sonar not access to soundfonts(v 4.04)

mrvomit · Nov 13, 2005, 10:54 PM

For sonar users:
I cant' access the "option-soundfonts" tab:
is not selectable anymore.

So is not possible anymore to load "per-project"soundfonts like before.
Is the last version of sonar 4.04

Anyone experienced the same issue maybe?

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per project soundfont is extremely useful to don load manually into kx multiple sounfonts .

mrvomit · Nov 15, 2005, 01:57 PM

tried to reinstall 4.03.
the same issue.

Also,i experience very often crashes of sonar during recording(when i stop the record) .
The system and the os are quite fresh.
it my new machine athlon64 3000+ ,dfi ultra-d mobo.

I've tried to uninstall with custom option(erasing shared files also).
and after i 've erased with Regcleaner the cakewalk entries
(EXCEPT cakewalkl adapter ,i hope there is no issue related to that)

There is other files th sonar leaves on the pc installed even after the custom fluu Uninstallation?

Maddogg6 · Nov 15, 2005, 08:47 PM

I think its related to the SFMAN.DLL (aka.. Soundfont Manager) - make sure thats in your windows/system or sindows/system32 dirs. - I think I remember a version problem..

Search these forums about the sfman.dll - I think (pretty sure) its installed by KX .. ?? But *may* need to be installed by CL.

mrvomit · Nov 15, 2005, 10:28 PM

Thanks.But i think i did right the installation.
As before to install Kx i MUST deinstall creative with driver cleaner.

Edit: checked ,the version of sfman on windows32 and kx folder is 5.12.1.130

in folder "dll cache" is 4.6.0.501 instead .

But is strange as it was always like that and i had no problem about.
I will try to switch the one found on dll.chache

mrvomit · Nov 15, 2005, 11:11 PM

uhm no,it did'nt work.
Also ,
the sonar 4.03 now the same problems i had with 4.04 (no soundfont ,crashing ,and impossible to save as a bundle for a specific project ).
Meaning (for me)
Windows somehow did'nt erase evrything ,
I start really to hate fully that windows, i feel as every day i lose more control of it.

mrvomit · Nov 15, 2005, 11:13 PM

and maybe is KX related?as Vienna don find a soundfont compatible soundcard.
for the rest the drivers seem to work.
But if the drivers have a problem ,maybe that's the reason also i get sonar crashes

mrvomit · Nov 19, 2005, 01:12 PM

NOTHING to do.
I'm DESPERATE NOW.

Another thing: when i try to load VIENNA,
vienna tells me: " unable to initialise soundfont compatible driver ",there is no soundfont compatible device.

Plus, the usual problem with installing Kx.
No matter how many times i did run cab/driver cleaner,creative drivers are always there.
I can install kx in administrator mode, but when i log like user (which it should have administrator privileges anyway),i have to reinstall.
Then,theoretically it works ,but i experience crashes on recording (randomly) ,and no additional soundfont on sonar except the ones loaded THROUGH Kx

WHAT COULD I DO?
COUNTLESS hours i'm tryng but i could'nt use it.

mrvomit · Nov 19, 2005, 01:13 PM

Maybe install later 3538(i'm tryingtith 3537) ,or moving pci? (i have only 2 pci slots on the new machine sadly)

Maddogg6 · Nov 19, 2005, 05:12 PM

Unfortunatly all of your problems (sonar and vienna) are definitly a sign of a driver problem.
BUT, maybe it stems from other things like - did you remove the KX mixer from the windows startup (in registry)? I wonder if thats it?

Did you install ASIO4ALL?
Did you read and follow install / uninstall instructions word for word (KX and CL driver removal)?
Somehow I have doubts on this one - as it seems its 99% of the problems.

I use 3538h - and I have no issues in sonar or vienna (just slight tweaks in vienna, no intensive instrument designing or anything, mostly bank managing/copying - INTENSIVE use of Sonar tho - solid as a rock) with A2zs plat (sb0350)

It could be related to the mobo I suppose thats a possibility or maybe a bios setting/bug
Maybe try updating the bios on the mobo.
PS - I hear of more mobo/bios problems on AMD systems... I had several issues with my last PC which was AMD - I wont buy another VIA based board ever again.

