Saw the pinouts and feeling brave...

Toadly_Ossum · Jul 24, 2004, 07:05 AM

So im going for it. I hope i dont burn anything out

Got my Audigy and Live (SB0090 and SB0100) installed with 3538 and both cards are working great. I dont have any Live Drives so Im trying to get 2 more mono inputs in to Cubase. Ive setup the Audigy as main card and tested line in to ASIO inputs in cubase and tested great. I can do the same for the Live and Line In works great.

Ive ran a shielded 2 wire from the live SB0100 EXT pins:

17 SPDIFO#0 SPDIF Out signal

18 GND Ground

(if im reading the pin out right the ground (black) is facing AWAY from the slot plate on the card. in other words the ground is NEARER the back edge of the card, correct i hope?)

to the Audigy SB0090:

CD_SPDIF In connector pin assignments

Pin Description I/O
1 GND -
2 SPDIF In

(if im reading the pin out right hear the ground (black) is NEARER the slot plate on the card, in other words further the back edge of the card, again im hoping)

And so if the wiring is correct, then I need help in understanding how to set up DSP in order to get my Line In on the Live SB0100 connected to my Audigy SB0090 for recording ASIO.

Thanks for all the great help Ive found so far. KX Rules

Toad

geraldandreas · Jul 24, 2004, 09:14 AM

the pin-descriptions are right, so you can make the connections in the dsp. are you using the standard-dsp
or LeMuryÂ´s pro-fx?
connect from CD-SPDIF to a mixer or directly to asio0/1 for recording. (in the dsp for SB0090)

Toadly_Ossum · Jul 24, 2004, 01:26 PM

Im using standard DSP. I understand how to connect to the ASIO inputs on the SB0090, The CD-SPDIF L/R is just below the AC97 L/R. they connect to the ASIO inputs at the bottom of the Epilog.

What I dont understand is on the SB0100, how do i set up DSP so Line In is sent to SPDIF out. Im getting a signal from the AC97 line-in on SB0100 but Im not picking up the signal on SB0090 CD-SPDIF when i connect a peak there.

If the wiring is right then im sure im just missing something simple, im a newbie when it comes to the DSP but im slowly learning.

Thanks again for any help.
Toad

peate · Jul 24, 2004, 04:38 PM

I'm only guessing, but on the master page of the mixer, where it says AC3, there's a drop down menu. There's also bypass mode to consider, however, I have no idea what it does, LOL.

Then, on the ins and outs page, there's a slider for generic SDPIF out, as well as SPDIF 1. I'd play with those two settings first and see if you get anything.

I'm curious cause I've asked myself the very same question before. I just have no way of trying it.

Good luck

Pierre

Toadly_Ossum · Jul 25, 2004, 03:10 AM

Ive tried DSP settings till my wrists are sore. I must be missing something.

Toad

**dj_stick** · Jul 25, 2004, 03:44 AM

ok forum member Doug. W here has text files on how to set this upâ€¦ send him a PM asking for them

Toadly_Ossum · Jul 25, 2004, 05:28 AM

woot now I have 4 mono inputs.

I fixed it by runing out of live SB0100 EXT pins:

19 SPDIFO#1 SPDIF Out signal
20 GND Ground

set AC97 to line in and routed in DSP to SPDIF 1 on the Epilog.
Everything clicked into place after that.

On to card number 3

Ive setup a CT4620 the same as the SB0100.
Since the SPDIF CD IN on the Audigy SB0090 is taken by the other live, where is the best SPDIF input on the EXT to use?
IS2 SPDIF C LEFT
IS2 SPDIF C RIGHT
are next on the Prolog, which pins corrospond on the Audigys EXT?

Toad

**dj_stick** · Jul 25, 2004, 05:42 AM

don;t use I2S inputs, use S/PDIF ins

also using my quick guide somewhere in this forum, i'm sure you can get 2 extra mono inputs aswell

Doug W · Jul 25, 2004, 06:14 AM

Someone is hosting the text files on their site

http://www.homerecording.org.uk/

Click on FEATURES link

The different mixer settings that I used to enable the 4 mono inputs are described.

**dj_stick** · Jul 25, 2004, 06:38 AM

also here should help you aswell

Toadly_Ossum · Jul 26, 2004, 06:08 PM

I have all 3 cards wired together and working now! but im having some audio glitches in xp. Ive posted a new topic on it>

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/showthre...threadid=51632

Thanks for all the SPDIF wiring help!

