Card Comparison

ROBSCIX · Apr 8, 2004, 12:04 AM

Hi Guys, I am fairly new to the KX thing, I am very impressed though. Ok here's the thing. I currently have a SB live 5.1 DE (sb0102)?, I got a good price on a Audigy ES 5.1, Now am I going to notice a marked improvment in my audio? if I install the audigy? I have been having trouble finding spec's on this model of card. Does any one on the forum have one of these cards? Now I am assuming it has advanced HD and 24bit playback....is this correct? if anyone can point me to the spec's for this card I would be greatful...Thank you in advance.

**dj_stick** · Apr 8, 2004, 02:29 AM

the differnece btwn audiogy and live is that there are twice the DSP resources available on the 10k2 chip of the audigy… as for advanced hd that is not support by kx as it is EAX and current;y not implemented… and for 24 bit playback - may be possible - use wave hq, but you cannot record at 24 bit

ROBSCIX · Apr 8, 2004, 05:35 PM

Ok, I understand that EAX, Advanced HD are not yet supported by the kX drivers.. this is of little consequence to me. I am more into music then gaming. I was more concerned with the difference in sound quality between the two cards. I got a really good deal. I cannot find specs though. I can only find spec's on the audigy LS. I am assuming these cards are rather close in specifications. Now it does say that it has 24/96 ADC',DAC's. Now if the card is capable of 24 bit playback, then why not 24 bit recording? internal lock or something? I have read about these cards before and how they cannot record in 24/96 even though the spec's say that they can. Can anyone elaborate on this problem for me? Thank you for your time.

Daniel Drummond · Apr 8, 2004, 06:01 PM

Audigy LS is not supported by KX drivers as it is not 10k1 nor 10k2 compatible. Use original Creative drivers. Make sure Audigy ES has a 10k2 chip otherwise it won't work with kx... Creative Labs is realising cards which are different from live (10k1) and audigy (10k2) but uses the same names, to persuade people into buying them...

ROBSCIX · Apr 8, 2004, 07:25 PM

This card I ordered is not a LS, it is an ES 5.1. I cannot seem to find specs though. I think I got the proper product number SB0162. it says it has the Audigy processor. I wanted this card because I wanted to improve my sound BUT I still want to use the KX drivers. Would I be better to stick with the SB102 that I already have. Can somebody please shed some light on this before I get something I don't want. I will continue my research. are the drivers compatible with the audigy processor. It seems to be just a normal audigy but it doesn't have firewire. thank you for any help you might give me..

Daniel Drummond · Apr 8, 2004, 08:36 PM

well, hope you're lucky.. I just did a search in the net and I also haven't found good info on the Audigy LS. It isn't even listed in Creative's site in USA and Europe. I only found a reference to it in a Sony VAIO computer, which had it.

Daniel Drummond · Apr 8, 2004, 08:43 PM

Ok, just found this http://asia.creative.com/products/audio/audigyes/
In the specifications they say: Creative's Audigy™ patented effects processor
Hope that is true... They don't say the same for Audigy LS, but they do state that Audigy DE (another model) has an Audigy chip... On the other hand, they recommend this to Audigy Platinum users: "Genuine Intel® Pentium® 266MHz, AMD® K6 300MHz or faster processor". and this to Audigy ES users: "Genuine Intel® Pentium® II 350MHz, AMD® K6 450MHz or faster processor".
That's, together with the fact that the ES is quite smaller than the audigy, makes me wonder if the ES isn't like the LS, taking up more system resources because it's a bit software based and doesn't work with kX. I'd check if the store has a return policy just in case...
Hey, don't get me wrong, I don't want to ruin your buy ok? I'm just trying to figure out why they released sooo many audigy's....

