KX Drivers on Audigy 2

Richard White · Jan 6, 2003, 05:36 PM

I realize this soundcard is not officially supported by the Kx drivers, but I thought I'd try them anyway - as a means to enable multi-track recording off this card.. Appeared to work, but with the following problems:

a) When I tried recording from the card's line input, the recording appeared to be clipped or level limitted... (even though level was well below - 6DB when recording on a program such as Cool Edit Pro.

b) I get sound out of the Audigy2 drive headhphone jack, but can't get sound out of the front or rear outputs on the back of the AUdigy 2 sound card.

Has anyone experienced similar problems? I'm running this under WIndows XP on an ASUS A7V333 motherboard with XP2400+ processor. Was wondering if there is a problem with the Audigy 2, or do I have configuration / finger problems at this end.?

Richard.

RIV@NVX · Jan 6, 2003, 05:57 PM

a)Unsupported ADC (I think)
b)Unsupported DAC

**Eugene Gavrilov** · Jan 8, 2003, 02:58 PM

could you please describe your experience with Audigy2+kX?
what inputs / outputs function? does switching to 'Digital Output Only Mode' change anything? does 'Remote Control' work? and so on...

/Eugene

RIV@NVX · Jan 8, 2003, 03:07 PM

And please copy hardware info in About screen.

Richard White · Jan 9, 2003, 01:44 PM

I tried using the digial out only mode - didn't change things. I didn't try the remote... sorry... I cloned my system to another disk, then tried the drivers for a bout a day or so... was trying to do multi-track under Sonar... noticed the no sound out to speakers, tried some recording - but noticed the clipping. Also noticed the problem posted on this forum - where the 4 inputs seem to point to the same source (!) At this point, I figured not much point pursuing the matter until the card was supported (unless someone else had got this working, or found something that needed to be configured to get it to work... Based on what I've read in these postings... I'll have to wait for KX to support Audigy 2 as well as the next release of SONAR to get ASIO drier support...

By the way my hardware is

AMD XP2400+ on a A7V333 motherboard
1GB PC2700 DDR RAM
ATI AIW Radeon 7500
SB Audigy 2 Platinum
Dlink 530TX NIC
XP Pro SP1

R.

RIV@NVX · Jan 9, 2003, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Richard White
By the way my hardware is

AMD XP2400+ on a A7V333 motherboard
1GB PC2700 DDR RAM
ATI AIW Radeon 7500
SB Audigy 2 Platinum
Dlink 530TX NIC
XP Pro SP1

R.

I was talking about kX Menu - About option.

Richard White · Jan 9, 2003, 09:20 PM

Here's what show's up in the about window...

----Hardware / Software configuration---------------
Driver Name:kX Audio Driver (Debug)
Driver Date: Dec 2 2002 02:41:11
Driver Version: 5.10.00.3528 - debug
DB Name:LiveBay0x
Generic10kX [ff40]
PCI Information:
Device: 41102 Subsys: 10021102 ChipRev: 4
Card is '10k2'
Card has MPU device
Card model is '5.1'
Card HAS AC97 codec
Codec name: SigmaTel STAC9721/23
3D Extension: SigmaTel 3D Enhancement
Codec is 2.0 compliant
Capabilities[6940] :
DAC resolutions : -16-bit- -18-bit-
ADC resolutions : -16-bit- -18-bit-
Ext Capabilities [200]: -slot/DAC mappings-
Port: ff40 Irq: 9
Playback buffer: 20a0
Record buffer: 4000
Number of AC3 buffers: 8
Tank memory: 256 kb

RIV@NVX · Jan 9, 2003, 09:45 PM

DB Name:LiveBay0x (LiveBay1)
Generic10kX [ff40] (CT0092 10k2 [cc00])
PCI Information:
Device: 41102 (41102) Subsys: 10021102 (531102) ChipRev: 4 (3)
Card is '10k2' (-||-)
Card has MPU device (-||-)
Card model is '5.1' (-||-)
Card HAS AC97 codec (-||-)
Codec name: SigmaTel STAC9721/23 (TriTech TR A5/CT1297 TAT)
3D Extension: SigmaTel 3D Enhancement (No 3D Stereo Enhancement)
Codec is 2.0 compliant (Codec is 1.0 compliant)
Capabilities[6940] ([0]) :
DAC resolutions : -16-bit- -18-bit- (-16-bit-)
ADC resolutions : -16-bit- -18-bit- (-16-bit-)
Ext Capabilities [200]([0]): -slot/DAC mappings-
Port: ff40 Irq: 9 (Port: cc00 Irq: 5)