Toad

Spielfreek · Feb 13, 2005, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug W

Someone is hosting the text files on their site

http://www.homerecording.org.uk/

Click on FEATURES link

The different mixer settings that I used to enable the 4 mono inputs are described.

Doug.

This link doesn't work anymore. Is there anywhere else I can look for them?

Doug W · Feb 14, 2005, 02:56 PM

This link may not be good for long since we will be moving soon and will change ISPs but it is good right at this moment. 2-14-05

http://www.usfamily.net/web/4stories...X-NTRACK-2SCS/

Spielfreek · Feb 14, 2005, 03:18 PM

Doug, Thank you for taking the time to put the info in an accessible place for me (us). I have downloaded and read the info and hope to try it soon (but got to go shopping now, would you believe (!!).. just when I want to get stuck in, so to speak!). Will report back later....Cheers!

Spielfreek · Feb 16, 2005, 02:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toadly_Ossum

woot now I have 4 mono inputs.

I fixed it by runing out of live SB0100 EXT pins:

19 SPDIFO#1 SPDIF Out signal
20 GND Ground

set AC97 to line in and routed in DSP to SPDIF 1 on the Epilog.
Everything clicked into place after that.

Toad

Just wondered if you could you let me know exactly how you did this bit... routed the DSP to SPDIF1. I've wasted all evening trying this. Also have Doug's notes as well so feel a bit frustrated! Clearly misunderstood the mixer...please help!

Toadly_Ossum · Feb 16, 2005, 03:23 PM

I sent you a PM on this but lemme post it here to:

Months back I went back to one card because i picked up a live drive. I can barely remember but heres a tip i do. Right click on the kX applet on the task bar>go to devices and make sure your 2nd card is selected.(remeber with multiple cards you still only have 1 kX applet and you change settings for all the cards by selecting which one under devices)

Once you have your 2nd card selected, open its DSP window. Do you have any experience with the DSP window? Well it took me months to learn it so dont feel bad if you dont. If your plugging into the "line in" on the back of your 2nd card AND have "line in" selected in 2nd cards AC97. Then the signal will appear on the prolog's ac97 output (top 2 connectors on the prolog) On the epilog there will be 2 connectors that represent the spdif pin outs on Aud_ex that you have connected and ran to your 1st card-I dont remember which pins corospond to connectors on the epilog, sorry. This much should get your signal from the line in on your 2nd card > spdif out > to spdif in on the 1st card.

Then the signal will appear on the 1st cards spdif In ( cd spdif in is easiest to find, its just below the ac97 input on the prolog) on the 1st card's DSP window connects from Proglogs cd spdif in to an ASIO input on the Epilog.

Hope it helps some
Toad

Spielfreek · Feb 16, 2005, 11:36 PM

Toad - Thnak you for a swift response. You gave me confidence to do what I feared ... I completely cleared the DSP window and just added the 2 components from ProFX (in and out). This gave me nice and simple routing. Checked out I was getting a signal in (loud and clear on speakers) then wired it up to SPDIF Out. To check that it was working, I connected the wire from the SEND board to the front panel SPDIF RCA input of my Audigy drive, and wow (!) it came out of the speakers, no problem, and I saw it in SX as I have all the ASIO channels connected. So that was fine.... but then I tried to connect it to CD_SPDIF socket (which the CD player would normally connect to), and it didn't work. I have enabled it in the mixer (slider right up), but can't find anywhere else to fiddle to persuade it to work. The cable is OK, and ASIO is wired 1-1 so I'd see the signal if it was coming into SX, so I'm a bit stuck (again!). Do I remember you having problems with the CD_SPDIF? Any ideas would be welcome.... Peter

Toadly_Ossum · Feb 17, 2005, 03:17 AM

You should clear the DSP for the Audigy too

and then use the Profx to setup all the incomming signals. Youll see CD spdif in listed there, thats where the signal from the other card should be now.( then use the k2lt to set up their destinations >speakers front and rear, headphones,etc. Put MX6 mixer inbetween, Use the ASIO applet under profx to get the signals into cubase. be creative! )

Toad

**dj_stick** · Feb 17, 2005, 04:42 AM

in the next couple of weeks i'll be taking pics of my setup atm, and writing up a little guide for my class at school - i'll post it on here/kb aswell

