Echo or Reverb for Microphone Input?

civic5zigen · Dec 15, 2002, 02:27 AM

Hi, how do I make the input from Mirophone to be echo and reverb so it'll mix well with the audio? And only apply the reverb or echo effects to Min in and not the audios. I need to do this becuase I am trying to build an Karaoke machine, and currently the sound from Mirophone have no echo or reverb effects and sound very bad.

I try looking into the DSP graph but I have no idea what to do, can someone help?
Or is there an easiler to way to apply fx to min in only?

Also, I need to hook two mic into my computer, so can I convert the Line-in to be same as Mic-In, and have the same echo fx and the boost? How do it do it?

Thanks so much

Max M. · Dec 15, 2002, 05:09 AM

The simplest way is to connect prolog pin 0/1 (this is where mic-in comes from) to "xsumm_r" inputs 0/1 (inl/inr).
Then you can adjust mic reverb send by "Reverb" fader at mixer's "FX" page... yep... something like that.

civic5zigen · Dec 15, 2002, 10:15 AM

THanks Max M. I tried what u suggest but the sound from my mic still the same when I tune up all the setting in the FX window of the Mixer. Here what I did, am I doing something wrong?

This is my default setting.
http://12.230.111.103:8080/jacktou/web_temp/kxdsp_1.gif

I simply connect the "Line2/Mic2 Left In8" and "Line2/Mic2 Right In9" to the Inl and inr of the xsumm_r(enabled). Is this how I shoud do it cuz it didn't work??? Also when I do this the original connection from FXBus will now be disconnect from xsumm_r, is this normal?

http://12.230.111.103:8080/jacktou/web_temp/kxdsp_2.gif

Also, I want to echo the microphone input only, cuz if I echo the whole thing the music will sound funny. Thanks again for the help

Max M. · Dec 16, 2002, 01:45 AM

>http://12.230.111.103:8080/jacktou/web_temp/kxdsp_2.gif

Yep that's correct (btw. you did not mention mic2 before ;)

Should work... So:

1. Did you hear the mic itself (without "echo")?.... e.g. did you unmuted and adjusted it at mixer's "ins'n'outs" page?

2. Did you adjusted "Wave Send" at mixer "fx" page
(this is amount of reverb added to mic (for that ñfg))

>Also, I want to echo the microphone input only,

Yes, the effect is applied only to mic and midi synth in such configuration (e.g. inputs connected to xsumm_r), waves/mp3s are not affected at all...

civic5zigen · Dec 16, 2002, 08:48 AM

1. yea, I guess it says Line2/Mic2 on the DSP graph, what's the different? I didnt see any Mic1.

2. I didn't see any "Wave send" under FX, here's my FX page...

http://12.230.111.103:8080/jacktou/web_temp/fx.jpg

3. No sound when Mic2 is enabled (unmute) under "Ins 'n' Outs".
However, there's sound from microphone when enabling the Mic & mic Boost under AC97

http://12.230.111.103:8080/jacktou/web_temp/ac97.jpg

4. When disconnect the "Line2/Mic2" both LEFT and Right to the routing in DSP graph, I can still hear shound, infact, when I disconnect all the connection from prolong to routing, I can still hear music and also sound from mic. So for some strange reason, the Prolong's Line2/Mic2 doesn't effect anything.

HELP.....

**Eugene Gavrilov** · Dec 16, 2002, 04:50 PM

you should NOT enable mic on the 'ac97' page
it should be enabled only in Digital Only Mode
otherwise, you should only select 'mic' as your 'ac97 source' and keep the ac97 mic slider muted
[the 'boost' button will still work]

/Eugene

civic5zigen · Dec 16, 2002, 11:10 PM

Thanks Eugene, but the only way for me to get any sounds at all from the Mirophone is to enable (unmute) the Mic in "AC97". If I check "Boost", select "Mic" as AC97 source, and then enable (unmute) Mic2 in "Ins 'n' Outs" I'll still get no sound from Mirophone at all.

Addiontially, if I disconnect all connection between prolong and routing I can still hear music and sound from the mic as if prolong have noting to do with the mic at all.

I double check the connection at the back of the card and Front speaker are plug into "Out2" and Rear are plug into "Out1" since I have KX swap front and rear channel. Then Mic is connect to Micrpohone.

I reset the setting couple of times and start from all over but same result. Can someone give me an clue what am I doing wrong?