The () thing is my OEM Audigy, just for comparison.
LiveBay is different (is that newer Audigy2 Drive)?
Generic10kX is expected - kind of, because inf doesn't support it yet. BTW, just for curiorsity, is your Audigy2 SB0240?
Device is still Audigy, so Device is the same. Subsys is different (expected), as well as ChipRev.
10k2, same, expected; MPU device, same, expected. Card model 5.1 is not expected (maybe is, because kX can't detect 6.1, and assumes that every 10k2 is 5.1. AC97 codec present - expected.
SigmaTel instead of CT - expected, detected correctly (this codec is used on some Live! cards). It is much better than TriTech/CT.
But strange fact is that 24/96 advertised on Analog output card has -16-bit- -18-bit- AC97 codec. And Capabilities are different (exceeds my knowledge

).
Ext Capabilites - don't know, overrides my knowledge.
Port, IRQ - depends on your HW/SW config.

Thanks for your reply, I wanted to compare this for a long time

**Eugene Gavrilov** · Jan 10, 2003, 03:32 PM

>> LiveBay is different (is that newer Audigy2 Drive)?

could be

>> Card model 5.1 is not expected (maybe is, because kX can't >> detect 6.1, and assumes that every 10k2 is 5.1.

expected, because the ac97 codec itself is not 5.1-compliant
moreover, ac97 codec is NOT used for audio output at all
it is only used for cd-audio, mic , TAD & line-in [on-board]

the Phililps UDA i2s codecs were replaced by the new codec which is 6.1-capable. it cannot be autodetected [as well as the Philips codecs] but it requires special initialization, which is not done by the present driver.

>> AC97 codec present - expected.

btw, Audigy Platinum EX does NOT have ac97 codec
that's why I'd recommend to buy the EX- model.

>> SigmaTel instead of CT - expected, detected correctly (this
>> codec is used on some Live! cards). It is much better than
>> TriTech/CT.

no, it is not better. it has significant bugs related to interchannel delays etc...

>>But strange fact is that 24/96 advertised on Analog output
>>card has -16-bit- -18-bit- AC97 codec. And Capabilities are
>>different (exceeds my knowledge).

the 24/96 capability is supplied by the new codec, not the ac97 codec [the same happens with Audigy, btw]

/Eugene

Matth · Jan 10, 2003, 03:49 PM

May be better as a new thread, but
this site
http://grassomusic.de/english/frames...h/rauschen.htm

rates the CT1297 BETTER than the Sigmatel ST9721

http://grassomusic.de/english/methoden.htm#ac97

And the CS4297 best of all

RIV@NVX · Jan 10, 2003, 06:12 PM

@Eugene:
OK, sorry for information I guessed wrong

I was reading this article about Audigy2, so I don't know much about it.
I just don't know why they used SigmaTel on newer and better card than "old" CT1297? Maybe because they are Creative

Audigy Platinum eX doesn't have AC97 codec? Well, I didn't knew that fact... I thought that "all kX-compatible cards have an AC97 codec, with the exception of the E-mu APS". Well, maybe that's why it costs sooooo much

@Matth:
Do you maybe know where to get datasheers of CT1297?

Matth · Jan 10, 2003, 08:45 PM

Everything I've spotted keeps pointing to it being a rebranded and inferior version of the Cirrus CS4297(A?)

I vaguely recall another review (can't find it) that had one of them better for input, and the other better for output.

RIV@NVX · Jan 10, 2003, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Matth
Everything I've spotted keeps pointing to it being a rebranded and inferior version of the Cirrus CS4297(A?)

I vaguely recall another review (can't find it) that had one of them better for input, and the other better for output.

Yeah, it could be because CT1297 and CS4297 are both 297

CT1297 is 1.0 compliant - this brings us to assume that CT1297 is not CS4297A, but CS4297, because A version is 2.1 compliant (according to this text at least - it's datasheet is available there too).

This page says:

Quote:

...the later CT1297 (aka Cirrus CS4297) codecs used by CL...

Datasheet of CS4297 is here.
Eugene, is that what you needed?

Thanks a lot, Matth!

Max M. · Jan 11, 2003, 12:07 AM

>Eugene, is that what you needed? - What for?

