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I have searched high & low for an answer
Using 3550 with an A2ZSNB. I wanted 4 pairs of outs. I bought the cable from creative. What ever out I route to the side outs in K2lt do not make any sound. I have noticed though that wav out 4,5 go DIRECTLY to the side out jacks as if they have bypassed the DSP.So I sort of get 4 pairs of outs it's just that I can't add anything to outs 4,5 in the DSP
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Oct 17, 2010, 12:44 PM
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This is driving me crazy. No matter what wav out I assign to the side outs of k2lt I get no sound. I no the side outs on the physical cable work because if I use wav 4,5 in my recording app i get sound BUT it comes directly through the DSP .
SOMEONE PLEASE SHED SOME LIGHT. THANKS |
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Oct 18, 2010, 06:53 AM
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Re: I have searched high & low for an answer
perhaps the problem is with the HARDWARE, so no amount of coding will change that
just a thought, there's a couple of other threads with exactly the same issue being discussed
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Oct 18, 2010, 02:31 PM
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Re: I have searched high & low for an answer
Yea and I've been at those as well. KX seems to be falling by the wayside. As the equipment goes too far out of date they seem to move on to something else. Oh well I can get what I want sort of. Thanks
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Oct 18, 2010, 11:18 PM
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Re: I have searched high & low for an answer
Have you tried using epilog instead of K2lt ?
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Oct 19, 2010, 12:56 PM
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Re: I have searched high & low for an answer
Yes in fact that's what I was using until someone mention k2_lt. It's really strange.
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Oct 25, 2010, 02:22 PM
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Re: I have searched high & low for an answer
Someone?
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Oct 28, 2010, 03:01 PM
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Re: I have searched high & low for an answer
I have a buddy who's always searching high and low, too. He's a mountain climber and deep sea diver, and he always brings back interesting stuff from his excursions. Once I asked him, what is it about searching high and low that appeals to you so and he answered "well, I can be on middle ground any day".
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Re: I have searched high & low for an answer
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Oct 29, 2010, 09:47 AM
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Re: I have searched high & low for an answer
Cool down, I´m sure it was a joke.
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Oct 29, 2010, 12:28 PM
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Re: I have searched high & low for an answer
I'm not hot just replying to the inappropriate response with another inappropriate response.
This Forum has usually been all business and I like that. I am frustrated though that I can't figure this out. I don't know enough to make a judgment that this is how this card works. |
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Oct 29, 2010, 12:48 PM
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Re: I have searched high & low for an answer
Moral: Use descriptive topic titles and you'll get helpful answers.
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Oct 29, 2010, 01:04 PM
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Re: I have searched high & low for an answer
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Re: I have searched high & low for an answer
i think that (probably) not enough people have (both) one of these cards, and the necessary cable to test 7.1 output, thus such problems still persist (i.e. not enough testing/feedback) and it is probably why you are not getting many replies.
Has anyone else confirmed that audio to Wave 4/5 appears at the side outputs regardless of the DSP config? Does the signal completely bypass the DSP (i.e. do you get a signal from FxBus 4/5?). Have you tried using the Wave Generator plugin (instead of the Wave Outs) to test the outputs? e.g. Clear the DSP, and load only the Wave Generator plugin and epilog, and test each pair of outputs. If you you are unable to get audio at the side outs, you might also try loading epilog_lt, and test with it to see if you can find out which outputs correspond to the side outputs. Has anyone posted a bug report about this specific issue? Without a bug report, Eugene may not even be aware of the issue. Last edited by Russ; Oct 30, 2010 at 11:49 PM. Reason: typo |
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Re: I have searched high & low for an answer
Russ I really appreciate the response. Now to answer your questions.