Spielfreek · Feb 18, 2005, 04:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toadly_Ossum

You should clear the DSP for the Audigy too

and then use the Profx to setup all the incomming signals. Youll see CD spdif in listed there, thats where the signal from the other card should be now.( then use the k2lt to set up their destinations >speakers front and rear, headphones,etc. Put MX6 mixer inbetween, Use the ASIO applet under profx to get the signals into cubase. be creative! )

Toad

Thank you for the ideas ... I've just sorted it out (4 am here in UK!). The CD_SPDIF input is dead! I built a brand new XP with the Audigy, disabled digital output to Windows, which forces the CD analog and SPDIF outputs to send their data. Guess what - no sound when plugged in to CD_SPDIF. Replaced the card with my other Audigy and it all works fine. Back to my original XP build with KX, hooked it up and it works! Brilliant (turns out my DSP config was OK after all)!
Ok, so now I can get 12 channels with 2 Audigy cards, but only using the default DSP. Trouble is that you seem to need the ins and outs screen to config the system to use the the kxcntrl fiddle to get an extra 2 audio channels. Can't seem to get that working with the ProFX DSP yet. All audio channels comes out of SPDIF0 (mixed!) - no good at all for me, and it's weird that you specify src as LineIn, but the AUX comes out of it! Anyone got this working using ProFX controls?

TravelRec. · Feb 18, 2005, 06:00 AM

Yes, me! I´m working with the ProFX as long since they´re available. It´s true that you loose the mixer sliders and knobs, but you don´t need them. Add as much sources (src) you need and switch them to all the different inputs. Then take k2lt and select there all the possible outputs, add also an asio plug for recording possibility in ASIO. Wire some lines from src to k2lt and also to the ASIO channels you want and insert between them your necessary plugins and maybe a mixer. So you are able to route every channel indepentently to every output. With some time you will fill the DSP to it´s limits and then you have exactly what you want - believe me!

**dj_stick** · Feb 18, 2005, 06:52 AM

i'll screenshot my combo DSP pics

**dj_stick** · Feb 18, 2005, 06:57 AM

my send card http://img236.exs.cx/img236/975/kxsend0sr.jpg
my receive/master card http://img236.exs.cx/img236/2710/kxreceive9vy.jpg

Spielfreek · Feb 18, 2005, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dj_stick

my send card http://img236.exs.cx/img236/975/kxsend0sr.jpg
my receive/master card http://img236.exs.cx/img236/2710/kxreceive9vy.jpg

Thank you so much for the speedy reply and the brilliant screenshots (ss). Master ss looks complicated at first glance but I'm sure a cup of coffee and an evening's headbanging will sort it out (only way to learn)! From the send ss I can see the error of my ways

! My logic was that I have two inputs, one going into line in (rear jack) and the other into the Aux (internal), so I configured two srcs and wired them directly to the relevant k2lt SPDIFs. Now I see that that was a bit amaturish (haven't I learnt anything this last week?)! Will try your config as soon as I'm back (I'm late for work now but heck, this is far more important!). I'll look at the ProFX help in more detail but my first question to myself was "what does src "o IN [4]" do. Maybe it's to do with the kxctrl fiddle?

**dj_stick** · Feb 18, 2005, 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spielfreek

My logic was that I have two inputs, one going into line in (rear jack) and the other into the Aux (internal), so I configured two srcs and wired them directly to the relevant k2lt SPDIFs. Now I see that that was a bit amaturish (haven't I learnt anything this last week?)!

that will still work perfectly, nothing wrong with it
my master card only has two spdif inputs, hence the stereo mix plugin on the send card, i'm using it as a makeshift switch.

as for the master card, it took time to build that one up
each numbered SRC is an fxbus routing
all the other named SRCs should be self explanatory
the p16v module is to get wave HQ working with a peakmeter (aesthetics only really)
mx6 is mainly choosing which stereo input to use with MME applications

the stereo mixes simply mix signals from the inputs and the fxbusses to the speakers

confusing at first, but once you route it yourself you'll realise how it works

Jul 24, 2004, 09:14 AM	#2
geraldandreas KX-Driver Lover Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: in the heart of EU, near vienna Posts: 241 Rep Power: 0	hy oadly_Ossum the pin-descriptions are right, so you can make the connections in the dsp. are you using the standard-dsp or LeMuryÂ´s pro-fx? connect from CD-SPDIF to a mixer or directly to asio0/1 for recording. (in the dsp for SB0090) __________________ Gerald 1; Core2-Q9450, x38-Mobo, 2048mb, 2x SATA-HD, SB0092+LD, XP/sp3 Last edited by geraldandreas; Jul 24, 2004 at 09:25 AM.

