No Sound On Rear (Again)

Ivank · Aug 20, 2005, 01:49 PM

First and foremost, apologies to anyone annoyed by this repeated subject.

I've read most of the other related threads but since I'm a complete n00b with KX drivers I haven't been able to learn enough to fix my problem so i'm creating my own thread.

Okay, here's the deal:

I would like to connect stereo amplifier to rear outputs. So, that means pure stereo.
I tried the sb22x hack in driver compability and epiloglt_k1 and some other stuff but to no avail. I havent heard any sound coming out of my stereo speakers. Appearently i'm doing something wrong.
Also i've downloaded that plugin T22x58O but i dont know what to do with it...

ANY help is GREATLY appreciated.

Using 3538i drivers with this configuration:

----Hardware / Software configuration---------------
Driver Name:kX Audio Driver (Debug)
Driver Date: Jul 14 2005 17:03:16
Driver Version: 5.10.00.3538 - debug
DB Name:none
SB022xb 10k1 [9000]
PCI Information:
Device: 21102 Subsys: 100a1102 ChipRev: a
Card has MPU device
Card model is '5.1'
Card HAS AC97 codec
Codec name: Unk AC97-codec [83847658]
3D Extension: SigmaTel 3D Enhancement
Codec is 2.0 compliant
Capabilities[6a90] : -headphone out-
DAC resolutions : -16-bit- -20-bit-
ADC resolutions : -16-bit- -20-bit-
Ext Capabilities [bc7]: -var rate PCM audio- -2x PCM audio out- -PCM center DAC- -PCM surround DAC- -PCM LFE DAC- -slot/DAC mappings-
Port: 9000 Irq: 0x6(6)
Playback buffer: 20a0
Record buffer: 4000
Number of AC3 buffers: 4
Tank memory: 256 kb
GSIF buffer: 256 samples
OS version: [2 5 1 Service Pack 2; 2 5 1 Service Pack 2; 156 148]

Russ · Aug 20, 2005, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ivank

Also i've downloaded that plugin T22x58O but i dont know what to do with it...

Open the kX DSP window.
Reintialize the DSP (from the DSP menu).
Unload Epilog.
Load the above plugin.
Connect the ouputs of the timbre plugin to the fL/fR inputs of T22x58O (hold the mouse pointer over the connectors to see the names of the connectors).
Connect the sL/sR and Center/LFE ouputs of Surrounder+ to the sL/sR and Center/LFE inputs of T22x58O.
Set Surrounder+ to 5.1 with Surround ON.
Test speakers.

I am not sure what the sb022x hack option actually does, so I am not sure how it will effect the T22x58O plugin.

Please, let me know if it works for you.

Russ · Aug 20, 2005, 03:09 PM

BTW: I am not completely sure by your description what kind of setup you want to use. Start by doing the above and try to get all your speakers working first, and then we can try getting it setup the way you want.

Ivank · Aug 20, 2005, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ

BTW: I am not completely sure by your description what kind of setup you want to use. Start by doing the above and try to get all your speakers working first, and then we can try getting it setup the way you want.

Thank you for your reply.
I'm not currently by my computer, so i'll try your recomendation as soon as i can.

Regarding my setup; I want to use stereo speakers (alone, no surround sound!) connected to rear outputs (on SB Live!) to attain better sound quality (as i've read that due the difference of codecs between front and rear outputs there is a considerable quality difference).

Again, thanks for replying...

Russ · Aug 20, 2005, 04:31 PM

That is what I thought you meant but I wasn't sure. Your card has a single 6 channel codec and as such all 3 DAC's should be the same, and thus I do not think there will be any difference in quality using the rear connections instead of the front with this card.

Ivank · Aug 20, 2005, 04:42 PM

I'm sorry to hear that. I was just hoping that my card has I2S codec and thought i could make use of it. Oh well....

Anyways, thank you(!!!) for your prompt replies. You have saved me many hours of tinkering with KX drivers.

So, you're sure i don't have 2 sets of codecs?

Russ · Aug 20, 2005, 04:46 PM

BTW: The Swap Front and Rear option of kX Mixer has no effect on the T22x58O plugin. If you want to swap front and rear, just do it manually by swapping the connections to T22x58O in the DSP window (if you are able to get the rears working, and if you still want to use the rear instead of the front).

Russ · Aug 20, 2005, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ivank

I'm sorry to hear that. I was just hoping that my card has I2S codec and thought i could make use of it. Oh well....