Your not using the 64-bit windows are you?? KX isnt a 64bit driver - which is required by 64 bit windows.?? I cant imagine it even installing tho - so Ill guess not, but at this point its obviously something overlooks and assumed.

Sorry I cant be any more help.

mrvomit · Nov 20, 2005, 12:04 AM

thanks.

My new machine:
amd 64, Dfi ULTRA-D ,windows xp (not 64 ).
I bought that one exctly to make music using mor vsti,and i choose dfi as the more tweakable.I have the last ufficial bios for that card: 632-3
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other pc was p III machine
SIgh.
I dunno what to try at this point.

Also I DID'Nt get to WIPE OUT creative drivers, i mean ,on that machine and even on the other .
As i told ,i can use kx, but even after i 've installed them on "administrator"-log ( safe boot),
when i log as" user" i find AGAIN creatve drivers ,and i have to install kx again .
Then is "ok",
It happened also on the other machine ,but everything went well in that case.
I :
Log in safe mode:administrator:deinstall device-clen cab and drivers (driver cleaner)
-install kx setup.
reboot-again : creative there. deinstall again- CL- install kx(click setup)
log as user:AGAIN CREATIVE--simply install Kx and it works (not in THAT case).
SIGH.

mrvomit · Nov 20, 2005, 12:53 AM

OK .I think that uncompatibility is official.
Every time i 've searched to uninstall Kx driver i 've got enormous problems , computer went stuck .
Now i 've installed (windows did ) the creative ones (ORRIBLE SENSATION).

At the first ,soundfont option was not present.
Then ,after i 've uninstalled the package from "start-kx uninstall",
in sonar the "soundfont "option is again available.

Vienna starts normally (with his stupid limitation :vienna can't start if sonar is running)

MAn i feel really bad.
About 1000€ on new pc ,and no Kx, for me is a tragedy .

Hope that someone has an hint ,or a shared experience .
I wont give up on Kx ,i 'm addicted to it .

what the latest "stable" 3538 version?
does 3538 requires a special installation?

Maddogg6 · Nov 20, 2005, 01:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrvomit

Then ,after i 've uninstalled the package from "start-kx uninstall",
in sonar the "soundfont "option is again available.

This sounds like something is perventing drivers from being removed. Maybe anti virus, or anti-spyware is preventing driver update/changes. Or some kind of automatic system restoration or something... Its not making sense.

mrvomit · Nov 20, 2005, 12:39 PM

--Driver cleaner v3.3 is right version to do it?

--what the latest "stable" 3538 version? the one with less problems noticed ?
does 3538 requires a special installation,differ from 3537?

--in the case i have to give up Kx 8for the moment) ,whats the best creative drivers?

________________________________________________--

i have to sa th. That mobo (DFI ultra-d) is quite famous

and a lot of people took that , for his bios /overclocking-tweak ability.
So i 've choosen it (actually ,i took that motherboard as i heard "less compliants about).

I think is to advice th kx has problems with it ,could be a signal for others.

Really i don know where i can knock my head,to find a solution

mrvomit · Nov 20, 2005, 03:27 PM

another one:
vienna (with creative windows defaults ) can load sf2 files,but cant't play them:
i get error saying :"Unable to play the note!there is not enough dram on your audio card!"
like it would search onboard ram.

i remember there was a slider to "give ram" for soundfonts on "hq creative " for it ,but windows load only the basic drivers ,so i'm stuck.

Could be th i would have to install all the c*aps of creative to hear soundfonts?

AHH my head is exploding.
Always more time messing with pc than doing music.

And i wanna back my Kx

Maddogg6 · Nov 20, 2005, 05:55 PM

try turning off the over clocking - it maybe messing with PCI buss timing.