Feb 18, 2005, 06:00 AM	#21
TravelRec. Alternative Audioproductions Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Germany / Sachsen-Anhalt Posts: 1,710 Rep Power: 0	Yes, me! I´m working with the ProFX as long since they´re available. It´s true that you loose the mixer sliders and knobs, but you don´t need them. Add as much sources (src) you need and switch them to all the different inputs. Then take k2lt and select there all the possible outputs, add also an asio plug for recording possibility in ASIO. Wire some lines from src to k2lt and also to the ASIO channels you want and insert between them your necessary plugins and maybe a mixer. So you are able to route every channel indepentently to every output. With some time you will fill the DSP to it´s limits and then you have exactly what you want - believe me! __________________ Always take a look behind.

Jul 24, 2004, 07:05 AM	#1
Toadly_Ossum DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 228 Rep Power: 0	Saw the pinouts and feeling brave... So im going for it. I hope i dont burn anything out Got my Audigy and Live (SB0090 and SB0100) installed with 3538 and both cards are working great. I dont have any Live Drives so Im trying to get 2 more mono inputs in to Cubase. Ive setup the Audigy as main card and tested line in to ASIO inputs in cubase and tested great. I can do the same for the Live and Line In works great. Ive ran a shielded 2 wire from the live SB0100 EXT pins: 17 SPDIFO#0 SPDIF Out signal 18 GND Ground (if im reading the pin out right the ground (black) is facing AWAY from the slot plate on the card. in other words the ground is NEARER the back edge of the card, correct i hope?) to the Audigy SB0090: CD_SPDIF In connector pin assignments Pin Description I/O 1 GND - 2 SPDIF In (if im reading the pin out right hear the ground (black) is NEARER the slot plate on the card, in other words further the back edge of the card, again im hoping) And so if the wiring is correct, then I need help in understanding how to set up DSP in order to get my Line In on the Live SB0100 connected to my Audigy SB0090 for recording ASIO. Thanks for all the great help Ive found so far. KX Rules Toad

Jul 24, 2004, 01:26 PM	Thread Starter #3
Toadly_Ossum DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 228 Rep Power: 0	Im using standard DSP. I understand how to connect to the ASIO inputs on the SB0090, The CD-SPDIF L/R is just below the AC97 L/R. they connect to the ASIO inputs at the bottom of the Epilog. What I dont understand is on the SB0100, how do i set up DSP so Line In is sent to SPDIF out. Im getting a signal from the AC97 line-in on SB0100 but Im not picking up the signal on SB0090 CD-SPDIF when i connect a peak there. If the wiring is right then im sure im just missing something simple, im a newbie when it comes to the DSP but im slowly learning. Thanks again for any help. Toad

Jul 24, 2004, 04:38 PM	#4
peate HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 409 Rep Power: 57	I'm only guessing, but on the master page of the mixer, where it says AC3, there's a drop down menu. There's also bypass mode to consider, however, I have no idea what it does, LOL. Then, on the ins and outs page, there's a slider for generic SDPIF out, as well as SPDIF 1. I'd play with those two settings first and see if you get anything. I'm curious cause I've asked myself the very same question before. I just have no way of trying it. Good luck Pierre

Jul 25, 2004, 03:10 AM	Thread Starter #5
Toadly_Ossum DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 228 Rep Power: 0	Ive tried DSP settings till my wrists are sore. I must be missing something. Toad

Jul 25, 2004, 05:28 AM	Thread Starter #7
Toadly_Ossum DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 228 Rep Power: 0	woot now I have 4 mono inputs. I fixed it by runing out of live SB0100 EXT pins: 19 SPDIFO#1 SPDIF Out signal 20 GND Ground set AC97 to line in and routed in DSP to SPDIF 1 on the Epilog. Everything clicked into place after that. On to card number 3 Ive setup a CT4620 the same as the SB0100. Since the SPDIF CD IN on the Audigy SB0090 is taken by the other live, where is the best SPDIF input on the EXT to use? IS2 SPDIF C LEFT IS2 SPDIF C RIGHT are next on the Prolog, which pins corrospond on the Audigys EXT? Toad

Jul 25, 2004, 06:14 AM	#9
Doug W HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Montevideo, MN USA Posts: 973 Rep Power: 0	Someone is hosting the text files on their site http://www.homerecording.org.uk/ Click on FEATURES link The different mixer settings that I used to enable the 4 mono inputs are described.