ROBSCIX · Apr 8, 2004, 08:54 PM

Yeah, Thanks for your help. I am not sure if I am going to get the card now. I am in a confrontation with my supplier. I ordered a set of 6.1 speakers and the audigy. Thought the order was on it's way. Then this guy emails back and says the price that was on his website is incorrect. The order had already been placed. Isn't there some sort of law against things like that? ......So I am a little irate. Thank you for your help though guys.

**dj_stick** · Apr 10, 2004, 02:03 AM

i think the 24 bit playback issue is due to the 10k1/2 chip being locked at 16/48 and to record i think that it needs to be procesed by the chip, where as playback can bypass somehow…

ROBSCIX · Apr 11, 2004, 02:25 PM

Yes, I also found that link, upon reading previous postings regarding this card....eugene thinks it's just a repack of a generic audigy one. Then in another Post, a dude was writing a .inf to detect cards and this card the SB0162, I think has been in the original .Inf file all along. I contacted creative to get specs on this card before I found it on the Asia site. Creative support said they never heard of this model?! what kind of support is that..

, They asked if I was correct with the name...So I sent the Agent a link to there own site and product, I haven't heard back from them...I think he's mad

, Isn't a audigy processor a 10k2, as I said I don't want the card if everything is software based. I like the idea of accessing the DSP processor with kX. I am still trying to get a definative answer on this card....will let people know when I have the right answer....

S_Milton · Apr 12, 2004, 04:52 AM

Take a look here

Audigy LS vs Audigy ES

http://www.terralab.ru/multimedia/32484/

Its in Russian, but you could compare specs
and also could use a web translator like altavista one (with russian)

Hope it helps

**dj_stick** · Apr 13, 2004, 02:43 AM

according to that link… it seems that neither card use the 10k2 chip, am i wrong?

S_Milton · Apr 28, 2004, 03:58 PM

Sorry to to be so late (I was out of town)

The Audigy ES has a 10k2 (AUDIGY CA0100-IAF which is the first version of the chip)
Take a look here
http://www.plasma-online.de/english/...tive_labs.html

BTW: congratulations on your Guide, is very good.

Apr 8, 2004, 12:04 AM	#1
ROBSCIX DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,732 Rep Power: 0	Card Comparison Hi Guys, I am fairly new to the KX thing, I am very impressed though. Ok here's the thing. I currently have a SB live 5.1 DE (sb0102)?, I got a good price on a Audigy ES 5.1, Now am I going to notice a marked improvment in my audio? if I install the audigy? I have been having trouble finding spec's on this model of card. Does any one on the forum have one of these cards? Now I am assuming it has advanced HD and 24bit playback....is this correct? if anyone can point me to the spec's for this card I would be greatful...Thank you in advance.

Apr 8, 2004, 06:01 PM	#4
Daniel Drummond DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Brazil Posts: 1,137 Rep Power: 0	Audigy LS is not supported by KX drivers as it is not 10k1 nor 10k2 compatible. Use original Creative drivers. Make sure Audigy ES has a 10k2 chip otherwise it won't work with kx... Creative Labs is realising cards which are different from live (10k1) and audigy (10k2) but uses the same names, to persuade people into buying them... __________________ www.palcomp3.com.br/ed

Apr 8, 2004, 08:36 PM	#6
Daniel Drummond DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Brazil Posts: 1,137 Rep Power: 0	well, hope you're lucky.. I just did a search in the net and I also haven't found good info on the Audigy LS. It isn't even listed in Creative's site in USA and Europe. I only found a reference to it in a Sony VAIO computer, which had it. __________________ www.palcomp3.com.br/ed