As I recall - windows drivers didnt support soundfonts.

KX version 3538I - requires only 1 installation 'EXE' or archive file, im pretty sure, but there are updates for some plugins that may have been bundles with I, found within these forums.

KX cersion 3538h (if you use MIDI drums on Ch10 - use this version of 3538, theres IS a bug that makes drums not work in I)
Requires installing 3 packages - A install and 2 updates.
Someone has (had) a site hosting the 3538h - search these forums for the alternate site.

So - to recap on all that you did -

You Uninstalled ALL CL software first -

then reboot

Then removed the CL driver in the device manager - The joystick port too? - right?

Then rebooted into safe mode with Admin rights

Ran driver cleaner and removed ALL traces of CL crap (and KX too if previously installed)

The rebooted

Canceled the Hardware wizard

The followed the instructions (WORD for WORD) to install what ever KX version you desired?

Then reboot yet again...

Is this correct - some how I have doubts..

OR - some software on your system is preventing these events from happening.

seems like 99% of install problems are from user error - mostly not reading the 'Supported cards' section of the KX main site - OR the install instructions.

Maybe there is mobo incompatibility - but it would be the first I read about it

Anyone here know of known problems with mobo's? - If not - I suspect its the over clocking or some other bios setting.

Try putting bios back to defaults - or some other known to work state.

I have read in other forum that overclocking caused hardware install problems.

It *may* be that, you need to turn off OC to get the driver to install - the turn on OC again after. ?? - I'm reaching I know... but its better than you banging your head against the concrete walls :S.

mrvomit · Nov 20, 2005, 07:45 PM

somehow ,i 've installed 3538h. It's unstable (crashes ) ,but is on the system!
i've moved on the 2nd pci the card:

It found "NO kx devices"..various "damnation" from me..
i logged into administrator,and
i installed again the full package.
this time i DID'nt run Cl,simply installed kx drivers,and they went installed on the system.

I think is DEFINETELY NOT "polite" installation.
i followed your Advice (which is the advice i found on another topic, but thank's to YOU i was more sure about) for installing 3538H.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!THANKS Maddogg6 !!!!!! for your PRECIOUS help

,now i have to breathe a little (soundfont option works,but kx is a bit unstable)
Mhhph so "Mind blowing " have to deal with that kind of things

Maddogg6 · Nov 20, 2005, 07:48 PM

I had older version of KX installed on Win98SE and was too unstable for me also. Its pretty solid in XP tho.

True - KX isnt the most friendly of an installation.

If you are on win98 - look for the APSLive drivers - they are very good for SBLive cards too. - KX is better - but in win98 - they were great for me.

Also, when installing 3538h - did you reboot between intalling the 3 different packages?? I think I did when I installed it. Now Im not sure what the install instructions recommended - but it would make sense - as the upgrades would assume the system has been booted with the previous versions in tact prior to the upgrades.

mrvomit · Nov 20, 2005, 09:35 PM

Winxp here. English.
I installed without reboot three time , as they suggest to install kx pack files but not to click on "setup -install" drivers until iyou have all the files installed.

i had aps n win98 too.
Great ,but not supported drivers.

Maddogg6 · Nov 20, 2005, 10:30 PM

See if turning off overclocking fixes stability problems...

mrvomit · Nov 21, 2005, 08:45 PM

mostly i don understand HOW i got to install them. it was just a matter of luck ,and i don like that ,it would be good to install always the right way.
i 'm quite sure is not "polite" that installation at themoment.

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little ot:

is it true that sfman32 of 3538I is better?

Maddogg6 · Nov 21, 2005, 09:44 PM

Well, I dont beleive its luck - I went from CL to 3537, then to 3538h, then CL (yPax) then 3538i - and back to 3538h - all with out a hitch. (other than known bugs in their respective operation). And Im no less stable than when windows installed the default driver set for my card. (my PC is on from 8am to 11Pm pretty much 7 days a week and I rarely need to re-boot.

