kX 3538h workaround for SB0400, Audigy2 Value

igor_levicki · Mar 31, 2005, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by popej

I have made some measurements, you can see results here:
http://www.anpo.republika.pl/sb0400/index.html

In case you measured with Creative drivers, in AC97 line-in test seems that you have some loopback. You probably haven't set mixer and eax console as suggested in RMAA manual.

popej · Mar 31, 2005, 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by igor_levicki

In case you measured with Creative drivers, in AC97 line-in test seems that you have some loopback. You probably haven't set mixer and eax console as suggested in RMAA manual.

AC97 was measured with kx drivers, exactly the same setup as UDA measurements, only different input was selected in MX6 plugin.
To be sure, I retested it once again with simplest DSP setup, AC97 directly connected to WinMM recording in k2lt. I also increased analog gain to 1.5dB to get better SNR. You can see new results in the same place:
http://www.anpo.republika.pl/sb0400/index.html

Probably ripples on frequency response are feature of Sigmatel AC97 :-)

TravelRec. · Apr 7, 2005, 06:39 AM

[color=red]News:[/color] I´m working on the digital dongle that can be connected to the white digital I/O jack. For now the digital input is working as standard level SPDIF (0-5V) and it appears in kX as coaxial/optical input (as expected). The output is also a standard level SPDIF signal and I can read it with another PC and kX on the other PC tells me that the signal is valid audio. The thing is, that I can´t put any signal to that output of the SB0400, no matter what I select in the kXlt or Epilog. So I think, the internal port of that output differs from a normal Audigy2 and this needs to be matched in a newer kX version.

popej · Apr 7, 2005, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TravelRec.

The output is also a standard level SPDIF signal and I can read it with another PC and kX on the other PC tells me that the signal is valid audio.

On which frequency does SPDIF work? Can you change SPDIF frequency in kx mixer?

Quote:

Originally Posted by TravelRec.

The thing is, that I can´t put any signal to that output of the SB0400, no matter what I select in the kXlt or Epilog. So I think, the internal port of that output differs from a normal Audigy2 and this needs to be matched in a newer kX version.

According to Creative SB0400 should support SPDIF bit-accurate playback with 44.1, 48 and 96kHz. Maybe signal routing is different then in previous versions of chipset?
Can you get any output using wave HQ? Do settings in kx 24/96 router change anything?

TravelRec. · Apr 8, 2005, 06:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by popej

On which frequency does SPDIF work? Can you change SPDIF frequency in kx mixer??

It is set to 96000Hz, since the card do not work (for now) on other SPDIF frequencies.

Quote:

Originally Posted by popej

According to Creative SB0400 should support SPDIF bit-accurate playback with 44.1, 48 and 96kHz. Maybe signal routing is different then in previous versions of chipset?
Can you get any output using wave HQ? Do settings in kx 24/96 router change anything?

I´m quite sure that the routing is different from other cards, ´cause the analog outs appear on the digitals and who knows where the upper (otherwise unused) channels 7 and 8 are connected internally?! Settings in 24/96 router are useless. HQ device is not intensively tested for now. I will reply if I know more.

**Eugene Gavrilov** · May 20, 2005, 12:15 AM

>> So I think, the internal port of that output differs from a normal Audigy2

perhaps, a different output register is used
we will need to create a translation table for all inputs/outputs found on the new a2value
(when 3538i is out)

E.

TravelRec. · May 20, 2005, 09:27 AM

Okay, I´m here for tests

! BTW, Audigy2 Value has no gameport but MIDI functionality - have fo find the correct solder points to get some in´s and out´s for MIDI.

captainneutron · Jun 2, 2005, 09:13 AM

I'm planning to get an Audigy 2 Value. Sounds like all the main functions of an Audigy 2 Value can be used with current kx-drivers!?
However, I am upgrading from a Soundblaster Live! 5.1 (SB00060). Do you think it's worth it?
(I am only using the analog outs) SNR seems to be much better on the A2...
Will I notice any changes in Direct3D-Games? Apart from the better overall soundquality? (Sometimes I still have crackles with my Live 5.1...)
And: Do I have to swap front and rear like for my live 5.1 to get better output for front?
I read that it is possible with Audigy 2 Value to do AC3 Decoding in Hardware. Do you need Creatives drivers for that?

Furthermore I have an onboard nVidia SoundCard, what do you think about that? Tested it already: Sound is not bad, but SNR seems to be better on my Live 5.1. Poor DACs on the Board I assume...