**Eugene Gavrilov** · Jan 11, 2003, 03:07 AM

no
we have all the datasheets on the codecs, but we need some information on how the codec is accessed via 10k2 chip!
that is, signal routings, DSP outputs allocation, 10k2 HARDWARE register mappings for this codec
(btw, not CT1297, but CS4382, because ct1297 seems to be accessed the same way as any other AC97 codec (on Live, Audigy1 etc..))

note: http://opensource.creative.com
notice: 'Good news'
a question: WHERE IS THE RELEASED INFORMATION?!..

/Eugene

RIV@NVX · Jan 11, 2003, 09:49 AM

Quote:

News -- January 8, 2003

The Dell CT0200 -- The new Live 5.1 card from Dell (CT0200) is not supported yet, and there is no schedule for adding support. Linux users should consider another card (any other Live card, any Audigy card, or any Audigy 2 should work -- see the card support quick link below for more information).

Good news: Audigy 2 support will be added very soon -- the necessary information is now released.

Sounds nice

Really, where is it? Maybe here?

Aaaah, sorry

I thought that you set DAC resolutions : -16-bit- and ADC resolutions : -16-bit- because you weren't sure that it supports -18-bit-, right? Datasheet prooves it supports, so it is posted here... But, is CT1297 same as CS4297 after all?

And CS4382 is found here - could you please check if that's it?
Where is CS4382 used?

UPDATE: Looooooks sooo sweeet

Seems like Audigy2

Max M. · Jan 11, 2003, 08:52 PM

Where is CS4382 used? - CS4382 is the one more CORE of Audigy2 (in addition to its Audigy1 core) that allows all that sweet true 24/96 I/O...

**Eugene Gavrilov** · Jan 12, 2003, 12:41 AM

well, after some investigations of the *Kreative drivers, I've found out that the 'second core' is called "haP16V" and is not necessarily CS4382-related.

that is, the cs4382 codec is used for _analog_ output ONLY ["8 channel digital-to-analog system" -- per Cirrus Logic specs]

according to my present information, the PCI IO space was extended for Audigy2, thus, enabling access for additional registers and, possibly, to additional chip ['haP16V']

that is, cs4382 simply plays the role of the legacy Philips UDA i2s output codecs, but it doesn't deal with recording and / or PCI...

Audigy2 uses AC97 codec for mic/line/tad/cdaudio (as Audigy & live) -- but Audigy2 Ex lacks this codec and doesn't have these inputs

so, resum/e:
the cs4382 codec is not very important simply because it cannot be directly programmed [the same way as UDA Philips codecs], however, the additional I/O space is used for controlling some (unknown) chip (or part of Audigy2 processor).

/Eugene

p.s.
it would be intersting to have a list of all the chips located on the Audigy2 board and compare them to Audigy2 Ex and Audigy1...

RIV@NVX · Jan 12, 2003, 02:43 PM

It would be nice if someone in UnKreative Labs cared and sent you some hardware....

**Eugene Gavrilov** · Jan 12, 2003, 04:13 PM

concerning Audigy2 support:
here's a list of commands I would like any Audigy2 user to execute from the command line:

kxctrl -sptr 76 400
kxctrl -sfn0 20 600000
kxctrl -sfn0 42 14
kxctrl -sfn0 20 6e0000
kxctrl -sfn0 24 ff00ff00
kxctrl -sfn0 14 10c071
kxctrl -sfn0 18 40

make sure you do this as fast as possible
that is, I recommend you create a .bat file

also, make sure you DON'T playback any audio --
I even recommend you to unload the kX Mixer

this sequence MIGHT enable audio on Audigy2

[legal disclaimer]
this information was never tested and is provided on "AS IS" basis -- I take no responsibility for any results

good luck

/Eugene

billcow · Jan 15, 2003, 08:28 PM

I tried those commands with my Audigy2 Platinum and they didn't activate audio. However, for the first one (the -sptr one) the program only displayed the help message (like it didn't understand the input).

The headphone outputs work fine, and I haven't tried recording anything yet, so I don't know whether that works.

Hope this helps :).

davemann · Jan 17, 2003, 04:44 AM

I really don't understand why creative doesn't just hire you guys to make some sweetass drivers.... to distribute their products with, that is.

davemann · Jan 17, 2003, 04:46 AM

Oh, and another thing... can you guys please take the snowflakes out of the page now, they lag scrolling, and it's past christmas already!