Ill still say you didnt completely understand the install instructions, or over looked something un-related to KX. Again, Ill concede, KX requires reading and understanding, where as CL doesn't and is more 'plug and play'.

And I notice your not acknowledging the Overclocking points I made.

Also, if you intend to use MIDI channel 10 for drums on the KX hardware synth (sound fonts) - dont use 3538i - as its a known bug that you wont hear the drums. Which is THE reason I went back to 3538h.

mrvomit · Nov 22, 2005, 01:44 AM

I got your point on overclock and so on.And i installed without overclock (but is a "moderate " overclock anyway)
On other machine i worked more than 1 year with Kx.
And i'm not blaming the drivers for the problems,(the mobo went out after the drivers).
_________________________
checking on sonar,first installation :
there was no asio input drivers ,there were all the input drivers ,not the asio input driver.
EDit:after messing with asio panel (i configured purposely a wrong setting) sonar configured the driver automatically in "his own way" .i start to think is alchemy ,not pc recording.

Maddogg6 · Nov 22, 2005, 01:59 AM

In sonar - by default it used WinMM for me... In the audio options - advanced tab - is where you assign which audio interface to use . Try changing it to WDM or MME - restart sonar - run the audio tuning wizrd - re-start sonar and change back to ASIO. (I only mention this because Im wondering if past problems stored a setting in the sonars config file/registry.)

Also, make sure KX asio CP is set to something that has a number AFTER the '+'

It sounds like you have it set to 16 bit 44Khz [8+0] - the first number represemting the number of playback channels and the secong number representing the number of record channels.

If I understand your last post correctly... its not really making a lot of sense.

Maddogg6 · Nov 22, 2005, 02:01 AM

Also, alll because OC works well with 1 mobo/driver combo - doesnt mean it will on all mobos.... Id still recommend disabling OC to see if stability problems disappear.

mrvomit · Nov 22, 2005, 02:36 AM

yep i see the point.
the 8+0 is the first time i see ,is only on 3538 to let use asio on 44.100 khz if i understand correctly:i wonder why it got loaded by default.

But a "ghost is poking me" :
Also sonar is acting crazy,now it doesn't let me save the file in a separate folder (the "consolidate project "option).Bundle neither (that happened also before)

Ahhhh better i go to sleep .is definetely not the day.
i will have to install sonar also again

mrvomit · Nov 25, 2005, 03:29 PM

Even with system not overclocked ,

sonar crashes very often during recording ,that's REALLY a pain in the **s.
I'VE REINSTALLED DRIVERS (THROUGH OPTION "REINSTALL")..
even reseted /restarted cakewalk vst adapter (who knows ) but no luck at all.
And i don find helpful traces on google of that (crashes during recording).

In particular:FIRST record of a session goes good ,others th. follow: sonar crashes regularly.frustrating is says nothing

Nov 13, 2005, 10:54 PM	#1
mrvomit HardwareHeaven Addict Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 261 Rep Power: 0	sonar not access to soundfonts(v 4.04) For sonar users: I cant' access the "option-soundfonts" tab: is not selectable anymore. So is not possible anymore to load "per-project"soundfonts like before. Is the last version of sonar 4.04 Anyone experienced the same issue maybe? ______- per project soundfont is extremely useful to don load manually into kx multiple sounfonts . __________________ audio: Audigy 2 platinum SB0240 - amd 939 175 opty- Backup: Sblive 5.1 platinum (w.live drive) Sb060 DVDwriter : pioneer 107, nec 3540A windows XP

Nov 15, 2005, 01:57 PM	Thread Starter #2
mrvomit HardwareHeaven Addict Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 261 Rep Power: 0	tried to reinstall 4.03. the same issue. Also,i experience very often crashes of sonar during recording(when i stop the record) . The system and the os are quite fresh. it my new machine athlon64 3000+ ,dfi ultra-d mobo. I've tried to uninstall with custom option(erasing shared files also). and after i 've erased with Regcleaner the cakewalk entries (EXCEPT cakewalkl adapter ,i hope there is no issue related to that) There is other files th sonar leaves on the pc installed even after the custom fluu Uninstallation? __________________ audio: Audigy 2 platinum SB0240 - amd 939 175 opty- Backup: Sblive 5.1 platinum (w.live drive) Sb060 DVDwriter : pioneer 107, nec 3540A windows XP