Apr 8, 2004, 08:43 PM	#7
Daniel Drummond DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Brazil Posts: 1,137 Rep Power: 0	Ok, just found this http://asia.creative.com/products/audio/audigyes/ In the specifications they say: Creative's Audigy™ patented effects processor Hope that is true... They don't say the same for Audigy LS, but they do state that Audigy DE (another model) has an Audigy chip... On the other hand, they recommend this to Audigy Platinum users: "Genuine Intel® Pentium® 266MHz, AMD® K6 300MHz or faster processor". and this to Audigy ES users: "Genuine Intel® Pentium® II 350MHz, AMD® K6 450MHz or faster processor". That's, together with the fact that the ES is quite smaller than the audigy, makes me wonder if the ES isn't like the LS, taking up more system resources because it's a bit software based and doesn't work with kX. I'd check if the store has a return policy just in case... Hey, don't get me wrong, I don't want to ruin your buy ok? I'm just trying to figure out why they released sooo many audigy's.... __________________ www.palcomp3.com.br/ed Last edited by Daniel Drummond; Apr 8, 2004 at 08:52 PM.

Apr 12, 2004, 04:52 AM	#11
S_Milton DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 70 Rep Power: 0	Take a look here Audigy LS vs Audigy ES http://www.terralab.ru/multimedia/32484/ Its in Russian, but you could compare specs and also could use a web translator like altavista one (with russian) Hope it helps __________________ MS

Apr 8, 2004, 05:35 PM	Thread Starter #3
ROBSCIX DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,732 Rep Power: 0	Ok, I understand that EAX, Advanced HD are not yet supported by the kX drivers.. this is of little consequence to me. I am more into music then gaming. I was more concerned with the difference in sound quality between the two cards. I got a really good deal. I cannot find specs though. I can only find spec's on the audigy LS. I am assuming these cards are rather close in specifications. Now it does say that it has 24/96 ADC',DAC's. Now if the card is capable of 24 bit playback, then why not 24 bit recording? internal lock or something? I have read about these cards before and how they cannot record in 24/96 even though the spec's say that they can. Can anyone elaborate on this problem for me? Thank you for your time.

Apr 8, 2004, 07:25 PM	Thread Starter #5
ROBSCIX DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,732 Rep Power: 0	This card I ordered is not a LS, it is an ES 5.1. I cannot seem to find specs though. I think I got the proper product number SB0162. it says it has the Audigy processor. I wanted this card because I wanted to improve my sound BUT I still want to use the KX drivers. Would I be better to stick with the SB102 that I already have. Can somebody please shed some light on this before I get something I don't want. I will continue my research. are the drivers compatible with the audigy processor. It seems to be just a normal audigy but it doesn't have firewire. thank you for any help you might give me..

Apr 8, 2004, 08:54 PM	Thread Starter #8
ROBSCIX DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,732 Rep Power: 0	Yeah, Thanks for your help. I am not sure if I am going to get the card now. I am in a confrontation with my supplier. I ordered a set of 6.1 speakers and the audigy. Thought the order was on it's way. Then this guy emails back and says the price that was on his website is incorrect. The order had already been placed. Isn't there some sort of law against things like that? ......So I am a little irate. Thank you for your help though guys.

Apr 11, 2004, 02:25 PM	Thread Starter #10
ROBSCIX DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,732 Rep Power: 0	Yes, I also found that link, upon reading previous postings regarding this card....eugene thinks it's just a repack of a generic audigy one. Then in another Post, a dude was writing a .inf to detect cards and this card the SB0162, I think has been in the original .Inf file all along. I contacted creative to get specs on this card before I found it on the Asia site. Creative support said they never heard of this model?! what kind of support is that.. , They asked if I was correct with the name...So I sent the Agent a link to there own site and product, I haven't heard back from them...I think he's mad , Isn't a audigy processor a 10k2, as I said I don't want the card if everything is software based. I like the idea of accessing the DSP processor with kX. I am still trying to get a definative answer on this card....will let people know when I have the right answer....

Apr 28, 2004, 03:58 PM	#13
S_Milton DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 70 Rep Power: 0	Sorry to to be so late (I was out of town) The Audigy ES has a 10k2 (AUDIGY CA0100-IAF which is the first version of the chip) Take a look here http://www.plasma-online.de/english/...tive_labs.html BTW: congratulations on your Guide, is very good. __________________ MS