8 analog inputs with 2 SBLive!+Live Drive... It is possible?

vonhaegenbach · Jan 21, 2004, 05:44 PM

I was thinking in recording drums with one mic/channel per element of the kit, and replacing the tracks with drumagog. That method don't require a great sound quality, only the minimum enough to trigger the samples, so you can use the "bad" mic input. It is possible to wire 2 SBlive + a Live! Drive???, so you can get 8 analog ins???
SB Live nº 1: 1 stereo line in + 1 mic in (3 inputs)
SB Live nº 2: other 3 inputs
Live Drive: 2 line ins more

Total:8 ins

kokoon · Jan 21, 2004, 06:48 PM

8 stereo or 8 mono?

**dj_stick** · Jan 26, 2004, 03:40 AM

you would have to use digital outputs from one card to the second, but there would be no timing sync, but it is still possible
use the live with the live-drive connected as the master, and then have the s/pdif outputs of the slave live connected to the live-drive's aud_ext sp/dif inputs, i think that is the most likely way to get it to work

TravelRec. · Jan 27, 2004, 07:21 AM

Hi!

For Live! cards it´s impossible to use Line in and Mic in seperately, so you only can get 2 analog mono (or one stereo pair) per card. This will only change by using the digital inputs (CD-SPDIF + SPDIF1 + SPDIF2) and external A/D converters; so you can have 8 monos with a single card. Unfortunately no other way!

Greetings!

TravelRec.

45er · Feb 1, 2004, 07:48 AM

Hi, Travelrec,

Do you know of good external A/D converter or mixer for this purpose.

If it is possible to get 5.1 signal from the spdif out
why are the spdif only stereo (is this just convention)?

Regards

kokoon · Feb 1, 2004, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TravelRec.
Hi!

For Live! cards it´s impossible to use Line in and Mic in seperately, so you only can get 2 analog mono (or one stereo pair) per card. This will only change by using the digital inputs (CD-SPDIF + SPDIF1 + SPDIF2) and external A/D converters; so you can have 8 monos with a single card. Unfortunately no other way!

Greetings!

TravelRec.

why are you saying this? ofcourse you can use them separately. just route them to asio.

its really easy to get 8 mono with 1 live + 1 livedrive. one live with a livedrive connected to it has 6 monos - line1, mic1 - both on the card. on the drive: line2, mic2. if you have antoher live, you can use its line1 for adc by connect that card's spdif OUT to livedrive's spidif IN.

i know it works cause i have it done this way.

and the livedrive's adc's are MUCH better than the ones on the cards.

**dj_stick** · Feb 2, 2004, 01:38 AM

to use multiple AC-97 in devices you have to use digital output only mode

45er · Feb 2, 2004, 05:53 AM

Hi,

I've a Sb live 5.1 and to live value cards.
To get six mono channels i can put all cards in one machine.

Right
Timing issues aside thats ok for live recording in principle.

What if i want to get more channels without a live drive?
( as i cant seem to buy one separately new or second hand in Australia )

Could i get another live 5.1 card and use the digital inputs (CD-SPDIF + SPDIF1 + SPDIF2) and external A/D converters
on each to get 12 channels indidital mode only!

If this is the way does anyon know of some hardware that i can use that woud give 12 channels of a/d conversion
and would take a digital in to that could be converted back to analog for playback / monitoring?

or a to give 6 channels of a/d conversion to work with one sb live 5.1

obviously the idea is to record live /mix live a duo or three piece
you get my drift...

any success stories out there.....

Regards 45er

TravelRec. · Feb 4, 2004, 06:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by kokoon
why are you saying this? ofcourse you can use them separately. just route them to asio.

its really easy to get 8 mono with 1 live + 1 livedrive. one live with a livedrive connected to it has 6 monos - line1, mic1 - both on the card. on the drive: line2, mic2. if you have antoher live, you can use its line1 for adc by connect that card's spdif OUT to livedrive's spidif IN.

i know it works cause i have it done this way.

and the livedrive's adc's are MUCH better than the ones on the cards.

Hi kokoon!

Yes, you are right - not seen there´s a livedrive available - it´s just like an external A/D... Sorry my mistake - all my comments are for a "naked" card without any -drives. Thanks for opening my eyes

!

Greetings!

TravelRec.

Toadly_Ossum · Jul 12, 2004, 06:05 AM

So let me get this straight.. Im only interested now in mono analog inputs. I have a Live 5.1 without the live drive.

With a SB Live without a live drive you have only 2 mono inputs that can be routed into asio host, either L/R mic1 or line1 thru ac97,correct?

With a Sb Live with a live drive you can have 4 mono inputs, the L/R of Mic1/Line1, AND the L/R of the live drive's L/R Mic2/Line2 input, Correct?