Thanx for your opinions

PS: Do you need to reinstall drivers and DSP-settings?

lament · Jun 3, 2005, 06:38 AM

Keep your SB 5.1

Greetings,
Samo Vodopivec

TravelRec. · Jun 3, 2005, 08:59 AM

Yep, I would say you wait a bit until full support for A2V is added. Then we can make further testing. A2V has more resources and better sound, but no gameport and no MIDI by general, you have to solder around to get all possible featuers the card offers. It depends on what you want to do mainly, only listening music and watching DVDs? Then the card is fine, for more professional use I would prefer the real Audigy2ZS series.

captainneutron · Jun 3, 2005, 09:05 AM

What, no MIDI? You mean just the missing MIDI-Port or doesn't kx support MIDI-Output at the moment? I mainly use it for MusicListening, DVD and Direct3D-Gaming. However I have a huge MIDI-Library (7000 Files) which I don't want to loose...

TravelRec. · Jun 3, 2005, 09:33 AM

Yes, no GamePort and no MIDI-Port. The MIDI-Port can be replicated, kX supports it fully, look here: http://www.hardwareheaven.com/general-discussion/75439-midi-kit-audigy2-sb0400.html

The card has the well known hardware synths (soundfont) onboard, they play fine with your tracks if you only want to play them back. If you want to use external equipment, you have to solder....

captainneutron · Jun 4, 2005, 12:53 PM

OK, no more Audigy 2 Value for me. Just bought an Audigy 1 (SB00092) for 20 €.

Any Suggestions for the settings of the resampling plugin for winamp? 16/48, 24/48 or 24/96? Somebody said somewhere that the Audigy 1 is no true 24-Bit card and internal everything is done in 16/48 is that correct??

TravelRec. · Jun 5, 2005, 08:52 AM

Yes, correct. BTW: Audigy 1 SB0090 and SB0092 has the best expandation capabilities due a fully connected AUD_EXT Header

.

captainneutron · Jun 5, 2005, 09:25 AM

This means switching to 16/48 in winamp is best?
I found this on a forum. I am confused now wether kx drivers are able to get true 24 bit analog output or not....

"Also the Audigy1 digital output *is* 96kHz, 24-bit.

I think the issues are about:
- the Audigy1 analog output, which is 48kHz with 16 or 24 bits if I'm not mistaken.
- microsoft's waveout interface in general, which sucks at 24-bit support (it's just as crippled and inefficient as every microsoft standard I know of)

Personally I can use 96kHz/24bit output in winamp's SSRC plugin, and I assume the signal is unmodified until the digital output. That should be a reasonable assumption, because the Megaworks, designed for the Audigy, have a 24-bit, 96kHz 6-channel digital input. Also, I selected 96kHz as digital output sampling frequency in Creative's control panel.
Yep, it is.
kX Project has a special trick (not implemented yet) to enable 24-bit on analog output. So, hardware can do it, but CL drivers don't use most of hardware. "

Searched a little more:
[color=red]http://www.hardwareheaven.com/showthread.php?t=24803&page=2&pp=15&highlight=audi gy+true+bit[/color]

24/48 seems to be possible for audigy 1 on analog outs.

However I get the "4 dark green stripes" already without replacing FXBus with FXBusX. Perhaps because it's the latest driver!?

Tyanah · Jun 10, 2005, 02:19 PM

Hi,

Sounds great but with my A2V but i've the default setting and can't do mine because it's like chinese for me do mod the dsp.

Is there any one can share is kx settings in kx files ?
I only listen to radio via streaming in Winamp and play some game all that in 5.1 setting and never record anything nor using mic for skype and voipbuster.

Thanks in advance.

PS:For all the Winamp users i find a very great plugin for Audigy series. You can grab the latest version here :http://www.hqsoftproc.go.ro/ because on winamp.com it's just an older one. Thanks to Adrian Paul for this plug.

Мамеле · Jul 11, 2005, 04:07 PM

Dear Tyanah,

I can can you my kx settings file, I've just bought and set up Audigy 2 Value with kx 3538h. You can use it as a starting point for your own experiments.

My email is artefact(at)sendmail.ru

Take care.
A. vbmenu_register("postmenu_622530", true);

npmg · Dec 12, 2005, 06:52 PM

whitch drivers of Kx work on it ?? (SB0400) ???

TravelRec. · Dec 13, 2005, 03:25 PM

All versions of 3538 - partially. Full support is not available yet. Read all the previous posts in this thread to get all available information.

npmg · Dec 14, 2005, 12:32 PM

why my sb0400 (audigy 2 value) not play like sb live 5.1 (SB0100) ?? Help me set
in kx 3538i driver that will be 5.1 sound . What plug in DSP to make 5.1 sound in analog out and every channel have to be a volume from a kx mixer. When I used on my old SB live 5.1 kx 3537 was great!! Now on my new audigy 2 value on 3538i kx's is something wrong! Different settings. Driver v3537 not see my card and don't wanna be installed on sb0400..
please help me.. maybe will be some more support for SB0400..;-)
will be nice (where can I get partially 3538 ??)
great
please reply