THanks

Dr_bologna · Dec 16, 2002, 11:39 PM

Yeah just get a mixer and jam everything into that, then into the line in..
help put an end to crappy software probs..

http://www.jlhwholesalers.com/pylpyd194chm.html

civic5zigen · Dec 16, 2002, 11:42 PM

O men, that's overkill for me, I ain't that professional. I simply want to have reverb or echo effects on the microphone channel so it'll mix well together with the back ground music for Karaokes. I know it can be done with the driver, but I just can't get it to work anyhow.

Dr_bologna · Dec 16, 2002, 11:49 PM

I run my Guitar through my muti effex rack then into my sound card Via line in jack..
I always have monitoring comming back through speakers with line in enabled and level turned up of course..
But if i'm running " lets say" WaveLab 4.0 I will not get any action through it untill I go into the cards setup and turn on line in on the Recording section of the Soundcard mixer..
Your Mic or line in is enabled in the recording section as well right ?

Max M. · Dec 17, 2002, 01:21 AM

civic5zigen

Btw, man, you lost in microphones...

Let's start from the beginning...

"Mic" and "Mic2" are differrent things... the first is the input
on the back of the card and the second is the input on LiveDrive ("platinum" model)...

Look at my first reply - it said "prolog pin 0/1 (this is where mic-in comes from)" not "prolog Line2/Mic2 Left In8/9"... After that i've started to think that you want to record livedrive's microphone...

Ok, so, now...

1. replug you main speakers into black output ("rear") of the card - this is the main ("front") output in kX by default (see help and site for the reason). This is "must be done first" after kx is installed...

2. Never unmute "mic" fader at "ac97" mixer page...
Yes, this will "monitor" mic through green output but this does not send mic signal into dsp (and then mic cannot be recorded or processsed)

To let mic1's sound to come from prolog 0/1 (again: 0/1) you should do only two things:

a. Set "mic" as the source at "ac97" mixer page (in pulldown list with "?" above it)

b. Unmute and adjust "Ac97" at "Ins'n'Outs" page.
---

3. After all that just do all i sayd before...
(e.g. "The simplest way is to connect prolog pin 0/1 (this is where mic-in comes from) to "xsumm_r" inputs 0/1 (inl/inr).
Then you can adjust mic reverb send by "Reverb" fader at mixer's "FX" page... yep... something like that.")

And... read, please, kxhelp "ac97" section...

Max M. · Dec 17, 2002, 01:31 AM

and more:

>2. I didn't see any "Wave send" under FX, here's my FX page...

The first fader is reverb "wave send"... See my first reply
(i said "reverb")

>So for some strange reason, the Prolong's Line2/Mic2 doesn't effect anything.

Why do you think it should affect anything at all?
It affects nothing but Mic2/Line2 input of LiveDrive..
What the thing made you to bother with that Mic2 at all?

And again reread my and Eugene replies carefully... do exactly like they said.

s3n71nel · Dec 17, 2002, 08:51 AM

I have a few additional tips for u civic5zigen.
I was doing a similar thing, except I was plugging my guitar into my live drive mic2 input.
1)if u have a live drive don't use your headphones because the reverb doesnt go to the headphones, only the speakers.
2)in kxDsp right click the 'reverb lite' hit tweak and turn up the ER/LR up full to give you a more noticeable reverb that u can dial in at the mixer fx screen.
It should work for u if u follow all the directions on this page.

I have a question:
Can anyone tell me why the chorus effect goes to the headphones but the reverb doesn't?

Im using kx version 3528 with SB Live 5.1 platinum.

cya

s3n71nel

(edit:actually my second tip would give way too much reverb with the above suggested setup so forget about turning ER/LR up full but tweak it how u like.)

civic5zigen · Dec 17, 2002, 11:13 AM

Thank guys, I couldn't have done this without the great support. Especially big thanks for Max. You are the man. I think my problem is forgot to umute and tune up "AC97" under "Ins 'n' outs". That's why I couldn't hear anything even when I've unmute mic under "ins 'n' outs" and also select mic as "AC97?" sources.

Many thanks again for Max.