**Eugene Gavrilov** · Jan 17, 2003, 11:51 AM

>> kxctrl -sptr 76 400

oops!

kxctrl -sptr 76 0 400

retry, pls

billcow · Jan 17, 2003, 01:14 PM

Well, they don't get normal audio output working, but after I ran them, I got a high-pitched (somewhere around 8 kHz) tone out of the 3rd analog output on the card and an extremely noisy (almost the intended output, with buffer underflow issues, overlaid on top of white noise that is also suffering from similar buffering issues) sound out of the SP/DIF output on the card. The SP/'DIF out gave the same results without running those commands (I think, can't remember for sure). The Headphone output on the Drive worked exactly the same before and after the commands were executed.

Here is the stuff from the about dialog.
----Hardware / Software configuration---------------
Driver Name:kX Audio Driver (Debug)
Driver Date: Dec 2 2002 02:41:11
Driver Version: 5.10.00.3528 - debug
DB Name:LiveBay0x
Generic10kX [b400]
PCI Information:
Device: 41102 Subsys: 10021102 ChipRev: 4
Card is '10k2'
Card has MPU device
Card model is '5.1'
Card HAS AC97 codec
Codec name: SigmaTel STAC9721/23
3D Extension: SigmaTel 3D Enhancement
Codec is 2.0 compliant
Capabilities[6940] :
DAC resolutions : -16-bit- -18-bit-
ADC resolutions : -16-bit- -18-bit-
Ext Capabilities [200]: -slot/DAC mappings-
Port: b400 Irq: 12
Playback buffer: 20a0
Record buffer: 4000
Number of AC3 buffers: 8
Tank memory: 256 kb
----------------------------------------------------

loredana · May 15, 2003, 07:11 PM

----Hardware / Software configuration---------------
Driver Name:kX Audio Driver (Debug)
Driver Date: May 12 2003 01:22:05
Driver Version: 5.10.00.3533 - debug
DB Name:LiveBay2
SB0240 10k2 [cc00]
PCI Information:
Device: 41102 Subsys: 10021102 ChipRev: 4
Card is '10k2'
Card has MPU device
Card model is '5.1'
Card is Audigy2-compatible
Card HAS AC97 codec
Codec name: SigmaTel STAC9721/23
3D Extension: SigmaTel 3D Enhancement
Codec is 2.0 compliant
Capabilities[6940] :
DAC resolutions : -16-bit- -18-bit-
ADC resolutions : -16-bit- -18-bit-
Ext Capabilities [200]: -slot/DAC mappings-
Port: cc00 Irq: 16
Playback buffer: 20a0
Record buffer: 4000
Number of AC3 buffers: 4
Tank memory: 256 kb
OS version: [2 5 1 Service Pack 1; 2 5 1 Service Pack 1; 156 148]

This is my configuration. For some reason it works. I'm using a Eurorack UB802 between my PC and my speakers, which is attached to the swapped front(which makes it a rear) of the card via the "tape in"connector of the mixer.

When recording voice, I'm using a B1 condenser ( Berhinger ) via the mixer's"tape out" (has phantom power) and into the aux in (front driver of the audigy).

My CUBASE SX is sometimes acting "weired"....like the video is moving, but no sound, and suddenly viodeo stops and the sound plays and makes it up, and only after this they continue synchronized. Restarting Cubase always helps. DON'T FORGET TO SAVE!!!

)

MIdi in works fine, most of the VSTi I'm using work ok.

One other problem I have, and I'm sure is soundcard connected....sometimes, when I start a dial-up connection, computer crashes. This might be due to the fact that the modem and audigy are both
PCI and use the same resources.

If you have any questions about how audigy 2 platinum is reacting to the driver, I'll be happy to answer.

I'm using AMD athlon xp 2000+ , on ECS motherboard, 256 DDR, GeForce 128mb DDR, Windows XP OEM.

**Eugene Gavrilov** · May 16, 2003, 02:09 AM

thanks for your info

however, you probably haven't reviewed our 'Changelog' -- both audigy2 and audigy2 ex are now supported by kX [but not the 24/96 stuff]

moreover, thanks to kX Community, we now have audigy2 boards for our experiments

/Eugene

zeureo · Apr 27, 2009, 02:48 AM

Hi Eugene,
I have used your kx drivers with BOTH audigy and audigy 2 with no problems... am I confusing models? Only reason i don't use audigy 2 is i still use the MIDI connector on audigy 1 (built a MIDI in/thru box for it).
Question: would the kx driver likely work under Linux & WINE?
BTW Keep up the AWESOME work..kx rules!
Zeureo

peate · Apr 28, 2009, 04:33 PM

This has got to be one of the oldest revived posts I've ever read, LOL. Almost 6 years old.