If im correct so far, the next question, can i find the pins on the EXT connector for Mic2/Line2 and use those for the 2 extra mono inputs? without having to find a live drive? or build a converter or anything?

Thanks

**dj_stick** · Jul 12, 2004, 06:09 AM

toadly - you also have the AUX2 ins aswell - unless you have the original live drive

Toadly_Ossum · Jul 12, 2004, 06:19 AM

DJ Stick im confused,

Im looking at my Prolog and there are all my physical inputs correct? I dont have a live drive, or the slot connector thingy, with the spdif and mini midi connector. I just have the live card with line in, and mic in which cannot be used at the same time for seperate mono inputs, correct?

I see mic2/line2 and aux2 on prolog, but where ARE these inputs? I thought they were all on the EXT connector? how can I use these for seperate ASIO inputs?

**dj_stick** · Jul 12, 2004, 07:01 AM

ok you either get a Live! Drive or you can use travelrec's analogue to s/pdif converter project

TravelRec. · Jul 12, 2004, 07:06 AM

Hi dj!

He don´t want to build a converter, he said

...

TravelRec.

**dj_stick** · Jul 12, 2004, 07:09 AM

well in that case the only way for him is to buy a converter/live! drive/other card

TravelRec. · Jul 12, 2004, 07:44 AM

Yes, unfortunately - maybe this is also a bit ceaper, if it´s a used one, but he never will get that feeling, if a self-made converter will go alive

!

Greetings!

TravelRec.

P.S. Hey dj - what´s with your components? On the way now...

?

**dj_stick** · Jul 12, 2004, 07:46 AM

i've been really busy the past few weeks over the holidyas - go back t oschool tomorrow so i can find out from the teacher then - but until- i get word i can't do anything

TravelRec. · Jul 12, 2004, 07:51 AM

If so....

then I wish you all the best for it. And have a nice time by learnig more about everything (why the shool is starting on tuesday???).

Greetings!

TravelRec.

P.S. Try to get more sleep

at night for the next time - 6 hours are not enough

!!!

**dj_stick** · Jul 12, 2004, 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TravelRec.
If so....

then I wish you all the best for it. And have a nice time by learnig more about everything (why the shool is starting on tuesday???).

Greetings!

TravelRec.

P.S. Try to get more sleep at night for the next time - 6 hours are not enough !!!

my school is very strange in its time structure… anyway off to prison i go tomorrow
EDIT: btw, by prison i mena my school looks like a prison

Toadly_Ossum · Jul 12, 2004, 06:25 PM

I may be interested in making SPDIF converter at some point in the future. But 1st I need to get the existing analogs working

TravelRec. · Jul 13, 2004, 06:21 AM

Quote:

anyway off to prison i go tomorrow
EDIT: btw, by prison i mena my school looks like a prison

Ahh, if it LOOKS like a prison, it´s okay - hope it isn´t a prison (got you for the next few months) hehe

!

Toadly: Have no fear, it´s easier than you think!

Greetings!

TravelRec.

LionelHutz · Jul 14, 2004, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kokoon
why are you saying this? ofcourse you can use them separately. just route them to asio.

its really easy to get 8 mono with 1 live + 1 livedrive. one live with a livedrive connected to it has 6 monos - line1, mic1 - both on the card. on the drive: line2, mic2. if you have antoher live, you can use its line1 for adc by connect that card's spdif OUT to livedrive's spidif IN.

i know it works cause i have it done this way.

and the livedrive's adc's are MUCH better than the ones on the cards.

You can actually do this? Record from 8 individual mono analog inputs using only a sblive + live drive?

How about this:
Is it possible to record in 24 bit using an audigy card + live drive from all 8 analog inputs?
Someone mentioned "bad" mic input and "good" mic input. Does that mean there are quality issues with different inputs?
I'm guessing you would need a lot of RAM and a very fast HD to do this, but is it possible? Would the quality of the recorded sound be good?

**dj_stick** · Jul 14, 2004, 09:53 PM

alright the "bad mic input" is the actual mic input on the card… and with an audigy 1 and 2 you can already record 2 ac97 sources
kxctrl shw 19 1
kxctrl sac97 2 0
this sends the line in to the higher quality i2s codec, allowing you to record from another ac-97 source - i would choose to attach a jack to either the AUX_IN conector or the CD_IN connector (both are the same) like i myself did last night.
also with the live drive you have the linein2 and the auxin2
and there are your eigh inputs

currently 24/96 is unsupported by kX

Jan 21, 2004, 05:44 PM	#1
vonhaegenbach DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	8 analog inputs with 2 SBLive!+Live Drive... It is possible? I was thinking in recording drums with one mic/channel per element of the kit, and replacing the tracks with drumagog. That method don't require a great sound quality, only the minimum enough to trigger the samples, so you can use the "bad" mic input. It is possible to wire 2 SBlive + a Live! Drive???, so you can get 8 analog ins??? SB Live nº 1: 1 stereo line in + 1 mic in (3 inputs) SB Live nº 2: other 3 inputs Live Drive: 2 line ins more Total:8 ins __________________ AMD Athlon-Barton 2600 microprocessor w/ MSI KM4M-L mobo + 512 mb RAM (DDR 333) + 120gb-7200 rpm Hard Disk + Sound Blaster Live! Platinum + Optorite 4x DVD Writer