TravelRec. · Dec 15, 2005, 10:28 AM

All 3538 versions (so a-i) do support the SB0400 partially, not fully. Some issues and output problems remain yet. 3537 does NOT support the SB0400. Different 3538 versions you can get from the forum here. Be sure you install the drivers in the right way - read the specified threads please.

npmg · Dec 16, 2005, 07:11 AM

I can't wait for full support SB0400 ;-)

Apr 7, 2005, 06:39 AM	Thread Starter #33
TravelRec. Alternative Audioproductions Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Germany / Sachsen-Anhalt Posts: 1,710 Rep Power: 0	[color=red]News:[/color] I´m working on the digital dongle that can be connected to the white digital I/O jack. For now the digital input is working as standard level SPDIF (0-5V) and it appears in kX as coaxial/optical input (as expected). The output is also a standard level SPDIF signal and I can read it with another PC and kX on the other PC tells me that the signal is valid audio. The thing is, that I can´t put any signal to that output of the SB0400, no matter what I select in the kXlt or Epilog. So I think, the internal port of that output differs from a normal Audigy2 and this needs to be matched in a newer kX version. __________________ Always take a look behind.

May 20, 2005, 09:27 AM	Thread Starter #37
TravelRec. Alternative Audioproductions Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Germany / Sachsen-Anhalt Posts: 1,710 Rep Power: 0	Okay, I´m here for tests ! BTW, Audigy2 Value has no gameport but MIDI functionality - have fo find the correct solder points to get some in´s and out´s for MIDI. __________________ Always take a look behind.

Jun 2, 2005, 09:13 AM	#38
captainneutron DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16 Rep Power: 0	I'm planning to get an Audigy 2 Value. Sounds like all the main functions of an Audigy 2 Value can be used with current kx-drivers!? However, I am upgrading from a Soundblaster Live! 5.1 (SB00060). Do you think it's worth it? (I am only using the analog outs) SNR seems to be much better on the A2... Will I notice any changes in Direct3D-Games? Apart from the better overall soundquality? (Sometimes I still have crackles with my Live 5.1...) And: Do I have to swap front and rear like for my live 5.1 to get better output for front? I read that it is possible with Audigy 2 Value to do AC3 Decoding in Hardware. Do you need Creatives drivers for that? Furthermore I have an onboard nVidia SoundCard, what do you think about that? Tested it already: Sound is not bad, but SNR seems to be better on my Live 5.1. Poor DACs on the Board I assume... Thanx for your opinions PS: Do you need to reinstall drivers and DSP-settings? Last edited by captainneutron; Jun 2, 2005 at 09:39 AM.

Jun 3, 2005, 08:59 AM	Thread Starter #40
TravelRec. Alternative Audioproductions Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Germany / Sachsen-Anhalt Posts: 1,710 Rep Power: 0	Yep, I would say you wait a bit until full support for A2V is added. Then we can make further testing. A2V has more resources and better sound, but no gameport and no MIDI by general, you have to solder around to get all possible featuers the card offers. It depends on what you want to do mainly, only listening music and watching DVDs? Then the card is fine, for more professional use I would prefer the real Audigy2ZS series. __________________ Always take a look behind.

Jun 3, 2005, 09:33 AM	Thread Starter #42
TravelRec. Alternative Audioproductions Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Germany / Sachsen-Anhalt Posts: 1,710 Rep Power: 0	Yes, no GamePort and no MIDI-Port. The MIDI-Port can be replicated, kX supports it fully, look here: http://www.hardwareheaven.com/general-discussion/75439-midi-kit-audigy2-sb0400.html The card has the well known hardware synths (soundfont) onboard, they play fine with your tracks if you only want to play them back. If you want to use external equipment, you have to solder.... __________________ Always take a look behind.

May 20, 2005, 12:15 AM	#36
Eugene Gavrilov kX Project Lead Programmer and Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,119 Rep Power: 75	>> So I think, the internal port of that output differs from a normal Audigy2 perhaps, a different output register is used we will need to create a translation table for all inputs/outputs found on the new a2value (when 3538i is out) E.

Jun 3, 2005, 06:38 AM	#39
lament DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 40 Rep Power: 0	Keep your SB 5.1 Greetings, Samo Vodopivec

Jun 3, 2005, 09:05 AM	#41
captainneutron DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16 Rep Power: 0	What, no MIDI? You mean just the missing MIDI-Port or doesn't kx support MIDI-Output at the moment? I mainly use it for MusicListening, DVD and Direct3D-Gaming. However I have a huge MIDI-Library (7000 Files) which I don't want to loose...

Jun 4, 2005, 12:53 PM	#43
captainneutron DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16 Rep Power: 0	OK, no more Audigy 2 Value for me. Just bought an Audigy 1 (SB00092) for 20 €. Any Suggestions for the settings of the resampling plugin for winamp? 16/48, 24/48 or 24/96? Somebody said somewhere that the Audigy 1 is no true 24-Bit card and internal everything is done in 16/48 is that correct??