Anyways, there is work going on with Linux drivers, I just don't know the progress being made on them. I'd like to try that also.

Jan 6, 2003, 05:36 PM	#1
Richard White DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	KX Drivers on Audigy 2 I realize this soundcard is not officially supported by the Kx drivers, but I thought I'd try them anyway - as a means to enable multi-track recording off this card.. Appeared to work, but with the following problems: a) When I tried recording from the card's line input, the recording appeared to be clipped or level limitted... (even though level was well below - 6DB when recording on a program such as Cool Edit Pro. b) I get sound out of the Audigy2 drive headhphone jack, but can't get sound out of the front or rear outputs on the back of the AUdigy 2 sound card. Has anyone experienced similar problems? I'm running this under WIndows XP on an ASUS A7V333 motherboard with XP2400+ processor. Was wondering if there is a problem with the Audigy 2, or do I have configuration / finger problems at this end.? Richard.

Jan 6, 2003, 05:57 PM	#2
RIV@NVX Freedom is a feature. Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Croatia, Rijeka Posts: 4,476 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	a)Unsupported ADC (I think) b)Unsupported DAC __________________ -- Vedran

Jan 8, 2003, 03:07 PM	#4
RIV@NVX Freedom is a feature. Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Croatia, Rijeka Posts: 4,476 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	And please copy hardware info in About screen. __________________ -- Vedran

Jan 9, 2003, 09:45 PM	#8
RIV@NVX Freedom is a feature. Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Croatia, Rijeka Posts: 4,476 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	DB Name:LiveBay0x (LiveBay1) Generic10kX [ff40] (CT0092 10k2 [cc00]) PCI Information: Device: 41102 (41102) Subsys: 10021102 (531102) ChipRev: 4 (3) Card is '10k2' (-\|\|-) Card has MPU device (-\|\|-) Card model is '5.1' (-\|\|-) Card HAS AC97 codec (-\|\|-) Codec name: SigmaTel STAC9721/23 (TriTech TR A5/CT1297 TAT) 3D Extension: SigmaTel 3D Enhancement (No 3D Stereo Enhancement) Codec is 2.0 compliant (Codec is 1.0 compliant) Capabilities[6940] ([0]) : DAC resolutions : -16-bit- -18-bit- (-16-bit-) ADC resolutions : -16-bit- -18-bit- (-16-bit-) Ext Capabilities [200]([0]): -slot/DAC mappings- Port: ff40 Irq: 9 (Port: cc00 Irq: 5) The () thing is my OEM Audigy, just for comparison. LiveBay is different (is that newer Audigy2 Drive)? Generic10kX is expected - kind of, because inf doesn't support it yet. BTW, just for curiorsity, is your Audigy2 SB0240? Device is still Audigy, so Device is the same. Subsys is different (expected), as well as ChipRev. 10k2, same, expected; MPU device, same, expected. Card model 5.1 is not expected (maybe is, because kX can't detect 6.1, and assumes that every 10k2 is 5.1. AC97 codec present - expected. SigmaTel instead of CT - expected, detected correctly (this codec is used on some Live! cards). It is much better than TriTech/CT. But strange fact is that 24/96 advertised on Analog output card has -16-bit- -18-bit- AC97 codec. And Capabilities are different (exceeds my knowledge). Ext Capabilites - don't know, overrides my knowledge. Port, IRQ - depends on your HW/SW config. Thanks for your reply, I wanted to compare this for a long time __________________ -- Vedran

Jan 10, 2003, 06:12 PM	#11
RIV@NVX Freedom is a feature. Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Croatia, Rijeka Posts: 4,476 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	@Eugene: OK, sorry for information I guessed wrong I was reading this article about Audigy2, so I don't know much about it. I just don't know why they used SigmaTel on newer and better card than "old" CT1297? Maybe because they are Creative Audigy Platinum eX doesn't have AC97 codec? Well, I didn't knew that fact... I thought that "all kX-compatible cards have an AC97 codec, with the exception of the E-mu APS". Well, maybe that's why it costs sooooo much @Matth: Do you maybe know where to get datasheers of CT1297? __________________ -- Vedran