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Jan 27, 2004, 07:21 AM	#4
TravelRec. Alternative Audioproductions Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Germany / Sachsen-Anhalt Posts: 1,710 Rep Power: 0	Hi! For Live! cards it´s impossible to use Line in and Mic in seperately, so you only can get 2 analog mono (or one stereo pair) per card. This will only change by using the digital inputs (CD-SPDIF + SPDIF1 + SPDIF2) and external A/D converters; so you can have 8 monos with a single card. Unfortunately no other way! Greetings! TravelRec. __________________ Always take a look behind.

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TravelRec. Alternative Audioproductions Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Germany / Sachsen-Anhalt Posts: 1,710 Rep Power: 0	Hi dj! He don´t want to build a converter, he said ... TravelRec. __________________ Always take a look behind.

Jul 12, 2004, 07:44 AM	#16
TravelRec. Alternative Audioproductions Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Germany / Sachsen-Anhalt Posts: 1,710 Rep Power: 0	Yes, unfortunately - maybe this is also a bit ceaper, if it´s a used one, but he never will get that feeling, if a self-made converter will go alive ! Greetings! TravelRec. P.S. Hey dj - what´s with your components? On the way now... ? __________________ Always take a look behind.

Feb 1, 2004, 07:48 AM	#5
45er DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 27 Rep Power: 0	Hi, Travelrec, Do you know of good external A/D converter or mixer for this purpose. If it is possible to get 5.1 signal from the spdif out why are the spdif only stereo (is this just convention)? Regards

Feb 2, 2004, 05:53 AM	#8
45er DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 27 Rep Power: 0	Hi, I've a Sb live 5.1 and to live value cards. To get six mono channels i can put all cards in one machine. Right Timing issues aside thats ok for live recording in principle. What if i want to get more channels without a live drive? ( as i cant seem to buy one separately new or second hand in Australia ) Could i get another live 5.1 card and use the digital inputs (CD-SPDIF + SPDIF1 + SPDIF2) and external A/D converters on each to get 12 channels indidital mode only! If this is the way does anyon know of some hardware that i can use that woud give 12 channels of a/d conversion and would take a digital in to that could be converted back to analog for playback / monitoring? or a to give 6 channels of a/d conversion to work with one sb live 5.1 obviously the idea is to record live /mix live a duo or three piece you get my drift... any success stories out there..... Regards 45er

Jul 12, 2004, 06:05 AM	#10
Toadly_Ossum DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 228 Rep Power: 0	So let me get this straight.. Im only interested now in mono analog inputs. I have a Live 5.1 without the live drive. With a SB Live without a live drive you have only 2 mono inputs that can be routed into asio host, either L/R mic1 or line1 thru ac97,correct? With a Sb Live with a live drive you can have 4 mono inputs, the L/R of Mic1/Line1, AND the L/R of the live drive's L/R Mic2/Line2 input, Correct? If im correct so far, the next question, can i find the pins on the EXT connector for Mic2/Line2 and use those for the 2 extra mono inputs? without having to find a live drive? or build a converter or anything? Thanks

Jul 12, 2004, 06:19 AM	#12
Toadly_Ossum DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 228 Rep Power: 0	DJ Stick im confused, Im looking at my Prolog and there are all my physical inputs correct? I dont have a live drive, or the slot connector thingy, with the spdif and mini midi connector. I just have the live card with line in, and mic in which cannot be used at the same time for seperate mono inputs, correct? I see mic2/line2 and aux2 on prolog, but where ARE these inputs? I thought they were all on the EXT connector? how can I use these for seperate ASIO inputs?

Jul 12, 2004, 07:51 AM	#18
TravelRec. Alternative Audioproductions Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Germany / Sachsen-Anhalt Posts: 1,710 Rep Power: 0	If so.... then I wish you all the best for it. And have a nice time by learnig more about everything (why the shool is starting on tuesday???). Greetings! TravelRec. P.S. Try to get more sleep at night for the next time - 6 hours are not enough !!! __________________ Always take a look behind.

Jul 12, 2004, 06:25 PM	#20
Toadly_Ossum DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 228 Rep Power: 0	I may be interested in making SPDIF converter at some point in the future. But 1st I need to get the existing analogs working