Jun 5, 2005, 08:52 AM	Thread Starter #44
TravelRec. Alternative Audioproductions Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Germany / Sachsen-Anhalt Posts: 1,710 Rep Power: 0	Yes, correct. BTW: Audigy 1 SB0090 and SB0092 has the best expandation capabilities due a fully connected AUD_EXT Header . __________________ Always take a look behind.

Jun 5, 2005, 09:25 AM	#45
captainneutron DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16 Rep Power: 0	This means switching to 16/48 in winamp is best? I found this on a forum. I am confused now wether kx drivers are able to get true 24 bit analog output or not.... "Also the Audigy1 digital output is 96kHz, 24-bit. I think the issues are about: - the Audigy1 analog output, which is 48kHz with 16 or 24 bits if I'm not mistaken. - microsoft's waveout interface in general, which sucks at 24-bit support (it's just as crippled and inefficient as every microsoft standard I know of) Personally I can use 96kHz/24bit output in winamp's SSRC plugin, and I assume the signal is unmodified until the digital output. That should be a reasonable assumption, because the Megaworks, designed for the Audigy, have a 24-bit, 96kHz 6-channel digital input. Also, I selected 96kHz as digital output sampling frequency in Creative's control panel. Yep, it is. kX Project has a special trick (not implemented yet) to enable 24-bit on analog output. So, hardware can do it, but CL drivers don't use most of hardware. " Searched a little more: [color=red]http://www.hardwareheaven.com/showthread.php?t=24803&page=2&pp=15&highlight=audi gy+true+bit[/color] 24/48 seems to be possible for audigy 1 on analog outs. However I get the "4 dark green stripes" already without replacing FXBus with FXBusX. Perhaps because it's the latest driver!? Last edited by captainneutron; Jun 5, 2005 at 09:36 AM.

Jun 10, 2005, 02:19 PM	#46
Tyanah DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	Hi, Sounds great but with my A2V but i've the default setting and can't do mine because it's like chinese for me do mod the dsp. Is there any one can share is kx settings in kx files ? I only listen to radio via streaming in Winamp and play some game all that in 5.1 setting and never record anything nor using mic for skype and voipbuster. Thanks in advance. PS:For all the Winamp users i find a very great plugin for Audigy series. You can grab the latest version here :http://www.hqsoftproc.go.ro/ because on winamp.com it's just an older one. Thanks to Adrian Paul for this plug. __________________ [COLOR=DarkRed]Sorry for the spelling mistakes, i'm French.[/COLOR]

Jul 11, 2005, 04:07 PM	#47
Мамеле DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 25 Rep Power: 0	Dear Tyanah, I can can you my kx settings file, I've just bought and set up Audigy 2 Value with kx 3538h. You can use it as a starting point for your own experiments. My email is artefact(at)sendmail.ru Take care. A. vbmenu_register("postmenu_622530", true);

Dec 12, 2005, 06:52 PM	#48
npmg DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Poland Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	whitch drivers of Kx work on it ?? (SB0400) ???

Dec 13, 2005, 03:25 PM	Thread Starter #49
TravelRec. Alternative Audioproductions Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Germany / Sachsen-Anhalt Posts: 1,710 Rep Power: 0	All versions of 3538 - partially. Full support is not available yet. Read all the previous posts in this thread to get all available information. __________________ Always take a look behind.

Dec 14, 2005, 12:32 PM	#50
npmg DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Poland Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	why my sb0400 (audigy 2 value) not play like sb live 5.1 (SB0100) ?? Help me set in kx 3538i driver that will be 5.1 sound . What plug in DSP to make 5.1 sound in analog out and every channel have to be a volume from a kx mixer. When I used on my old SB live 5.1 kx 3537 was great!! Now on my new audigy 2 value on 3538i kx's is something wrong! Different settings. Driver v3537 not see my card and don't wanna be installed on sb0400.. please help me.. maybe will be some more support for SB0400..;-) will be nice (where can I get partially 3538 ??) great please reply Last edited by npmg; Dec 14, 2005 at 05:44 PM.

Dec 15, 2005, 10:28 AM	Thread Starter #51
TravelRec. Alternative Audioproductions Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Germany / Sachsen-Anhalt Posts: 1,710 Rep Power: 0	All 3538 versions (so a-i) do support the SB0400 partially, not fully. Some issues and output problems remain yet. 3537 does NOT support the SB0400. Different 3538 versions you can get from the forum here. Be sure you install the drivers in the right way - read the specified threads please. __________________ Always take a look behind.

Dec 16, 2005, 07:11 AM	#52
npmg DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Poland Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	I can't wait for full support SB0400 ;-)