Jan 8, 2003, 02:58 PM	#3
Eugene Gavrilov kX Project Lead Programmer and Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,119 Rep Power: 75	could you please describe your experience with Audigy2+kX? what inputs / outputs function? does switching to 'Digital Output Only Mode' change anything? does 'Remote Control' work? and so on... /Eugene

Jan 9, 2003, 01:44 PM	Thread Starter #5
Richard White DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	I tried using the digial out only mode - didn't change things. I didn't try the remote... sorry... I cloned my system to another disk, then tried the drivers for a bout a day or so... was trying to do multi-track under Sonar... noticed the no sound out to speakers, tried some recording - but noticed the clipping. Also noticed the problem posted on this forum - where the 4 inputs seem to point to the same source (!) At this point, I figured not much point pursuing the matter until the card was supported (unless someone else had got this working, or found something that needed to be configured to get it to work... Based on what I've read in these postings... I'll have to wait for KX to support Audigy 2 as well as the next release of SONAR to get ASIO drier support... By the way my hardware is AMD XP2400+ on a A7V333 motherboard 1GB PC2700 DDR RAM ATI AIW Radeon 7500 SB Audigy 2 Platinum Dlink 530TX NIC XP Pro SP1 R.

Jan 9, 2003, 09:20 PM	Thread Starter #7
Richard White DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	Here's what show's up in the about window... ----Hardware / Software configuration--------------- Driver Name:kX Audio Driver (Debug) Driver Date: Dec 2 2002 02:41:11 Driver Version: 5.10.00.3528 - debug DB Name:LiveBay0x Generic10kX [ff40] PCI Information: Device: 41102 Subsys: 10021102 ChipRev: 4 Card is '10k2' Card has MPU device Card model is '5.1' Card HAS AC97 codec Codec name: SigmaTel STAC9721/23 3D Extension: SigmaTel 3D Enhancement Codec is 2.0 compliant Capabilities[6940] : DAC resolutions : -16-bit- -18-bit- ADC resolutions : -16-bit- -18-bit- Ext Capabilities [200]: -slot/DAC mappings- Port: ff40 Irq: 9 Playback buffer: 20a0 Record buffer: 4000 Number of AC3 buffers: 8 Tank memory: 256 kb

Jan 10, 2003, 03:32 PM	#9
Eugene Gavrilov kX Project Lead Programmer and Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,119 Rep Power: 75	>> LiveBay is different (is that newer Audigy2 Drive)? could be >> Card model 5.1 is not expected (maybe is, because kX can't >> detect 6.1, and assumes that every 10k2 is 5.1. expected, because the ac97 codec itself is not 5.1-compliant moreover, ac97 codec is NOT used for audio output at all it is only used for cd-audio, mic , TAD & line-in [on-board] the Phililps UDA i2s codecs were replaced by the new codec which is 6.1-capable. it cannot be autodetected [as well as the Philips codecs] but it requires special initialization, which is not done by the present driver. >> AC97 codec present - expected. btw, Audigy Platinum EX does NOT have ac97 codec that's why I'd recommend to buy the EX- model. >> SigmaTel instead of CT - expected, detected correctly (this >> codec is used on some Live! cards). It is much better than >> TriTech/CT. no, it is not better. it has significant bugs related to interchannel delays etc... >>But strange fact is that 24/96 advertised on Analog output >>card has -16-bit- -18-bit- AC97 codec. And Capabilities are >>different (exceeds my knowledge). the 24/96 capability is supplied by the new codec, not the ac97 codec [the same happens with Audigy, btw] /Eugene

Jan 10, 2003, 03:49 PM	#10
Matth Flash Banner Hater Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: UK Posts: 3,426 Rep Power: 93 System Specs	May be better as a new thread, but this site http://grassomusic.de/english/frames...h/rauschen.htm rates the CT1297 BETTER than the Sigmatel ST9721 http://grassomusic.de/english/methoden.htm#ac97 And the CS4297 best of all

Jan 10, 2003, 08:45 PM	#12
Matth Flash Banner Hater Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: UK Posts: 3,426 Rep Power: 93 System Specs	Everything I've spotted keeps pointing to it being a rebranded and inferior version of the Cirrus CS4297(A?) I vaguely recall another review (can't find it) that had one of them better for input, and the other better for output.