Nov 15, 2005, 10:28 PM	Thread Starter #4
mrvomit HardwareHeaven Addict Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 261 Rep Power: 0	Thanks.But i think i did right the installation. As before to install Kx i MUST deinstall creative with driver cleaner. Edit: checked ,the version of sfman on windows32 and kx folder is 5.12.1.130 in folder "dll cache" is 4.6.0.501 instead . But is strange as it was always like that and i had no problem about. I will try to switch the one found on dll.chache __________________ audio: Audigy 2 platinum SB0240 - amd 939 175 opty- Backup: Sblive 5.1 platinum (w.live drive) Sb060 DVDwriter : pioneer 107, nec 3540A windows XP

Nov 15, 2005, 11:11 PM	Thread Starter #5
mrvomit HardwareHeaven Addict Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 261 Rep Power: 0	uhm no,it did'nt work. Also , the sonar 4.03 now the same problems i had with 4.04 (no soundfont ,crashing ,and impossible to save as a bundle for a specific project ). Meaning (for me) Windows somehow did'nt erase evrything , I start really to hate fully that windows, i feel as every day i lose more control of it. __________________ audio: Audigy 2 platinum SB0240 - amd 939 175 opty- Backup: Sblive 5.1 platinum (w.live drive) Sb060 DVDwriter : pioneer 107, nec 3540A windows XP

Nov 15, 2005, 11:13 PM	Thread Starter #6
mrvomit HardwareHeaven Addict Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 261 Rep Power: 0	and maybe is KX related?as Vienna don find a soundfont compatible soundcard. for the rest the drivers seem to work. But if the drivers have a problem ,maybe that's the reason also i get sonar crashes __________________ audio: Audigy 2 platinum SB0240 - amd 939 175 opty- Backup: Sblive 5.1 platinum (w.live drive) Sb060 DVDwriter : pioneer 107, nec 3540A windows XP

Nov 15, 2005, 08:47 PM	#3
Maddogg6 Tail Razer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bernyurass, AZ - USA Posts: 4,027 Rep Power: 0	I think its related to the SFMAN.DLL (aka.. Soundfont Manager) - make sure thats in your windows/system or sindows/system32 dirs. - I think I remember a version problem.. Search these forums about the sfman.dll - I think (pretty sure) its installed by KX .. ?? But may need to be installed by CL.

Nov 19, 2005, 01:12 PM	Thread Starter #7
mrvomit HardwareHeaven Addict Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 261 Rep Power: 0	NOTHING to do. I'm DESPERATE NOW. Another thing: when i try to load VIENNA, vienna tells me: " unable to initialise soundfont compatible driver ",there is no soundfont compatible device. Plus, the usual problem with installing Kx. No matter how many times i did run cab/driver cleaner,creative drivers are always there. I can install kx in administrator mode, but when i log like user (which it should have administrator privileges anyway),i have to reinstall. Then,theoretically it works ,but i experience crashes on recording (randomly) ,and no additional soundfont on sonar except the ones loaded THROUGH Kx WHAT COULD I DO? COUNTLESS hours i'm tryng but i could'nt use it. __________________ audio: Audigy 2 platinum SB0240 - amd 939 175 opty- Backup: Sblive 5.1 platinum (w.live drive) Sb060 DVDwriter : pioneer 107, nec 3540A windows XP

Nov 19, 2005, 01:13 PM	Thread Starter #8
mrvomit HardwareHeaven Addict Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 261 Rep Power: 0	Maybe install later 3538(i'm tryingtith 3537) ,or moving pci? (i have only 2 pci slots on the new machine sadly) __________________ audio: Audigy 2 platinum SB0240 - amd 939 175 opty- Backup: Sblive 5.1 platinum (w.live drive) Sb060 DVDwriter : pioneer 107, nec 3540A windows XP Last edited by mrvomit; Nov 19, 2005 at 02:00 PM.