1. wav 4,5 appear at the side outs regardless of the DSP config. Even cleared. 2. With wav generator to epilog no output from side outs. 3. With wav generator to epilog_ltk2 I do get output from the sides. So IF wav 4,5 didn't bypass the DSP it appears that I could use epilog_ltk2. |
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Oct 30, 2010, 01:53 PM
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With Russ' help I now have a work around. Using epiloglt_k2 the first 8 outputs correspond to the 8 physical outputs. In my set up only 3 pairs of wav outs are used. I just have eliminated wav 4,5.Here's the layout
4000,4001 = line2/mic2 in = effects return to hard ware mixer 4002,4003 = wav 0,1 = band 4004,4005 = wav 2,3 = Kick Drum 4006,4007 = wav 6,7 = Drums So now I can add effects to all the wav outs and just ignore 4,5. |
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Re: I have searched high & low for an answer
Glad I could offer some help
 Did you test all of the pins (except the recording stuff of course) on epilog or only some of them? I think all of those outputs should be available in epilog. e.g. If I understand correctly, it seems it is using the digital outs + headphones (I think the A2 Value has/had? a similar issue). Try pins 2/3, 4/5, 6/7, and 8/9 on epilog. I suspect that the headphones output (pins 6/7) might be your side outputs. Also, regarding Wave 4/5: When testing make sure your audio is completely stopped (close your audio application), before trying different DSP configs, as some connections may remain while the audio stream is active (even though they would appear to be disconnected in the DSP). Also, testing with a clear DSP does not necessarily work as you expect it would. It would probably be better to just disconnect all connections from epilog and test that way. Also, you did not state if the signal from 4/5 ever enters the DSP (i.e. if you connect a peak plugin to FxBus 4/5, do you see signal from Wave 4/5? What about ASIO 4/5? Does it act the same as Wave 4/5? Last edited by Russ; Oct 30, 2010 at 11:51 PM. Reason: typo |
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Maybe if the side outs were unhardwire to wav4,5 they may begin to function. Something for Eugene I guess. Would love to see the ProFX kxlt work. |
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OK, the wave 4/5 thing probably just has something to do with having the wrong outputs (e.g. registers that do not belong and/or missing one's in epilog, etc), making it act up.
If you have a chance, can you post the code that epilog is using with your card? (choose edit on epilog, and post what is below "; Code") In any case, your workaround should get you by for a bit Post a bug report when you have the chance... |
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Oct 30, 2010, 09:47 PM
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How and were do I post a bug report?
p { margin-bottom: 0.08in; } Code:
; Code
macs tmpl, 0x0, out0, out0vol;
macsn tmpl, 0x0, tmpl, MasterL;
macints KX_OUT(0x0), 0x0, tmpl, 0x10;
macs tmpr, 0x0, out1, out1vol;
macsn tmpr, 0x0, tmpr, MasterR;
macints KX_OUT(0x1), 0x0, tmpr, 0x10;
macs tmpl, 0x0, out2, out2vol;
macsn tmpl, 0x0, tmpl, MasterL;
macints KX_OUT(0x2), 0x0, tmpl, 0x10;
macs tmpr, 0x0, out3, out3vol;
macsn tmpr, 0x0, tmpr, MasterR;
macints KX_OUT(0x3), 0x0, tmpr, 0x10;
acc3 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0;
macs tmpl, 0x0, out4, out4vol;
macsn tmpl, 0x0, tmpl, MasterL;
macints KX_OUT(0x4), 0x0, tmpl, 0x10;
macs tmpr, 0x0, out5, out5vol;
macsn tmpr, 0x0, tmpr, MasterR;
macints KX_OUT(0x5), 0x0, tmpr, 0x10;
macs tmpl, 0x0, out6, out6vol;
macsn tmpl, 0x0, tmpl, MasterL;
macints KX_OUT(0x6), 0x0, tmpl, 0x10;
macs tmpr, 0x0, out7, out7vol;
macsn tmpr, 0x0, tmpr, MasterR;