Jan 11, 2003, 12:07 AM	#14
Max M. h/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,639 Rep Power: 69	>Eugene, is that what you needed? - What for? __________________

Jan 11, 2003, 03:07 AM	#15
Eugene Gavrilov kX Project Lead Programmer and Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,119 Rep Power: 75	no we have all the datasheets on the codecs, but we need some information on how the codec is accessed via 10k2 chip! that is, signal routings, DSP outputs allocation, 10k2 HARDWARE register mappings for this codec (btw, not CT1297, but CS4382, because ct1297 seems to be accessed the same way as any other AC97 codec (on Live, Audigy1 etc..)) note: http://opensource.creative.com notice: 'Good news' a question: WHERE IS THE RELEASED INFORMATION?!.. /Eugene

Jan 11, 2003, 08:52 PM	#17
Max M. h/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,639 Rep Power: 69	Where is CS4382 used? - CS4382 is the one more CORE of Audigy2 (in addition to its Audigy1 core) that allows all that sweet true 24/96 I/O... __________________

Jan 12, 2003, 12:41 AM	#18
Eugene Gavrilov kX Project Lead Programmer and Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,119 Rep Power: 75	well, after some investigations of the *Kreative drivers, I've found out that the 'second core' is called "haP16V" and is not necessarily CS4382-related. that is, the cs4382 codec is used for _analog_ output ONLY ["8 channel digital-to-analog system" -- per Cirrus Logic specs] according to my present information, the PCI IO space was extended for Audigy2, thus, enabling access for additional registers and, possibly, to additional chip ['haP16V'] that is, cs4382 simply plays the role of the legacy Philips UDA i2s output codecs, but it doesn't deal with recording and / or PCI... Audigy2 uses AC97 codec for mic/line/tad/cdaudio (as Audigy & live) -- but Audigy2 Ex lacks this codec and doesn't have these inputs so, resum/e: the cs4382 codec is not very important simply because it cannot be directly programmed [the same way as UDA Philips codecs], however, the additional I/O space is used for controlling some (unknown) chip (or part of Audigy2 processor). /Eugene p.s. it would be intersting to have a list of all the chips located on the Audigy2 board and compare them to Audigy2 Ex and Audigy1...

Jan 12, 2003, 02:43 PM	#19
RIV@NVX Freedom is a feature. Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Croatia, Rijeka Posts: 4,476 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	It would be nice if someone in UnKreative Labs cared and sent you some hardware.... __________________ -- Vedran

Jan 12, 2003, 04:13 PM	#20
Eugene Gavrilov kX Project Lead Programmer and Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,119 Rep Power: 75	concerning Audigy2 support: here's a list of commands I would like any Audigy2 user to execute from the command line: kxctrl -sptr 76 400 kxctrl -sfn0 20 600000 kxctrl -sfn0 42 14 kxctrl -sfn0 20 6e0000 kxctrl -sfn0 24 ff00ff00 kxctrl -sfn0 14 10c071 kxctrl -sfn0 18 40 make sure you do this as fast as possible that is, I recommend you create a .bat file also, make sure you DON'T playback any audio -- I even recommend you to unload the kX Mixer this sequence MIGHT enable audio on Audigy2 [legal disclaimer] this information was never tested and is provided on "AS IS" basis -- I take no responsibility for any results good luck /Eugene

Jan 15, 2003, 08:28 PM	#21
billcow DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 14 Rep Power: 0	I tried those commands with my Audigy2 Platinum and they didn't activate audio. However, for the first one (the -sptr one) the program only displayed the help message (like it didn't understand the input). The headphone outputs work fine, and I haven't tried recording anything yet, so I don't know whether that works. Hope this helps :).

Jan 17, 2003, 04:44 AM	#22
davemann DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 16 Rep Power: 0	I really don't understand why creative doesn't just hire you guys to make some sweetass drivers.... to distribute their products with, that is.

Jan 17, 2003, 04:46 AM	#23
davemann DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 16 Rep Power: 0	Oh, and another thing... can you guys please take the snowflakes out of the page now, they lag scrolling, and it's past christmas already!

