Noise problem with Audigy 2 ZS and 3537

Maddogg6 · Dec 9, 2008, 09:17 PM

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also you say you adjust the ms so your vocal will match the backing track (audio)....yea i had to do that setting in ableton through its loopback test it would play a short sound from one track and record it into another track then the tracks would be lined up but not perfect and i would move the selection tool line to the beginning of the recorded wave form and it would tell me the exact ms and i would enter that and it would compensate BUT if i used that and still selected monitor from when i recorded vocal to when i heard in headphones was still latent.

Well - I think sonar just looks at the ASIO latency and uses that to compensate. No tests needed - and if they are not perfect - they are close enough for me to not notice.
Sonar does all this in the background - and it just works.

Maddogg6 · Dec 9, 2008, 09:23 PM

Heres how I have Sonar 6 setup for 24/48
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/2226/sonarxn2.jpg

g000fy · Dec 9, 2008, 09:50 PM

ok i gonna get it and install it right now.

is there anything i need to adjust from its default settings?

the only settings i really need are that 24/48
and line1, line2 and line3 ins and front l+r out so i dont need all the inputs and outputs that it has.

the actually effects i dont (think) i need do i?
the affects i use from plugins/vsts dont use the actual hardware on the sound card does it? i mean its all done in software that is why when you use em you will get more latency or drop outs if you dont have really good computer?

i dont know what do you suggest i should set the settings to...to achieve what i have told you its going to be used for so far?

g000fy · Dec 9, 2008, 10:00 PM

i just removed all drivers including asio, creative, kx and then used drivercleaner (not the new one) to remove all traces

i then installed kxdriver and disabled the creative gameport

everything is default and i havent touched anything

when i try and play an mp3 i get no sound...

uh O here we go

i swapped front and rear and have sound
but i started fooling with alot of the settings...
mic was always on even at desktop so i muted line-in, gain and mic.

need to find which one i use so when i hit record in a DAW it unmutes it.

wow this is so different then most driver interfaces for sound cards that i have seen.

Maddogg6 · Dec 10, 2008, 12:28 AM

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need to find which one i use so when i hit record in a DAW it unmutes it.

Well - it should be much like how you found them in Ableton - only subtract 1..

Ableton 1/2 = kX ASIO 0/1
Ableton 2/3 = kX ASIO 2/3

etc..

You can Adjust kX 'Ins and Outs' page until you hear the input...Make note of how kX calls it.

AC97 stuff - is the on-card audio stuff - all the external IO box is *not* ac97. (Mic / Line In, Analog CD, TAD, Aux) the AC97 has its own page in kX mixer.
Try not confuse those inputs with the others on the Ins & Outs Page...

AC97 is sorta special - you see AC97 and maybe AC97-2 on the Ins and Outs Page - for now, pay no attention to the AC97 page.
For now, you can just adjust all the levels on the kX mixer ins and outs page to get aquainted to their lables - (Line 3 may be called AUX 2 in kX - for instance)

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need to find which one i use so when i hit record in a DAW it unmutes it.

Arm the track to record - so it enables the VU meters for that track - then select different inputs till you see the level.

Maddogg6 · Dec 10, 2008, 12:32 AM

I'll make some pics to get you started with the kX DSP - if you decide to use kX- thats where the real fun is (fun = power + complexity) - the learning curve is worth it.

you can look at the kX help file... kX DSP/kX DSP guide for general info on what you see in the dsp applet.

g000fy · Dec 10, 2008, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Maddogg6

Heres how I have Sonar 6 setup for 24/48
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/2226/sonarxn2.jpg

ok i installed kxdrv3545b-full.exe and have had some problems.

using sonar 7.02 p.e.

first thing after i installed driver i rebooted and when i got to desktop i tried to play an mp3 and it wouldnt so i opened up kx mixer and un-checked swap front and that worked good
i get sound when playing the mp3.
configured kx asio control panel to use 24/48 8+8 @512 samples

here are my screenshots.
General
http://www.imagecoast.com/images/en1gma/general.jpg
Advanced
http://www.imagecoast.com/images/en1gma/advanced.jpg
Driver
http://www.imagecoast.com/images/en1gma/driver.jpg
App Data
http://www.imagecoast.com/images/en1gma/appdata.jpg

i know something isnt correct cause im only seeing 4+4 instead of 8+8 like i selected in asio control panel AND i cant get the level meter to work in sonar 7pe.....i prob messed some settings up in kx mixer.

damn this is complicated and im not a compuer noob

Maddogg6 · Dec 10, 2008, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by g000fy

i know something isnt correct cause im only seeing 4+4 instead of 8+8 like i selected in asio control panel AND i cant get the level meter to work in sonar 7pe.....i prob messed some settings up in kx mixer.