Nov 19, 2005, 05:12 PM	#9
Maddogg6 Tail Razer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bernyurass, AZ - USA Posts: 4,027 Rep Power: 0	Unfortunatly all of your problems (sonar and vienna) are definitly a sign of a driver problem. BUT, maybe it stems from other things like - did you remove the KX mixer from the windows startup (in registry)? I wonder if thats it? Did you install ASIO4ALL? Did you read and follow install / uninstall instructions word for word (KX and CL driver removal)? Somehow I have doubts on this one - as it seems its 99% of the problems. I use 3538h - and I have no issues in sonar or vienna (just slight tweaks in vienna, no intensive instrument designing or anything, mostly bank managing/copying - INTENSIVE use of Sonar tho - solid as a rock) with A2zs plat (sb0350) It could be related to the mobo I suppose thats a possibility or maybe a bios setting/bug Maybe try updating the bios on the mobo. PS - I hear of more mobo/bios problems on AMD systems... I had several issues with my last PC which was AMD - I wont buy another VIA based board ever again. Your not using the 64-bit windows are you?? KX isnt a 64bit driver - which is required by 64 bit windows.?? I cant imagine it even installing tho - so Ill guess not, but at this point its obviously something overlooks and assumed. Sorry I cant be any more help.

Nov 20, 2005, 12:04 AM	Thread Starter #10
mrvomit HardwareHeaven Addict Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 261 Rep Power: 0	thanks. My new machine: amd 64, Dfi ULTRA-D ,windows xp (not 64 ). I bought that one exctly to make music using mor vsti,and i choose dfi as the more tweakable.I have the last ufficial bios for that card: 632-3 _________________________________________ other pc was p III machine SIgh. I dunno what to try at this point. Also I DID'Nt get to WIPE OUT creative drivers, i mean ,on that machine and even on the other . As i told ,i can use kx, but even after i 've installed them on "administrator"-log ( safe boot), when i log as" user" i find AGAIN creatve drivers ,and i have to install kx again . Then is "ok", It happened also on the other machine ,but everything went well in that case. I : Log in safe mode:administrator:deinstall device-clen cab and drivers (driver cleaner) -install kx setup. reboot-again : creative there. deinstall again- CL- install kx(click setup) log as user:AGAIN CREATIVE--simply install Kx and it works (not in THAT case). SIGH. __________________ audio: Audigy 2 platinum SB0240 - amd 939 175 opty- Backup: Sblive 5.1 platinum (w.live drive) Sb060 DVDwriter : pioneer 107, nec 3540A windows XP

Nov 20, 2005, 12:53 AM	Thread Starter #11
mrvomit HardwareHeaven Addict Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 261 Rep Power: 0	OK .I think that uncompatibility is official. Every time i 've searched to uninstall Kx driver i 've got enormous problems , computer went stuck . Now i 've installed (windows did ) the creative ones (ORRIBLE SENSATION). At the first ,soundfont option was not present. Then ,after i 've uninstalled the package from "start-kx uninstall", in sonar the "soundfont "option is again available. Vienna starts normally (with his stupid limitation :vienna can't start if sonar is running) MAn i feel really bad. About 1000€ on new pc ,and no Kx, for me is a tragedy . Hope that someone has an hint ,or a shared experience . I wont give up on Kx ,i 'm addicted to it . what the latest "stable" 3538 version? does 3538 requires a special installation? __________________ audio: Audigy 2 platinum SB0240 - amd 939 175 opty- Backup: Sblive 5.1 platinum (w.live drive) Sb060 DVDwriter : pioneer 107, nec 3540A windows XP Last edited by mrvomit; Nov 20, 2005 at 12:27 PM.