Jan 17, 2003, 11:51 AM	#24
Eugene Gavrilov kX Project Lead Programmer and Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,119 Rep Power: 75	>> kxctrl -sptr 76 400 oops! kxctrl -sptr 76 0 400 retry, pls

Jan 17, 2003, 01:14 PM	#25
billcow DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 14 Rep Power: 0	Well, they don't get normal audio output working, but after I ran them, I got a high-pitched (somewhere around 8 kHz) tone out of the 3rd analog output on the card and an extremely noisy (almost the intended output, with buffer underflow issues, overlaid on top of white noise that is also suffering from similar buffering issues) sound out of the SP/DIF output on the card. The SP/'DIF out gave the same results without running those commands (I think, can't remember for sure). The Headphone output on the Drive worked exactly the same before and after the commands were executed. Here is the stuff from the about dialog. ----Hardware / Software configuration--------------- Driver Name:kX Audio Driver (Debug) Driver Date: Dec 2 2002 02:41:11 Driver Version: 5.10.00.3528 - debug DB Name:LiveBay0x Generic10kX [b400] PCI Information: Device: 41102 Subsys: 10021102 ChipRev: 4 Card is '10k2' Card has MPU device Card model is '5.1' Card HAS AC97 codec Codec name: SigmaTel STAC9721/23 3D Extension: SigmaTel 3D Enhancement Codec is 2.0 compliant Capabilities[6940] : DAC resolutions : -16-bit- -18-bit- ADC resolutions : -16-bit- -18-bit- Ext Capabilities [200]: -slot/DAC mappings- Port: b400 Irq: 12 Playback buffer: 20a0 Record buffer: 4000 Number of AC3 buffers: 8 Tank memory: 256 kb ----------------------------------------------------

May 15, 2003, 07:11 PM	#26
loredana DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	AUDIGY 2 platinum ----Hardware / Software configuration--------------- Driver Name:kX Audio Driver (Debug) Driver Date: May 12 2003 01:22:05 Driver Version: 5.10.00.3533 - debug DB Name:LiveBay2 SB0240 10k2 [cc00] PCI Information: Device: 41102 Subsys: 10021102 ChipRev: 4 Card is '10k2' Card has MPU device Card model is '5.1' Card is Audigy2-compatible Card HAS AC97 codec Codec name: SigmaTel STAC9721/23 3D Extension: SigmaTel 3D Enhancement Codec is 2.0 compliant Capabilities[6940] : DAC resolutions : -16-bit- -18-bit- ADC resolutions : -16-bit- -18-bit- Ext Capabilities [200]: -slot/DAC mappings- Port: cc00 Irq: 16 Playback buffer: 20a0 Record buffer: 4000 Number of AC3 buffers: 4 Tank memory: 256 kb OS version: [2 5 1 Service Pack 1; 2 5 1 Service Pack 1; 156 148] This is my configuration. For some reason it works. I'm using a Eurorack UB802 between my PC and my speakers, which is attached to the swapped front(which makes it a rear) of the card via the "tape in"connector of the mixer. When recording voice, I'm using a B1 condenser ( Berhinger ) via the mixer's"tape out" (has phantom power) and into the aux in (front driver of the audigy). My CUBASE SX is sometimes acting "weired"....like the video is moving, but no sound, and suddenly viodeo stops and the sound plays and makes it up, and only after this they continue synchronized. Restarting Cubase always helps. DON'T FORGET TO SAVE!!! ) MIdi in works fine, most of the VSTi I'm using work ok. One other problem I have, and I'm sure is soundcard connected....sometimes, when I start a dial-up connection, computer crashes. This might be due to the fact that the modem and audigy are both PCI and use the same resources. If you have any questions about how audigy 2 platinum is reacting to the driver, I'll be happy to answer. I'm using AMD athlon xp 2000+ , on ECS motherboard, 256 DDR, GeForce 128mb DDR, Windows XP OEM.

May 16, 2003, 02:09 AM	#27
Eugene Gavrilov kX Project Lead Programmer and Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,119 Rep Power: 75	thanks for your info however, you probably haven't reviewed our 'Changelog' -- both audigy2 and audigy2 ex are now supported by kX [but not the 24/96 stuff] moreover, thanks to kX Community, we now have audigy2 boards for our experiments /Eugene

Apr 27, 2009, 02:48 AM	#28
zeureo DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	Re: KX Drivers on Audigy 2 Hi Eugene, I have used your kx drivers with BOTH audigy and audigy 2 with no problems... am I confusing models? Only reason i don't use audigy 2 is i still use the MIDI connector on audigy 1 (built a MIDI in/thru box for it). Question: would the kx driver likely work under Linux & WINE? BTW Keep up the AWESOME work..kx rules! Zeureo

Apr 28, 2009, 04:33 PM	#29
peate HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 409 Rep Power: 57	Re: KX Drivers on Audigy 2 This has got to be one of the oldest revived posts I've ever read, LOL. Almost 6 years old. Anyways, there is work going on with Linux drivers, I just don't know the progress being made on them. I'd like to try that also.