ASIO4all v2 or KX drivers v3537? (what one best ASIO performance?)

kmuland · Nov 19, 2004, 03:27 PM

Anyone have made tests for check what drivers gives better ASIO performance?

Samir · Nov 19, 2004, 07:24 PM

there's no need to comapre these... kX is BETTER, FASTER, MORE POWERFULL and MORE BEAUTIFUL!

and ASIO for ALL has it's own adventage: It is compatibile with almost anything!

kX works only with 10Kx cards...

mufasa · Nov 20, 2004, 06:29 PM

ASIO4all website itself says to use KX for SB Live! if you are doing music.

And that is that.

Toadly_Ossum · Nov 21, 2004, 02:04 AM

I use and love kX. But with kX alone I was not able to run Cubase and Logic (or Vstack and Logic) simultainiously. Using Asio4all and kX at the same time on the same card works great! This enables me to use Cubase as my main sequencer but record the audio from those amazing Logic instruments. On stage I run Vstack (with numerous Vsti) and Logic (and its great sounding instruments) at the same time.

Toad

erim · Jul 14, 2006, 12:02 PM

I got a SB0060 and installed the kx drivers. They are very nice, especially for all the features they have. (The parametric EQ by UFX should be included by defeault, it's great!)

But I had the Asio4all drivers already installed, so I tried to use them on top of the kx ones... the result:
I can get better performance by using Asio4all (v2.7). Aka I get less clicks/pops at 2.6ms latency.
I tried this in Renoise and Cubase, it's the same.

I was kinda surprised by this, since I thought Asio4all will use more CPU. Is this normal?

Doug W · Jul 14, 2006, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Aka I get less clicks/pops at 2.6ms latency

This has been an issue with the later versions but not version 3534f.

Check out this thread:
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/asio/101484-kx-asio-performance-attention-lex-n.html

erim · Jul 14, 2006, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug W

This has been an issue with the later versions but not version 3534f.

Check out this thread:
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/showthread.php?t=101484

OK, might try the 3534f then. Any issues with that version for any apps/games?
Will I still be able to use the parametric EQ - EQ P5?

I have to uninstall my current driver and install the older one, right?

erim · Jul 14, 2006, 06:38 PM

So, I tried the 3534f and it's the same. I get about as much pops as with 3537 and Asio4all performs better with 3534f as well.

Doug W · Jul 14, 2006, 07:05 PM

Quote:

I get about as much pops as with 3537

Bummer. Don't know what to say, My pops and clicks went away with 3534f. You have all the usual system tweaks for audio?

erim · Jul 14, 2006, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug W

Bummer. Don't know what to say, My pops and clicks went away with 3534f. You have all the usual system tweaks for audio?

Yeah, the PC is ok, I guess. Actually these pops happen only if the CPU is used by a certain %, for some songs at around 20% for others at around 40%, ...(depends on VSTs/VSTis probably). I guess you already knew that, tho.
But what's interesting is that with Asio4all the CPU usage is slightly higher, yet it has less pops.

Doug W · Jul 14, 2006, 08:39 PM

So what do you have for a PC -RAM, CPU, OS, etc.

And how many tracks are you working with and do you use effects on each individual track?

erim · Jul 14, 2006, 09:59 PM

A64 3200+, 1GB of ram ddr 400mhz dual channel, Asrock 939dual-sata2, WinXP SP2.
SB0060, my DSP: FXBus->EQ P5->epilog, stereo output, kx 3537.

I tried the drivers with songs up to 10 tracks with plenty of effects on each track. Actually I'm not really complaining about the overall performance. I mean pops at 2.6ms are to be expected, when using some effects and synths right?

Doug W · Jul 14, 2006, 10:56 PM

Well I believe so. On my PIII (see system specs in my signature), I normally keep it at 21.33ms. I do pretty much all analog recording so it doesn't seem to effect me. When I switched back to 3534f, I experimented recording 15 tracks with effects in each of them. I was able to play back without pops or clicks but the CPU usage was hovering around 90% or above.

In real life recording situations I only have enough creativity for 8 to 10 tracks, then my mind shuts off so I don't run into problems with stressing this old computer.

glocklee · Jul 18, 2006, 07:34 AM

Is Asio4All real ASIO driver?
some documents say it is called "kernel streaming"and only simulate ASIO(so,many on-board cards support "ASIO" then...)

