A suggestion to Eugene

JGSF · Sep 13, 2004, 04:27 PM

First if all, let me say that I don't have any programmer skills, I hope that I don't say any crap.

Would it be possible to create a version of Kx drivers that would run, hmm, how can I say, O.S. independent kind, to be used as a DSP, in an *.iso format or something, that would run and load the drivers, without the need of a hardisk or anything, with just a few megs of RAM and a Pentium I, with a graphical interface like the windows version, but focused on the DSP functions. If someone as already had this idea I apologize, I'm a newbie. Also, sorry for any eventual mistakes in my English

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Kx drivers rulez!

~~Tiger's Eye~~ · Sep 13, 2004, 05:16 PM

And then you woke up...

JGSF · Sep 13, 2004, 05:24 PM

excuse me?

peate · Sep 13, 2004, 05:33 PM

What are you talking about. You want kX for DOS? What do you want to do with it?

Strange request. Maybe it was, as the Eye said, just a dream.

Pierre

Daniel Drummond · Sep 13, 2004, 05:46 PM

I guess what he wants is an operating system dedicated to music, targeted to kx drivers that would load directly from a cd and that would use the resources in the computer mainly for music making it suitable to run in older computers...

JGSF · Sep 13, 2004, 05:54 PM

Maybe I didn't make myself clear... It's not a strange request, it's an idea that you didn't understand. Take this example: suppose you only want to watch movies in your pc. Someone had a "strange" "dream" called GeeXbox (http://www.geexbox.org/en/index.html), that it's O.S. independent movie player, or whatever you want to call it. You just boot a CD with the iso in it, insert the movie and you're ready to go. Sooooooo, I just thought of something like this for kx, where it would boot the same way, splash the interface, plug my guitar or mic, adjust the parameters, and have a DSP ready to use. Something like this wouldn't require a powerful CPU nor much RAM, since it would use the emu10kx chip power. And I could write so much more about this...

Lex Nahumury · Sep 13, 2004, 11:01 PM

Not a strange request/idea at all.

What johnny1982 means is a "embedded PC solution" using a 10kx CL card's DSP
as a programmable 'Effect Box'.

/LeMury

JGSF · Sep 13, 2004, 11:32 PM

Thanks!

~~Tiger's Eye~~ · Sep 14, 2004, 05:57 AM

No one argued that it was theoretically impossible, but it would involve coding additional stuff (like the GeeXbox - it's creators state that it is an "operating system", not just an application).

I don't know why such a thing would be useful and I doubt that E. would ever spend so much time in rewriting everything from scratch, but who knows...

pzad · Sep 14, 2004, 06:05 AM

I think it is based on linux + mplayer.

Lex Nahumury · Sep 14, 2004, 07:03 AM

>>..but it would involve coding additional stuff (like the GeeXbox - it's
>>creators state that it is an "operating system", not just an application).

Yes of course it has to be an OS. That's the "fun" part.

>>I don't know why such a thing would be useful

I do. For example;
- take a cheap small footprint mainboard like VIA EPIA,
- a cheap sblive.
- stuff it neatly into a 19" rack
- some switches and an LCD display
- compile a small lightweight dedicated LINUX kernel + app
- boot from a FlashRom/Card or whatever
- connect it via Ethernet to a PC for DSP-plugin development/upload
and you have a crash free portable freely programmable FX-box with
MIDI and sampler capabilities.

>>.. and I doubt that E. would ever spend so much time in rewriting
>>everything from scratch........

I also seriously doubt that, but that doesn't mean it's a bad or strange
idea. Even more so since;
- a lot of coding already has been done by Linux/ALSA.
So one doesn't has to begin from scratch at all.
- there's no need to implement ASIO, GSIF, DirectX, WinMME, ac3 etc. etc.

/LeMury

~~Tiger's Eye~~ · Sep 14, 2004, 10:01 AM

Interesting ideas.
There is another possibility of making a portable fully programmable dafx processor out of kX. Grab a laptop, buy an external pci board to connect the sound card(s) (since kx doesn't support usb cards afaik). And you get a very compact, but expensive unit. But I'm not very familliar how the extern. pci is connected to the mobo (maybe via usb?) and whether it will actually work with kX.

**dj_stick** · Sep 15, 2004, 12:55 AM

could be useful with 1U rack mounted computers… synth/sampler rack

Sep 13, 2004, 04:27 PM	#1
JGSF HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 452 Rep Power: 0	A suggestion to Eugene First if all, let me say that I don't have any programmer skills, I hope that I don't say any crap. Would it be possible to create a version of Kx drivers that would run, hmm, how can I say, O.S. independent kind, to be used as a DSP, in an *.iso format or something, that would run and load the drivers, without the need of a hardisk or anything, with just a few megs of RAM and a Pentium I, with a graphical interface like the windows version, but focused on the DSP functions. If someone as already had this idea I apologize, I'm a newbie. Also, sorry for any eventual mistakes in my English . Kx drivers rulez!