Nov 20, 2005, 12:39 PM	Thread Starter #13
mrvomit HardwareHeaven Addict Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 261 Rep Power: 0	--Driver cleaner v3.3 is right version to do it? --what the latest "stable" 3538 version? the one with less problems noticed ? does 3538 requires a special installation,differ from 3537? --in the case i have to give up Kx 8for the moment) ,whats the best creative drivers? ________________________________________________-- i have to sa th. That mobo (DFI ultra-d) is quite famous and a lot of people took that , for his bios /overclocking-tweak ability. So i 've choosen it (actually ,i took that motherboard as i heard "less compliants about). I think is to advice th kx has problems with it ,could be a signal for others. Really i don know where i can knock my head,to find a solution __________________ audio: Audigy 2 platinum SB0240 - amd 939 175 opty- Backup: Sblive 5.1 platinum (w.live drive) Sb060 DVDwriter : pioneer 107, nec 3540A windows XP Last edited by mrvomit; Nov 20, 2005 at 02:43 PM.

Nov 20, 2005, 03:27 PM	Thread Starter #14
mrvomit HardwareHeaven Addict Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 261 Rep Power: 0	another one: vienna (with creative windows defaults ) can load sf2 files,but cant't play them: i get error saying :"Unable to play the note!there is not enough dram on your audio card!" like it would search onboard ram. i remember there was a slider to "give ram" for soundfonts on "hq creative " for it ,but windows load only the basic drivers ,so i'm stuck. Could be th i would have to install all the caps of creative to hear soundfonts? AHH my head is exploding. Always more time messing with pc than doing music. And i wanna back my Kx __________________ audio: Audigy 2 platinum SB0240 - amd 939 175 opty- Backup: Sblive 5.1 platinum (w.live drive) Sb060* DVDwriter : pioneer 107, nec 3540A windows XP

Nov 20, 2005, 05:55 PM	#15
Maddogg6 Tail Razer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bernyurass, AZ - USA Posts: 4,027 Rep Power: 0	try turning off the over clocking - it maybe messing with PCI buss timing. As I recall - windows drivers didnt support soundfonts. KX version 3538I - requires only 1 installation 'EXE' or archive file, im pretty sure, but there are updates for some plugins that may have been bundles with I, found within these forums. KX cersion 3538h (if you use MIDI drums on Ch10 - use this version of 3538, theres IS a bug that makes drums not work in I) Requires installing 3 packages - A install and 2 updates. Someone has (had) a site hosting the 3538h - search these forums for the alternate site. So - to recap on all that you did - You Uninstalled ALL CL software first - then reboot Then removed the CL driver in the device manager - The joystick port too? - right? Then rebooted into safe mode with Admin rights Ran driver cleaner and removed ALL traces of CL crap (and KX too if previously installed) The rebooted Canceled the Hardware wizard The followed the instructions (WORD for WORD) to install what ever KX version you desired? Then reboot yet again... Is this correct - some how I have doubts.. OR - some software on your system is preventing these events from happening. seems like 99% of install problems are from user error - mostly not reading the 'Supported cards' section of the KX main site - OR the install instructions. Maybe there is mobo incompatibility - but it would be the first I read about it Anyone here know of known problems with mobo's? - If not - I suspect its the over clocking or some other bios setting. Try putting bios back to defaults - or some other known to work state. I have read in other forum that overclocking caused hardware install problems. It may be that, you need to turn off OC to get the driver to install - the turn on OC again after. ?? - I'm reaching I know... but its better than you banging your head against the concrete walls :S.

