

jaromanda · Feb 10, 2011, 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ

I do not know (I have not tried 3551)... The 3550 version might work if there were no major changes to the kX API.

Quote:

SDK changes:
...
1. Changed ‘char *’ to “const char *” in most places, some plugins might no longer load, need to update and re-compile them

- 3551 ALPHA released

looks like there could be an issue

Aug 13, 2010, 12:03 AM	#1
Zexion HardwareHeaven Newbie Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	Microphone Issue I'm having an issue with my microphone (line in, not usb) on Windows 7 64 Bit Before immediate closures to the thread and upset are made, Yes, I'm aware the topic is generic. Yes, I've read the guide. Yes, I've searched posts, and all of them are not explained correctly. It always ends in a 'I just enabled something and now it works like a treat', or such. I've enabled the mic already to where I can record in the mixer by muting the mic input and unmuting the Analog Recording gain, but my question is how I can make it become detected in programs that utilize microphone support, mainly for Skype, gaming, and chat related situations. Step by step, clear, and exactly what I need to do to ensure it is done smoothly. I'll place additional information and screenshots to assist. Soundcard: Sound Blaster Live! 24 Bit Audio Configuration Pics: http://i35.tinypic.com/i74ugm.jpg http://i35.tinypic.com/dwua1j.jpg Any assistance is greatly appreciated, I don't want to be spending unneeded money on a new soundcard to appease Creative, or on a USB microphone.

Aug 13, 2010, 02:21 AM	#2
RPGWiZaRD HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 132 Rep Power: 0	Re: Microphone Issue Umm you said you have searched but I didn't see any reflections of that in those screens cuz then you'd have unmuted AC97 in Recording page and Mic volume in AC97 page. I also have a mic that connects to the mic-output rather than USB, works fine after unmuting those sliders. If you wanna test you can always raise AC97 in "ins and out" page to hear yourself in the speakers.

Aug 13, 2010, 07:06 PM	#4
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,563 Rep Power: 62	Re: Microphone Issue Your MIC should be connected to the cards Microphone In, not Line In (unless you have some external MIC pre-amp). In your 1st picture, you have Line In selected as the AC97 Recording source, that should to be MIC (given the above). In your 2nd picture, the AC97 Recording level is muted, thus you will not be able to record (which is how other people will be able to hear it) from the AC97 source that you selected (above). Unmute the AC97 Recording Level slider and set the level to 0 dB. Select MIC as the AC97 recording source. Add Analog Recording Gain (must not be muted) and/or MIC Boost if necessary. Last edited by Russ; Aug 13, 2010 at 07:14 PM.

Aug 13, 2010, 10:44 PM	#6
RPGWiZaRD HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 132 Rep Power: 0	Re: Microphone Issue You just have to mute AC97 slider in "Ins 'n' Outs" page NOT Recording page and the it will record so others can hear you but you don't hear yourself. You can then adjust mic volume however you want in the mic volume slider or the analog recording slider. I think kX Audio drivers are like too categorized for some people.

Aug 14, 2010, 02:06 AM	#7
disk HardwareHeaven Newbie Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 4 Rep Power: 0	Re: Microphone Issue Hi guys, I've got a similar issue; hoping that someone can help me out. I believe I've got a Soundblaster Live! 5.1 (says SB0102 10ka [d000] in the bottom right on the mixer). I've tried the settings given about, changing MIC to the recording source, and unmuting the AC97 recording level. But I can't get it to record. If I unmute MIC IN under the mic boost option in the AC97 tab, I can hear myself through my headphones. Here's a screenshot of some settings, and also the sound properties window. Thanks in advance! Attached Thumbnails

Aug 14, 2010, 02:18 AM	#8
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,563 Rep Power: 62	Re: Microphone Issue Is this a MIC connected to the sound card, or are you referring to your USB Microphone? (kX settings have nothing to do with USB devices, as they have their own drivers).

Aug 14, 2010, 02:21 AM	#9
disk HardwareHeaven Newbie Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 4 Rep Power: 0	Re: Microphone Issue Yeah, there's an actual 3.5mm mic plugged in. The USB Mic works fine.

Aug 14, 2010, 02:25 AM	#11
disk HardwareHeaven Newbie Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 4 Rep Power: 0	Re: Microphone Issue Okay, I've done both those. Still nothing.