Sep 13, 2004, 05:46 PM	#5
Daniel Drummond DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Brazil Posts: 1,137 Rep Power: 0	I guess what he wants is an operating system dedicated to music, targeted to kx drivers that would load directly from a cd and that would use the resources in the computer mainly for music making it suitable to run in older computers... __________________ www.palcomp3.com.br/ed

Sep 13, 2004, 05:54 PM	Thread Starter #6
JGSF HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 452 Rep Power: 0	Maybe I didn't make myself clear... It's not a strange request, it's an idea that you didn't understand. Take this example: suppose you only want to watch movies in your pc. Someone had a "strange" "dream" called GeeXbox (http://www.geexbox.org/en/index.html), that it's O.S. independent movie player, or whatever you want to call it. You just boot a CD with the iso in it, insert the movie and you're ready to go. Sooooooo, I just thought of something like this for kx, where it would boot the same way, splash the interface, plug my guitar or mic, adjust the parameters, and have a DSP ready to use. Something like this wouldn't require a powerful CPU nor much RAM, since it would use the emu10kx chip power. And I could write so much more about this... Last edited by JGSF; Sep 13, 2004 at 06:02 PM.

Sep 13, 2004, 11:01 PM	#7
Lex Nahumury DH Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,932 Rep Power: 64	Not a strange request/idea at all. What johnny1982 means is a "embedded PC solution" using a 10kx CL card's DSP as a programmable 'Effect Box'. /LeMury Last edited by LeMury; Sep 13, 2004 at 11:08 PM.

Sep 13, 2004, 05:16 PM	#2
~~Tiger's Eye~~ Banned Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 23 Rep Power: 0	And then you woke up...

Sep 13, 2004, 05:24 PM	Thread Starter #3
JGSF HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 452 Rep Power: 0	excuse me?

Sep 13, 2004, 05:33 PM	#4
peate HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 409 Rep Power: 57	What are you talking about. You want kX for DOS? What do you want to do with it? Strange request. Maybe it was, as the Eye said, just a dream. Pierre

Sep 13, 2004, 11:32 PM	Thread Starter #8
JGSF HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 452 Rep Power: 0	Thanks!

Sep 14, 2004, 05:57 AM	#9
~~Tiger's Eye~~ Banned Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 23 Rep Power: 0	No one argued that it was theoretically impossible, but it would involve coding additional stuff (like the GeeXbox - it's creators state that it is an "operating system", not just an application). I don't know why such a thing would be useful and I doubt that E. would ever spend so much time in rewriting everything from scratch, but who knows...

Sep 14, 2004, 06:05 AM	#10
pzad DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 40 Rep Power: 0	I think it is based on linux + mplayer.

Sep 14, 2004, 07:03 AM	#11
Lex Nahumury DH Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,932 Rep Power: 64	>>..but it would involve coding additional stuff (like the GeeXbox - it's >>creators state that it is an "operating system", not just an application). Yes of course it has to be an OS. That's the "fun" part. >>I don't know why such a thing would be useful I do. For example; - take a cheap small footprint mainboard like VIA EPIA, - a cheap sblive. - stuff it neatly into a 19" rack - some switches and an LCD display - compile a small lightweight dedicated LINUX kernel + app - boot from a FlashRom/Card or whatever - connect it via Ethernet to a PC for DSP-plugin development/upload and you have a crash free portable freely programmable FX-box with MIDI and sampler capabilities. >>.. and I doubt that E. would ever spend so much time in rewriting >>everything from scratch........ I also seriously doubt that, but that doesn't mean it's a bad or strange idea. Even more so since; - a lot of coding already has been done by Linux/ALSA. So one doesn't has to begin from scratch at all. - there's no need to implement ASIO, GSIF, DirectX, WinMME, ac3 etc. etc. /LeMury

Sep 14, 2004, 10:01 AM	#12
~~Tiger's Eye~~ Banned Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 23 Rep Power: 0	Interesting ideas. There is another possibility of making a portable fully programmable dafx processor out of kX. Grab a laptop, buy an external pci board to connect the sound card(s) (since kx doesn't support usb cards afaik). And you get a very compact, but expensive unit. But I'm not very familliar how the extern. pci is connected to the mobo (maybe via usb?) and whether it will actually work with kX.