Dec 15, 2002, 02:27 AM	#1
civic5zigen DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 7 Rep Power: 0	Echo or Reverb for Microphone Input? Hi, how do I make the input from Mirophone to be echo and reverb so it'll mix well with the audio? And only apply the reverb or echo effects to Min in and not the audios. I need to do this becuase I am trying to build an Karaoke machine, and currently the sound from Mirophone have no echo or reverb effects and sound very bad. I try looking into the DSP graph but I have no idea what to do, can someone help? Or is there an easiler to way to apply fx to min in only? Also, I need to hook two mic into my computer, so can I convert the Line-in to be same as Mic-In, and have the same echo fx and the boost? How do it do it? Thanks so much

Dec 15, 2002, 05:09 AM	#2
Max M. h/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,606 Rep Power: 66	The simplest way is to connect prolog pin 0/1 (this is where mic-in comes from) to "xsumm_r" inputs 0/1 (inl/inr). Then you can adjust mic reverb send by "Reverb" fader at mixer's "FX" page... yep... something like that. __________________

Dec 16, 2002, 01:45 AM	#4
Max M. h/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,606 Rep Power: 66	>http://12.230.111.103:8080/jacktou/web_temp/kxdsp_2.gif Yep that's correct (btw. you did not mention mic2 before ;) Should work... So: 1. Did you hear the mic itself (without "echo")?.... e.g. did you unmuted and adjusted it at mixer's "ins'n'outs" page? 2. Did you adjusted "Wave Send" at mixer "fx" page (this is amount of reverb added to mic (for that ñfg)) >Also, I want to echo the microphone input only, Yes, the effect is applied only to mic and midi synth in such configuration (e.g. inputs connected to xsumm_r), waves/mp3s are not affected at all... __________________

Dec 17, 2002, 01:21 AM	#11
Max M. h/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,606 Rep Power: 66	civic5zigen Btw, man, you lost in microphones... Let's start from the beginning... "Mic" and "Mic2" are differrent things... the first is the input on the back of the card and the second is the input on LiveDrive ("platinum" model)... Look at my first reply - it said "prolog pin 0/1 (this is where mic-in comes from)" not "prolog Line2/Mic2 Left In8/9"... After that i've started to think that you want to record livedrive's microphone... Ok, so, now... 1. replug you main speakers into black output ("rear") of the card - this is the main ("front") output in kX by default (see help and site for the reason). This is "must be done first" after kx is installed... 2. Never unmute "mic" fader at "ac97" mixer page... Yes, this will "monitor" mic through green output but this does not send mic signal into dsp (and then mic cannot be recorded or processsed) To let mic1's sound to come from prolog 0/1 (again: 0/1) you should do only two things: a. Set "mic" as the source at "ac97" mixer page (in pulldown list with "?" above it) b. Unmute and adjust "Ac97" at "Ins'n'Outs" page. --- 3. After all that just do all i sayd before... (e.g. "The simplest way is to connect prolog pin 0/1 (this is where mic-in comes from) to "xsumm_r" inputs 0/1 (inl/inr). Then you can adjust mic reverb send by "Reverb" fader at mixer's "FX" page... yep... something like that.") And... read, please, kxhelp "ac97" section... __________________ Last edited by Max M.; Dec 17, 2002 at 02:09 AM.

Dec 17, 2002, 01:31 AM	#12
Max M. h/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,606 Rep Power: 66	and more: >2. I didn't see any "Wave send" under FX, here's my FX page... The first fader is reverb "wave send"... See my first reply (i said "reverb") >So for some strange reason, the Prolong's Line2/Mic2 doesn't effect anything. Why do you think it should affect anything at all? It affects nothing but Mic2/Line2 input of LiveDrive.. What the thing made you to bother with that Mic2 at all? And again reread my and Eugene replies carefully... do exactly like they said. __________________ Last edited by Max M.; Dec 17, 2002 at 02:08 AM.

Dec 15, 2002, 10:15 AM	Thread Starter #3
civic5zigen DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 7 Rep Power: 0	THanks Max M. I tried what u suggest but the sound from my mic still the same when I tune up all the setting in the FX window of the Mixer. Here what I did, am I doing something wrong? This is my default setting. http://12.230.111.103:8080/jacktou/web_temp/kxdsp_1.gif I simply connect the "Line2/Mic2 Left In8" and "Line2/Mic2 Right In9" to the Inl and inr of the xsumm_r(enabled). Is this how I shoud do it cuz it didn't work??? Also when I do this the original connection from FXBus will now be disconnect from xsumm_r, is this normal? http://12.230.111.103:8080/jacktou/web_temp/kxdsp_2.gif Also, I want to echo the microphone input only, cuz if I echo the whole thing the music will sound funny. Thanks again for the help