Aug 14, 2010, 02:37 AM	#13
disk HardwareHeaven Newbie Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 4 Rep Power: 0	Re: Microphone Issue Thank you Russ! It's up and running now. Turns out it was just the Analog Recording Gain; everything else was alright. Sorry about that, my screenie was taken before I tried to change the settings to the things in the thread. Thanks so much for your help!

Aug 14, 2010, 02:44 AM	#14
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,563 Rep Power: 62	Re: Microphone Issue Glad to help

Feb 10, 2011, 03:40 AM	#15
BoyceO God's Servant Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Chattanooga, TN Posts: 1 Rep Power: 0	Re: Microphone Issue I am new here, and after reading all the replies to this thread, "Microphone Issue," I was able to fix my mic. so that it is working properly. Thanks for the great help you provide for members of the forum.

Feb 10, 2011, 12:59 PM	#17
silvertones HardwareHeaven Addict Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 283 Rep Power: 39	Re: Microphone Issue I know this is a little off the subject but to me, and this is what I do, read LaMury's guide to using the DSP & how to create your own configurations. This extremely simplifies things. You can build and save each of these specific configs for recall. Then use the ProFx plugins and it's really quite easy.

Feb 10, 2011, 02:02 PM	#18
jaromanda HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 138 Rep Power: 33 System Specs	Re: Microphone Issue do the profx plugins work with version 3551 I dont' think so, homey don't play dat __________________ Feed your head.

Feb 10, 2011, 08:43 PM	#20
jaromanda HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 138 Rep Power: 33 System Specs	Re: Microphone Issue fyFi??? for your f???ing info? is such language really necessary, especially when you are wrong? edit: oh, you mean the bundled profx? no, that doesn't work either __________________ Feed your head. Last edited by jaromanda; Feb 10, 2011 at 10:08 PM.

Feb 10, 2011, 08:58 PM	#21
silvertones HardwareHeaven Addict Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 283 Rep Power: 39	Re: Microphone Issue No I didn't say that. You had better explain to me then why I've been playing 4 nights a week in my solo band with KX and 3551 A & 3550 before that using 8 separate outs and using Profex plugins.

Feb 10, 2011, 10:03 PM	#22
jaromanda HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 138 Rep Power: 33 System Specs	Re: Microphone Issue my mistake then ... must be something with windows 7 that screws up 3551 also, please excuse my misunderstanding of what FYFI means - I know FYI is "For Your Info", I assumed the second F was an expletive __________________ Feed your head. Last edited by jaromanda; Feb 10, 2011 at 10:08 PM.

Feb 10, 2011, 10:16 PM	#23
silvertones HardwareHeaven Addict Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 283 Rep Power: 39	Re: Microphone Issue I'm using the same DSP setup with my XP & 7x64 machine. They're the Profex that are bundled with 3551A but work fine.

Feb 10, 2011, 10:31 PM	#25
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,563 Rep Power: 62	Re: Microphone Issue @silvertones Your card (A2ZSNB) does not have AC97 codec, so you do not need to use ProFX:ADC (ProFX:AC97) to record from MIC. That is not the case for many people.

Feb 10, 2011, 10:41 PM	#26
silvertones HardwareHeaven Addict Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 283 Rep Power: 39	Re: Microphone Issue Sorry Russ. I thought you guys were through with this thread so I had just made a comment that I thought if you built your own DSP config it may be easier to do things. Then it was said that ProFx doesn't work in 3551 and I said it did. Didn't mean to get this confused. I use mic/line 2

Feb 10, 2011, 10:54 PM	#27
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,563 Rep Power: 62	Re: Microphone Issue ProFX is good if you can use them... but, you really should not use the bundled version... (that version contained some minor bugs to begin with (and a big issue with AC97/ADC) and (AFAIK) have not been updated with some of the changes in kX (since something like kX version 3538h) ). Last edited by Russ; Feb 11, 2011 at 11:09 PM.

Feb 10, 2011, 11:21 PM	#28
jaromanda HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 138 Rep Power: 33 System Specs	Re: Microphone Issue so the REAL (not bundled) ProFx works with 3551? in windows 7 32bit? that's surprising __________________ Feed your head.