macints KX_OUT(0x7), 0x0, tmpr, 0x10;
macs tmpl, 0x0, out8, out8vol;
macsn tmpl, 0x0, tmpl, MasterL;
macints KX_OUT(0x8), 0x0, tmpl, 0x10;
macs tmpr, 0x0, out9, out9vol;
macsn tmpr, 0x0, tmpr, MasterR;
macints KX_OUT(0x9), 0x0, tmpr, 0x10;
macints KX_OUT(0x28), 0x0, tmpl, 0x10;
macints KX_OUT(0x29), 0x0, tmpr, 0x10;
macs tmpl, 0x0, out17, out17vol;
macsn tmpl, 0x0, tmpl, MasterL;
macints KX_OUT(0x11), 0x0, tmpl, 0x10;
macs tmpr, 0x0, out18, out18vol;
macsn tmpr, 0x0, tmpr, MasterR;
macints KX_OUT(0x12), 0x0, tmpr, 0x10;
macs tmpl, 0x0, out30, out30vol;
macsn tmpl, 0x0, tmpl, MasterL;
macints KX_OUT(0x30), 0x0, tmpl, 0x10;
macs tmpr, 0x0, out31, out31vol;
macsn tmpr, 0x0, tmpr, MasterR;
macints KX_OUT(0x31), 0x0, tmpr, 0x10;
macs KX_OUT(0x20), 0x0, 0x0, 0x0;
macs KX_OUT(0x21), 0x0, 0x0, 0x0;
macs KX_OUT(0x72), 0x0, 0x0, 0x0;
macs KX_OUT(0x73), 0x0, 0x0, 0x0;
macs KX_OUT(0x74), 0x0, 0x0, 0x0;
macs KX_OUT(0x75), 0x0, 0x0, 0x0;
macints KX_FX2(0x1), 0x0, asio0, 0x4;
macintw tmpl, 0x0, asio0, shr14;
macwn KX_FX2(0x0), tmpl, tmpl, 0x80000000;
macints KX_FX2(0x3), 0x0, asio1, 0x4;
macintw tmpl, 0x0, asio1, shr14;
macwn KX_FX2(0x2), tmpl, tmpl, 0x80000000;
macints KX_FX2(0x5), 0x0, asio2, 0x4;
macintw tmpl, 0x0, asio2, shr14;
macwn KX_FX2(0x4), tmpl, tmpl, 0x80000000;
macints KX_FX2(0x7), 0x0, asio3, 0x4;
macintw tmpl, 0x0, asio3, shr14;
macwn KX_FX2(0x6), tmpl, tmpl, 0x80000000;
macints KX_FX2(0x9), 0x0, asio4, 0x4;
macintw tmpl, 0x0, asio4, shr14;
macwn KX_FX2(0x8), tmpl, tmpl, 0x80000000;
macints KX_FX2(0xb), 0x0, asio5, 0x4;
macintw tmpl, 0x0, asio5, shr14;
macwn KX_FX2(0xa), tmpl, tmpl, 0x80000000;
macints KX_FX2(0xd), 0x0, asio6, 0x4;
macintw tmpl, 0x0, asio6, shr14;
macwn KX_FX2(0xc), tmpl, tmpl, 0x80000000;
macints KX_FX2(0xf), 0x0, asio7, 0x4;
macintw tmpl, 0x0, asio7, shr14;
macwn KX_FX2(0xe), tmpl, tmpl, 0x80000000;
macints KX_FX2(0x11), 0x0, asio8, 0x4;
macintw tmpl, 0x0, asio8, shr14;
macwn KX_FX2(0x10), tmpl, tmpl, 0x80000000;
macints KX_FX2(0x13), 0x0, asio9, 0x4;
macintw tmpl, 0x0, asio9, shr14;
macwn KX_FX2(0x12), tmpl, tmpl, 0x80000000;
macints KX_FX2(0x15), 0x0, asio10, 0x4;
macintw tmpl, 0x0, asio10, shr14;
macwn KX_FX2(0x14), tmpl, tmpl, 0x80000000;
macints KX_FX2(0x17), 0x0, asio11, 0x4;
macintw tmpl, 0x0, asio11, shr14;
macwn KX_FX2(0x16), tmpl, tmpl, 0x80000000;
macints KX_FX2(0x19), 0x0, asio12, 0x4;
macintw tmpl, 0x0, asio12, shr14;
macwn KX_FX2(0x18), tmpl, tmpl, 0x80000000;
macints KX_FX2(0x1b), 0x0, asio13, 0x4;
macintw tmpl, 0x0, asio13, shr14;
macwn KX_FX2(0x1a), tmpl, tmpl, 0x80000000;
macints KX_FX2(0x1d), 0x0, asio14, 0x4;
macintw tmpl, 0x0, asio14, shr14;
macwn KX_FX2(0x1c), tmpl, tmpl, 0x80000000;
macints KX_FX2(0x1f), 0x0, asio15, 0x4;
macintw tmpl, 0x0, asio15, shr14;
macwn KX_FX2(0x1e), tmpl, tmpl, 0x80000000;
macs tmpl, RecL, KX_IN(0x0), RecIn0;
macs tmpl, tmpl, KX_IN(0x2), RecIn2;
macs tmpl, tmpl, KX_IN(0x4), RecIn4;
macs tmpl, tmpl, KX_IN(0x6), RecIn6;
macs tmpl, tmpl, KX_IN(0x8), RecIn8;
macs tmpl, tmpl, KX_IN(0xa), RecIn10;
macs tmpl, tmpl, KX_IN(0xc), RecIn12;
macs tmpr, RecR, KX_IN(0x1), RecIn1;
macs tmpr, tmpr, KX_IN(0x3), RecIn3;
macs tmpr, tmpr, KX_IN(0x5), RecIn5;
macs tmpr, tmpr, KX_IN(0x7), RecIn7;
macs tmpr, tmpr, KX_IN(0x9), RecIn9;
macs tmpr, tmpr, KX_IN(0xb), RecIn11;
macs tmpr, tmpr, KX_IN(0xd), RecIn13;
macsn tmpl, 0x0, tmpl, RecLVol;
macsn tmpr, 0x0, tmpr, RecRVol;
macints KX_OUT(0xa), 0x0, tmpl, 0x4;
macints KX_OUT(0xb), 0x0, tmpr, 0x4;
acc3 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0;
acc3 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0;
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Re: I have searched high & low for an answer
The Bug Reports thread is probably the only place where you can be sure that Eugene will (eventually) read every post.