No that looks OK. Its funky in sonar 6. Looks correct in your pics.

If kX is too noisy you may need to revert to using CL ASIO (so you have more than 1 input) It seems you have done what needs to be done to at least hear the inputs, and if its noisy, its probably unacceptable.

You would just follow the same set up procedure for CL ASIO (Activate all the available INS and OUTS on the Driver Tab.

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damn this is complicated and im not a compuer noob

hehe - knowing 'computers' and knowing software are 2 different universes.
Its just new software - and your model sound card seems to have some issues with kX that I dont have.

PooshhMao · Dec 26, 2008, 08:21 PM

Known problem. I have the same problem, allegedly it is because of a lack of proper documentation how to initialize line in and mic in inputs.

Sometimes, the card appears to initialize correctly, and the inputs are silent.
Removing the card from the device manager and rebooting the PC is the only workaround known at this time.

aerond · Jan 20, 2009, 09:41 AM

* back to original post *

I experience the same noise issue with Audigy 4 pro and its hub.
As soon as I enable line 2, I get a huge noise (-45db).

If I unplug the power supply of the hub (firewire) then replug, the noise level drops to a far more reasonable level. But I can't use the volume knob anymore. (Mustafa technic)

I don't know what's going wrong with the external hub init but it is clear that the hub is capable of low noise and there is no noise pb with CL drivers. Maybe someone could throw a bug report?

imperia · Apr 9, 2009, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by aerond

* back to original post *

I experience the same noise issue with Audigy 4 pro and its hub.
As soon as I enable line 2, I get a huge noise (-45db).

If I unplug the power supply of the hub (firewire) then replug, the noise level drops to a far more reasonable level. But I can't use the volume knob anymore. (Mustafa technic)

I don't know what's going wrong with the external hub init but it is clear that the hub is capable of low noise and there is no noise pb with CL drivers. Maybe someone could throw a bug report?

Same for me SB Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Pro (SB0360). Does the hub's line-ins/mic work without power cable?

m0gkg · Jan 9, 2010, 01:50 AM

** BUMP **

Hi guys, im new to the kX drivers and have just experienced the infamous line in noise issue on the Audigy 2 ZS Plat Pro.....

Sorry to bump an old topic but didnt want to start ANOTHER thread just to ask the same old question....

Was just wondering if anyone has been able to find a proper solution as this seems to be the latest thread and its gets a bit off track in the later posts...the problem on my system only happens occasionally at the moment so I wasnt sure if someone has tried to address the issue in kX 3550, as the posts in this thread relate to prior versions..

Im running an SB0360 with external hub with kX 3550.

Regards

Rob

BuzzT · May 8, 2010, 07:54 PM

Hello, I have the same problem with noise @~-45db when using the mic input on my external hub. Any chance to solve that?

My current setup: KX 3545, SB0360 (Audigy2 Platinum Pro) with external I/O hub, WinXP 32bit

aerond · Jul 11, 2011, 07:26 AM

Wow, this thread is quite 7 years old now. And the issue is still the same (kx 3551).
Let me just add a little workaround for those who want to record both analog and midi inputs.
The only way we've found so far to reduce the analog input noise on the external hub was to unplug then replug the hub. This works great, but doing this will also disable midi (no more input or output). The idea is, when the hub has been reconnected and the noise is back to a normal level (around -90dB), just reinit the card parameters (kx config). It will enable the midi again but will destroy the current settings. Then, just reload your settings.

It doesn't take long to do and it is only to be done once a boot, and only if you need both midi and low noise on the external hub analog inputs. Let's hope that one day, CL will help us init those external hubs properly.

Dec 9, 2008, 09:23 PM	#122
Maddogg6 Tail Razer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bernyurass, AZ - USA Posts: 4,027 Rep Power: 0	Re: Noise problem with Audigy 2 ZS and 3537 Heres how I have Sonar 6 setup for 24/48 http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/2226/sonarxn2.jpg

Dec 9, 2008, 09:50 PM	#123
g000fy DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 47 Rep Power: 0	Re: Noise problem with Audigy 2 ZS and 3537 ok i gonna get it and install it right now. is there anything i need to adjust from its default settings? the only settings i really need are that 24/48 and line1, line2 and line3 ins and front l+r out so i dont need all the inputs and outputs that it has. the actually effects i dont (think) i need do i? the affects i use from plugins/vsts dont use the actual hardware on the sound card does it? i mean its all done in software that is why when you use em you will get more latency or drop outs if you dont have really good computer? i dont know what do you suggest i should set the settings to...to achieve what i have told you its going to be used for so far?