Anyways, thank you(!!!) for your prompt replies. You have saved me many hours of tinkering with KX drivers.

So, you're sure i don't have 2 sets of codecs?

Yes, "Codec name: Unk AC97-codec [83847658]" is the Sigmatel STAC9758 codec, which is a 6 channel codec, thus there was no longer a need for the secondary I2S codec.

Russ · Aug 20, 2005, 04:58 PM

For more info about this codec, you can look at the following documents from Sigmatel:

STAC9758 Product Overview
STAC9758 Product Brief

Ivank · Aug 20, 2005, 05:02 PM

Ok then.

Well... thanks again.

SwiRly · Aug 21, 2005, 01:12 AM

ill look into tis, !!

Russ · Aug 21, 2005, 07:17 PM

Did T22x58O work for you?

vicnaum · Nov 15, 2005, 06:25 PM

i'll try it now... i have the same card specifications as Ivank...

Russ · Nov 15, 2005, 08:29 PM

@vicnaum,

If you are unable to get it working, can you post the following info:

What version of kX are you using?
What does kX show for your "Hardware / Software Configuration" (see Ivank's first post in this thread)? Open up kX's 'about' window, and scroll down to find that info, and then copy/paste it here.

vicnaum · Nov 15, 2005, 10:11 PM

ohhh.... driver 3538i...

with the sbhack it plays in front spk. even without epilogue :-)))

without the hack the front _IS_working _with_ "switch front/back" turned ON and "5.1","4.1" + Surround == 'copy' or 'on'!!
but the back hole isnt working at all without the hack - even with the T22x58O plugin...
only the center-lfe works...

but WITH the sbhack - it plays just GREAT, just you have to do some manipulations after EVERY reboot...
1. -> reset the device settings
2. -> load your favourite DSP/settings/levels/etc from file (you saved your settings earlier, didnt you?)
3. -> choose SBhack enable in driver compatibility
4. -> do reset on AC97

and you'll have your sound back!

--
i dont know - maybe i'll try some earlier versions of the driver (not 3538i), cause i'm sick to do these shaman dances with bubens near the device...

vicnaum · Nov 15, 2005, 10:14 PM

here is the soundcard info:

Quote:

----Hardware / Software configuration---------------
Driver Name:kX Audio Driver (Debug)
Driver Date: Jul 14 2005 17:03:16
Driver Version: 5.10.00.3538 - debug
DB Name:none
SB022xb 10k1 [d000]
PCI Information:
Device: 21102 Subsys: 100a1102 ChipRev: a
Card has MPU device
Card model is '5.1'
Card HAS AC97 codec
Codec name: Unk AC97-codec [83847658]
3D Extension: SigmaTel 3D Enhancement
Codec is 2.0 compliant
Capabilities[6a90] : -headphone out-
DAC resolutions : -16-bit- -20-bit-
ADC resolutions : -16-bit- -20-bit-
Ext Capabilities [bc7]: -var rate PCM audio- -2x PCM audio out- -PCM center DAC- -PCM surround DAC- -PCM LFE DAC- -slot/DAC mappings-
Port: d000 Irq: 0xa(10)
Playback buffer: 20a0
Record buffer: 4000
Number of AC3 buffers: 4
Tank memory: 256 kb
GSIF buffer: 256 samples
OS version: [2 5 1 Service Pack 2; 2 5 1 Service Pack 2; 156 148]
----------------------------------------------------

Russ · Nov 15, 2005, 10:38 PM

You would want to use 3538h and T22x58O, as previous versions of kX do not have the rear output enabled for these cards (sb022x with STAC9758).