Jul 26, 2004, 06:08 PM	Thread Starter #11
Toadly_Ossum DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 228 Rep Power: 0	I have all 3 cards wired together and working now! but im having some audio glitches in xp. Ive posted a new topic on it> http://www.hardwareheaven.com/showthre...threadid=51632 Thanks for all the SPDIF wiring help! Toad

Feb 14, 2005, 02:56 PM	#13
Doug W HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Montevideo, MN USA Posts: 973 Rep Power: 0	This link may not be good for long since we will be moving soon and will change ISPs but it is good right at this moment. 2-14-05 http://www.usfamily.net/web/4stories...X-NTRACK-2SCS/

Feb 14, 2005, 03:18 PM	#14
Spielfreek DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 26 Rep Power: 0	Doug, Thank you for taking the time to put the info in an accessible place for me (us). I have downloaded and read the info and hope to try it soon (but got to go shopping now, would you believe (!!).. just when I want to get stuck in, so to speak!). Will report back later....Cheers!

Feb 16, 2005, 03:23 PM	Thread Starter #16
Toadly_Ossum DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 228 Rep Power: 0	I sent you a PM on this but lemme post it here to: Months back I went back to one card because i picked up a live drive. I can barely remember but heres a tip i do. Right click on the kX applet on the task bar>go to devices and make sure your 2nd card is selected.(remeber with multiple cards you still only have 1 kX applet and you change settings for all the cards by selecting which one under devices) Once you have your 2nd card selected, open its DSP window. Do you have any experience with the DSP window? Well it took me months to learn it so dont feel bad if you dont. If your plugging into the "line in" on the back of your 2nd card AND have "line in" selected in 2nd cards AC97. Then the signal will appear on the prolog's ac97 output (top 2 connectors on the prolog) On the epilog there will be 2 connectors that represent the spdif pin outs on Aud_ex that you have connected and ran to your 1st card-I dont remember which pins corospond to connectors on the epilog, sorry. This much should get your signal from the line in on your 2nd card > spdif out > to spdif in on the 1st card. Then the signal will appear on the 1st cards spdif In ( cd spdif in is easiest to find, its just below the ac97 input on the prolog) on the 1st card's DSP window connects from Proglogs cd spdif in to an ASIO input on the Epilog. Hope it helps some Toad

Feb 16, 2005, 11:36 PM	#17
Spielfreek DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 26 Rep Power: 0	Toad - Thnak you for a swift response. You gave me confidence to do what I feared ... I completely cleared the DSP window and just added the 2 components from ProFX (in and out). This gave me nice and simple routing. Checked out I was getting a signal in (loud and clear on speakers) then wired it up to SPDIF Out. To check that it was working, I connected the wire from the SEND board to the front panel SPDIF RCA input of my Audigy drive, and wow (!) it came out of the speakers, no problem, and I saw it in SX as I have all the ASIO channels connected. So that was fine.... but then I tried to connect it to CD_SPDIF socket (which the CD player would normally connect to), and it didn't work. I have enabled it in the mixer (slider right up), but can't find anywhere else to fiddle to persuade it to work. The cable is OK, and ASIO is wired 1-1 so I'd see the signal if it was coming into SX, so I'm a bit stuck (again!). Do I remember you having problems with the CD_SPDIF? Any ideas would be welcome.... Peter

Feb 17, 2005, 03:17 AM	Thread Starter #18
Toadly_Ossum DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 228 Rep Power: 0	You should clear the DSP for the Audigy too and then use the Profx to setup all the incomming signals. Youll see CD spdif in listed there, thats where the signal from the other card should be now.( then use the k2lt to set up their destinations >speakers front and rear, headphones,etc. Put MX6 mixer inbetween, Use the ASIO applet under profx to get the signals into cubase. be creative! ) Toad