Dec 9, 2008, 10:00 PM	#124
g000fy DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 47 Rep Power: 0	Re: Noise problem with Audigy 2 ZS and 3537 i just removed all drivers including asio, creative, kx and then used drivercleaner (not the new one) to remove all traces i then installed kxdriver and disabled the creative gameport everything is default and i havent touched anything when i try and play an mp3 i get no sound... uh O here we go i swapped front and rear and have sound but i started fooling with alot of the settings... mic was always on even at desktop so i muted line-in, gain and mic. need to find which one i use so when i hit record in a DAW it unmutes it. wow this is so different then most driver interfaces for sound cards that i have seen. Last edited by g000fy; Dec 9, 2008 at 10:16 PM.

Dec 10, 2008, 12:32 AM	#126
Maddogg6 Tail Razer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bernyurass, AZ - USA Posts: 4,027 Rep Power: 0	Re: Noise problem with Audigy 2 ZS and 3537 I'll make some pics to get you started with the kX DSP - if you decide to use kX- thats where the real fun is (fun = power + complexity) - the learning curve is worth it. you can look at the kX help file... kX DSP/kX DSP guide for general info on what you see in the dsp applet.

Dec 26, 2008, 08:21 PM	#129
PooshhMao DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 48 Rep Power: 0	Re: Noise problem with Audigy 2 ZS and 3537 Known problem. I have the same problem, allegedly it is because of a lack of proper documentation how to initialize line in and mic in inputs. Sometimes, the card appears to initialize correctly, and the inputs are silent. Removing the card from the device manager and rebooting the PC is the only workaround known at this time.

Jan 20, 2009, 09:41 AM	#130
aerond HardwareHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Indian Ocean Posts: 17 Rep Power: 0	Re : Noise problem with Audigy 2 ZS and 3537 * back to original post * I experience the same noise issue with Audigy 4 pro and its hub. As soon as I enable line 2, I get a huge noise (-45db). If I unplug the power supply of the hub (firewire) then replug, the noise level drops to a far more reasonable level. But I can't use the volume knob anymore. (Mustafa technic) I don't know what's going wrong with the external hub init but it is clear that the hub is capable of low noise and there is no noise pb with CL drivers. Maybe someone could throw a bug report?

Jan 9, 2010, 01:50 AM	#132
m0gkg HardwareHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 6 Rep Power: 0	Re: Noise problem with Audigy 2 ZS and 3537 BUMP Hi guys, im new to the kX drivers and have just experienced the infamous line in noise issue on the Audigy 2 ZS Plat Pro..... Sorry to bump an old topic but didnt want to start ANOTHER thread just to ask the same old question.... Was just wondering if anyone has been able to find a proper solution as this seems to be the latest thread and its gets a bit off track in the later posts...the problem on my system only happens occasionally at the moment so I wasnt sure if someone has tried to address the issue in kX 3550, as the posts in this thread relate to prior versions.. Im running an SB0360 with external hub with kX 3550. Regards Rob

May 8, 2010, 07:54 PM	#133
BuzzT HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 27 Rep Power: 0	Re: Noise problem with Audigy 2 ZS and 3537 Hello, I have the same problem with noise @~-45db when using the mic input on my external hub. Any chance to solve that? My current setup: KX 3545, SB0360 (Audigy2 Platinum Pro) with external I/O hub, WinXP 32bit

Jul 11, 2011, 07:26 AM	#134
aerond HardwareHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Indian Ocean Posts: 17 Rep Power: 0	Re : Noise problem with Audigy 2 ZS and 3537 Wow, this thread is quite 7 years old now. And the issue is still the same (kx 3551). Let me just add a little workaround for those who want to record both analog and midi inputs. The only way we've found so far to reduce the analog input noise on the external hub was to unplug then replug the hub. This works great, but doing this will also disable midi (no more input or output). The idea is, when the hub has been reconnected and the noise is back to a normal level (around -90dB), just reinit the card parameters (kx config). It will enable the midi again but will destroy the current settings. Then, just reload your settings. It doesn't take long to do and it is only to be done once a boot, and only if you need both midi and low noise on the external hub analog inputs. Let's hope that one day, CL will help us init those external hubs properly.