Bug reports for 3550 go here: 3550 bug reports You could probably also use this following thread for A2ZSNB specific issues: a2 zs notebook issues Just post a description of the issue, and any workarounds, etc. Include kX version info (including 32 bit/64 bit), and OS info (if relevant), etc. e.g. Card Info (e.g. Audigy 2 ZS Notebook) kX Version info (e.g. 3550 32 bit) OS info (e.g. Windows XP Professional SP3 (32 bit)) Description of issue: Unable to route audio to the side outputs when using epilog (note that you tried each pair of outputs on epilog). State whether any of the other outputs on epilog are mislabeled for your card. Workarounds: Explain that you are able to access the side outputs using epiloglt_k2 (you should probably note which pairs of pins correspond with each output, etc) . Also note that audio from Wave 4/5 appears at the side outputs regardless of DSP config when using epilog (even with nothing connected to epilog), but not when using epiloglt_k2, etc. Basically a summary of what you figured out here, with only the (what you think is) relevant info. Last edited by Russ; Oct 30, 2010 at 11:31 PM. |
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Re: I have searched high & low for an answer
Russ here's something odd.
Once I draw connections to epiloglt_k2 I can't disconnect them. If I shut down the computer when KX reinitializes the connections to epiloglt_k2 are missing. If I load the saved setup same thing. Connections to epiloglt_k2 are missing. Strange. Give it a try. BTW things are working great though. I play music live with this setup. I do a one man band. |
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That is a known issue with those plugins.
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Îòâåò: I have searched high & low for an answer
silvertones,
thanks for running all these tests. I would like to ask you for some confirmations: when using epiloglt_k2: are 'missing' outputs connected this way? 4004=SL 4005=SR clear the dsp, load fxbus, load 'st.vol' plugin, load 'epiloglt_k2' plugin. connect them and verify sound output on your side outputs. after you got them working, dump the whole dsp config by using kxctrl (-md or smth like that, I don't remember), post your dump here pls send me an e-mail after you post your results E. |
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Yes I've been using the side outs already with epiloglt_k2.
p { margin-bottom: 0.08in; } Code:
; Generated by kX DSP Editor - microcode dump
name "epiloglt_k2";
copyright "Copyright (c) Eugene Gavrilov, 2003-2004.";
; NOTE The present DSP microcode dump is protected by the
; license agreement bundled with the appropriate software
; package containing this microcode,
; regardless the particular copyright notice is present in the dump.
engine "kX";
created "05/11/2003";
guid "f88a3e59-ed54-4fb6-9b7d-4e213ed150f2";
; Registers
input spdif0_l, spdif0_r, spdif1_l;
input spdif1_r, spdif2_l, spdif2_r;
input spdif3_l, spdif3_r, i2s0_l;
input i2s0_r, i2s1_l, i2s1_r;
input i2s2_l, i2s2_r, i2s3_l;
input i2s3_r, ac97_l, ac97_r;
input ac97_sl, ac97_sr, ac97_c;
input ac97_lfe, recl, recr;
input rec_mic, asio0, asio1;
input asio2, asio3, asio4;
input asio5, asio6, asio7;
input asio8, asio9, asio10;
input asio11, asio12, asio13;
input asio14, asio15
; Code
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nope, that's not the dump I need
you need to use kxctrl.exe program and grab its output (run from the command prompt kxctrl w/o parameters, it will print the help. find the command responsible for dumping microcode (full dump), probably -md and run kxctrl -md > output.txt E. |
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md is to disable the microcode
mo is to dump microcode <with opcodes> -mo is an invalid command If I type in: Code:
mo 10k8 I can't get it to a txt file however. Sorry I'm a little green at this and I have a system that I rely on for playing in public as my job and can't take a chance messing it up. If you or someone can be more specific on how to get the info you need that would be very helpful. Last edited by silvertones; Nov 10, 2010 at 01:49 PM. |
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Re: I have searched high & low for an answer
possibly
kxctrl -da > output.txt
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Sorry but "possibly" not allowed. I can't take the chance. I play music live with this setup & have commitments.
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Anyone know how to do what Eugene has asked me to do?
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