Dec 16, 2002, 08:48 AM	Thread Starter #5
civic5zigen DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 7 Rep Power: 0	1. yea, I guess it says Line2/Mic2 on the DSP graph, what's the different? I didnt see any Mic1. 2. I didn't see any "Wave send" under FX, here's my FX page... http://12.230.111.103:8080/jacktou/web_temp/fx.jpg 3. No sound when Mic2 is enabled (unmute) under "Ins 'n' Outs". However, there's sound from microphone when enabling the Mic & mic Boost under AC97 http://12.230.111.103:8080/jacktou/web_temp/ac97.jpg 4. When disconnect the "Line2/Mic2" both LEFT and Right to the routing in DSP graph, I can still hear shound, infact, when I disconnect all the connection from prolong to routing, I can still hear music and also sound from mic. So for some strange reason, the Prolong's Line2/Mic2 doesn't effect anything. HELP.....

Dec 16, 2002, 04:50 PM	#6
Eugene Gavrilov kX Project Lead Programmer and Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,106 Rep Power: 73	you should NOT enable mic on the 'ac97' page it should be enabled only in Digital Only Mode otherwise, you should only select 'mic' as your 'ac97 source' and keep the ac97 mic slider muted [the 'boost' button will still work] /Eugene

Dec 16, 2002, 11:10 PM	Thread Starter #7
civic5zigen DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 7 Rep Power: 0	Thanks Eugene, but the only way for me to get any sounds at all from the Mirophone is to enable (unmute) the Mic in "AC97". If I check "Boost", select "Mic" as AC97 source, and then enable (unmute) Mic2 in "Ins 'n' Outs" I'll still get no sound from Mirophone at all. Addiontially, if I disconnect all connection between prolong and routing I can still hear music and sound from the mic as if prolong have noting to do with the mic at all. I double check the connection at the back of the card and Front speaker are plug into "Out2" and Rear are plug into "Out1" since I have KX swap front and rear channel. Then Mic is connect to Micrpohone. I reset the setting couple of times and start from all over but same result. Can someone give me an clue what am I doing wrong? THanks

Dec 16, 2002, 11:39 PM	#8
Dr_bologna bolog Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 35 Rep Power: 0	Yeah just get a mixer and jam everything into that, then into the line in.. help put an end to crappy software probs.. http://www.jlhwholesalers.com/pylpyd194chm.html

Dec 16, 2002, 11:42 PM	Thread Starter #9
civic5zigen DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 7 Rep Power: 0	O men, that's overkill for me, I ain't that professional. I simply want to have reverb or echo effects on the microphone channel so it'll mix well together with the back ground music for Karaokes. I know it can be done with the driver, but I just can't get it to work anyhow.

Dec 16, 2002, 11:49 PM	#10
Dr_bologna bolog Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 35 Rep Power: 0	I run my Guitar through my muti effex rack then into my sound card Via line in jack.. I always have monitoring comming back through speakers with line in enabled and level turned up of course.. But if i'm running " lets say" WaveLab 4.0 I will not get any action through it untill I go into the cards setup and turn on line in on the Recording section of the Soundcard mixer.. Your Mic or line in is enabled in the recording section as well right ?

Dec 17, 2002, 08:51 AM	#13
s3n71nel DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 41 Rep Power: 0	I have a few additional tips for u civic5zigen. I was doing a similar thing, except I was plugging my guitar into my live drive mic2 input. 1)if u have a live drive don't use your headphones because the reverb doesnt go to the headphones, only the speakers. 2)in kxDsp right click the 'reverb lite' hit tweak and turn up the ER/LR up full to give you a more noticeable reverb that u can dial in at the mixer fx screen. It should work for u if u follow all the directions on this page. I have a question: Can anyone tell me why the chorus effect goes to the headphones but the reverb doesn't? Im using kx version 3528 with SB Live 5.1 platinum. cya s3n71nel (edit:actually my second tip would give way too much reverb with the above suggested setup so forget about turning ER/LR up full but tweak it how u like.) Last edited by s3n71nel; Dec 17, 2002 at 09:14 AM.

Dec 17, 2002, 11:13 AM	Thread Starter #14
civic5zigen DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 7 Rep Power: 0	Thank guys, I couldn't have done this without the great support. Especially big thanks for Max. You are the man. I think my problem is forgot to umute and tune up "AC97" under "Ins 'n' outs". That's why I couldn't hear anything even when I've unmute mic under "ins 'n' outs" and also select mic as "AC97?" sources. Many thanks again for Max.