**dj_stick** · Jul 18, 2006, 02:15 PM

you are correct

it's not a driver per se, it doesn't replace the stock drivers like kX does, rather it "adds" asio support

glocklee · Jul 18, 2006, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dj_stick

you are correct

it's not a driver per se, it doesn't replace the stock drivers like kX does, rather it "adds" asio support

will the quality of sound be affected?

before i make sure,using KX is the best choice......^_^

Sunwalker · Jul 18, 2006, 10:32 PM

Asio4all works better for me. Cubase SX3 and about 5ms buffer i got popping with kx but not with asio4all...

Nov 19, 2004, 03:27 PM	#1
kmuland HardwareHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	ASIO4all v2 or KX drivers v3537? (what one best ASIO performance?) Anyone have made tests for check what drivers gives better ASIO performance?

Nov 19, 2004, 07:24 PM	#2
Samir kX Lover Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 520 Rep Power: 0	there's no need to comapre these... kX is BETTER, FASTER, MORE POWERFULL and MORE BEAUTIFUL! and ASIO for ALL has it's own adventage: It is compatibile with almost anything! kX works only with 10Kx cards... __________________ MU3NKA 3A HAPO6!

Nov 20, 2004, 06:29 PM	#3
mufasa DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 50 Rep Power: 0	ASIO4all website itself says to use KX for SB Live! if you are doing music. And that is that.

Nov 21, 2004, 02:04 AM	#4
Toadly_Ossum DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 228 Rep Power: 0	I use and love kX. But with kX alone I was not able to run Cubase and Logic (or Vstack and Logic) simultainiously. Using Asio4all and kX at the same time on the same card works great! This enables me to use Cubase as my main sequencer but record the audio from those amazing Logic instruments. On stage I run Vstack (with numerous Vsti) and Logic (and its great sounding instruments) at the same time. Toad

Jul 14, 2006, 12:02 PM	#5
erim HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 52 Rep Power: 0	I got a SB0060 and installed the kx drivers. They are very nice, especially for all the features they have. (The parametric EQ by UFX should be included by defeault, it's great!) But I had the Asio4all drivers already installed, so I tried to use them on top of the kx ones... the result: I can get better performance by using Asio4all (v2.7). Aka I get less clicks/pops at 2.6ms latency. I tried this in Renoise and Cubase, it's the same. I was kinda surprised by this, since I thought Asio4all will use more CPU. Is this normal?

Jul 14, 2006, 06:38 PM	#8
erim HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 52 Rep Power: 0	So, I tried the 3534f and it's the same. I get about as much pops as with 3537 and Asio4all performs better with 3534f as well.

Jul 14, 2006, 08:39 PM	#11
Doug W HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Montevideo, MN USA Posts: 973 Rep Power: 0	So what do you have for a PC -RAM, CPU, OS, etc. And how many tracks are you working with and do you use effects on each individual track?

Jul 14, 2006, 09:59 PM	#12
erim HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 52 Rep Power: 0	A64 3200+, 1GB of ram ddr 400mhz dual channel, Asrock 939dual-sata2, WinXP SP2. SB0060, my DSP: FXBus->EQ P5->epilog, stereo output, kx 3537. I tried the drivers with songs up to 10 tracks with plenty of effects on each track. Actually I'm not really complaining about the overall performance. I mean pops at 2.6ms are to be expected, when using some effects and synths right?

Jul 14, 2006, 10:56 PM	#13
Doug W HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Montevideo, MN USA Posts: 973 Rep Power: 0	Well I believe so. On my PIII (see system specs in my signature), I normally keep it at 21.33ms. I do pretty much all analog recording so it doesn't seem to effect me. When I switched back to 3534f, I experimented recording 15 tracks with effects in each of them. I was able to play back without pops or clicks but the CPU usage was hovering around 90% or above. In real life recording situations I only have enough creativity for 8 to 10 tracks, then my mind shuts off so I don't run into problems with stressing this old computer.

Jul 18, 2006, 07:34 AM	#14
glocklee DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 7 Rep Power: 0	Is Asio4All real ASIO driver? some documents say it is called "kernel streaming"and only simulate ASIO(so,many on-board cards support "ASIO" then...)

Jul 18, 2006, 10:32 PM	#17
Sunwalker DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1 Rep Power: 0	Asio4all works better for me. Cubase SX3 and about 5ms buffer i got popping with kx but not with asio4all...