Aug 20, 2005, 01:49 PM	#1
Ivank DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 4 Rep Power: 0	No Sound On Rear (Again) First and foremost, apologies to anyone annoyed by this repeated subject. I've read most of the other related threads but since I'm a complete n00b with KX drivers I haven't been able to learn enough to fix my problem so i'm creating my own thread. Okay, here's the deal: I would like to connect stereo amplifier to rear outputs. So, that means pure stereo. I tried the sb22x hack in driver compability and epiloglt_k1 and some other stuff but to no avail. I havent heard any sound coming out of my stereo speakers. Appearently i'm doing something wrong. Also i've downloaded that plugin T22x58O but i dont know what to do with it... ANY help is GREATLY appreciated. Using 3538i drivers with this configuration: ----Hardware / Software configuration--------------- Driver Name:kX Audio Driver (Debug) Driver Date: Jul 14 2005 17:03:16 Driver Version: 5.10.00.3538 - debug DB Name:none SB022xb 10k1 [9000] PCI Information: Device: 21102 Subsys: 100a1102 ChipRev: a Card has MPU device Card model is '5.1' Card HAS AC97 codec Codec name: Unk AC97-codec [83847658] 3D Extension: SigmaTel 3D Enhancement Codec is 2.0 compliant Capabilities[6a90] : -headphone out- DAC resolutions : -16-bit- -20-bit- ADC resolutions : -16-bit- -20-bit- Ext Capabilities [bc7]: -var rate PCM audio- -2x PCM audio out- -PCM center DAC- -PCM surround DAC- -PCM LFE DAC- -slot/DAC mappings- Port: 9000 Irq: 0x6(6) Playback buffer: 20a0 Record buffer: 4000 Number of AC3 buffers: 4 Tank memory: 256 kb GSIF buffer: 256 samples OS version: [2 5 1 Service Pack 2; 2 5 1 Service Pack 2; 156 148]

Aug 20, 2005, 03:09 PM	#3
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,563 Rep Power: 62	BTW: I am not completely sure by your description what kind of setup you want to use. Start by doing the above and try to get all your speakers working first, and then we can try getting it setup the way you want.

Aug 20, 2005, 04:31 PM	#5
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,563 Rep Power: 62	That is what I thought you meant but I wasn't sure. Your card has a single 6 channel codec and as such all 3 DAC's should be the same, and thus I do not think there will be any difference in quality using the rear connections instead of the front with this card.

Aug 20, 2005, 04:42 PM	Thread Starter #6
Ivank DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 4 Rep Power: 0	I'm sorry to hear that. I was just hoping that my card has I2S codec and thought i could make use of it. Oh well.... Anyways, thank you(!!!) for your prompt replies. You have saved me many hours of tinkering with KX drivers. So, you're sure i don't have 2 sets of codecs?

Aug 20, 2005, 04:46 PM	#7
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,563 Rep Power: 62	BTW: The Swap Front and Rear option of kX Mixer has no effect on the T22x58O plugin. If you want to swap front and rear, just do it manually by swapping the connections to T22x58O in the DSP window (if you are able to get the rears working, and if you still want to use the rear instead of the front).

Aug 20, 2005, 04:58 PM	#9
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,563 Rep Power: 62	For more info about this codec, you can look at the following documents from Sigmatel: STAC9758 Product Overview STAC9758 Product Brief

Aug 20, 2005, 05:02 PM	Thread Starter #10
Ivank DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 4 Rep Power: 0	Ok then. Well... thanks again.

Aug 21, 2005, 01:12 AM	#11
SwiRly DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 20 Rep Power: 0	ill look into tis, !!

Aug 21, 2005, 07:17 PM	#12
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,563 Rep Power: 62	Did T22x58O work for you?

Nov 15, 2005, 06:25 PM	#13
vicnaum DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 4 Rep Power: 0	i'll try it now... i have the same card specifications as Ivank...

Nov 15, 2005, 08:29 PM	#14
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,563 Rep Power: 62	@vicnaum, If you are unable to get it working, can you post the following info: What version of kX are you using? What does kX show for your "Hardware / Software Configuration" (see Ivank's first post in this thread)? Open up kX's 'about' window, and scroll down to find that info, and then copy/paste it here.

Nov 15, 2005, 10:11 PM	#15
vicnaum DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 4 Rep Power: 0	ohhh.... driver 3538i... with the sbhack it plays in front spk. even without epilogue :-))) without the hack the front _IS_working _with_ "switch front/back" turned ON and "5.1","4.1" + Surround == 'copy' or 'on'!! but the back hole isnt working at all without the hack - even with the T22x58O plugin... only the center-lfe works... but WITH the sbhack - it plays just GREAT, just you have to do some manipulations after EVERY reboot... 1. -> reset the device settings 2. -> load your favourite DSP/settings/levels/etc from file (you saved your settings earlier, didnt you?) 3. -> choose SBhack enable in driver compatibility 4. -> do reset on AC97 and you'll have your sound back! -- i dont know - maybe i'll try some earlier versions of the driver (not 3538i), cause i'm sick to do these shaman dances with bubens near the device...

Nov 15, 2005, 10:38 PM	#17
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,563 Rep Power: 62	You would want to use 3538h and T22x58O, as previous versions of kX do not have the rear output enabled for these cards (sb022x with STAC9758).