Nov 20, 2005, 07:45 PM	Thread Starter #16
mrvomit HardwareHeaven Addict Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 261 Rep Power: 0	somehow ,i 've installed 3538h. It's unstable (crashes ) ,but is on the system! i've moved on the 2nd pci the card: It found "NO kx devices"..various "damnation" from me.. i logged into administrator,and i installed again the full package. this time i DID'nt run Cl,simply installed kx drivers,and they went installed on the system. I think is DEFINETELY NOT "polite" installation. i followed your Advice (which is the advice i found on another topic, but thank's to YOU i was more sure about) for installing 3538H. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!THANKS Maddogg6 !!!!!! for your PRECIOUS help ,now i have to breathe a little (soundfont option works,but kx is a bit unstable) Mhhph so "Mind blowing " have to deal with that kind of things __________________ audio: Audigy 2 platinum SB0240 - amd 939 175 opty- Backup: Sblive 5.1 platinum (w.live drive) Sb060 DVDwriter : pioneer 107, nec 3540A windows XP

Nov 20, 2005, 07:48 PM	#17
Maddogg6 Tail Razer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bernyurass, AZ - USA Posts: 4,027 Rep Power: 0	I had older version of KX installed on Win98SE and was too unstable for me also. Its pretty solid in XP tho. True - KX isnt the most friendly of an installation. If you are on win98 - look for the APSLive drivers - they are very good for SBLive cards too. - KX is better - but in win98 - they were great for me. Also, when installing 3538h - did you reboot between intalling the 3 different packages?? I think I did when I installed it. Now Im not sure what the install instructions recommended - but it would make sense - as the upgrades would assume the system has been booted with the previous versions in tact prior to the upgrades.

Nov 20, 2005, 09:35 PM	Thread Starter #18
mrvomit HardwareHeaven Addict Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 261 Rep Power: 0	Winxp here. English. I installed without reboot three time , as they suggest to install kx pack files but not to click on "setup -install" drivers until iyou have all the files installed. i had aps n win98 too. Great ,but not supported drivers. __________________ audio: Audigy 2 platinum SB0240 - amd 939 175 opty- Backup: Sblive 5.1 platinum (w.live drive) Sb060 DVDwriter : pioneer 107, nec 3540A windows XP

Nov 20, 2005, 10:30 PM	#19
Maddogg6 Tail Razer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bernyurass, AZ - USA Posts: 4,027 Rep Power: 0	See if turning off overclocking fixes stability problems...

Nov 21, 2005, 08:45 PM	Thread Starter #20
mrvomit HardwareHeaven Addict Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 261 Rep Power: 0	mostly i don understand HOW i got to install them. it was just a matter of luck ,and i don like that ,it would be good to install always the right way. i 'm quite sure is not "polite" that installation at themoment. _____________ ___________ little ot: is it true that sfman32 of 3538I is better? __________________ audio: Audigy 2 platinum SB0240 - amd 939 175 opty- Backup: Sblive 5.1 platinum (w.live drive) Sb060 DVDwriter : pioneer 107, nec 3540A windows XP

Nov 21, 2005, 09:44 PM	#21
Maddogg6 Tail Razer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bernyurass, AZ - USA Posts: 4,027 Rep Power: 0	Well, I dont beleive its luck - I went from CL to 3537, then to 3538h, then CL (yPax) then 3538i - and back to 3538h - all with out a hitch. (other than known bugs in their respective operation). And Im no less stable than when windows installed the default driver set for my card. (my PC is on from 8am to 11Pm pretty much 7 days a week and I rarely need to re-boot. Ill still say you didnt completely understand the install instructions, or over looked something un-related to KX. Again, Ill concede, KX requires reading and understanding, where as CL doesn't and is more 'plug and play'. And I notice your not acknowledging the Overclocking points I made. Also, if you intend to use MIDI channel 10 for drums on the KX hardware synth (sound fonts) - dont use 3538i - as its a known bug that you wont hear the drums. Which is THE reason I went back to 3538h.

Nov 22, 2005, 01:44 AM	Thread Starter #22
mrvomit HardwareHeaven Addict Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 261 Rep Power: 0	I got your point on overclock and so on.And i installed without overclock (but is a "moderate " overclock anyway) On other machine i worked more than 1 year with Kx. And i'm not blaming the drivers for the problems,(the mobo went out after the drivers). _________________________ checking on sonar,first installation : there was no asio input drivers ,there were all the input drivers ,not the asio input driver. EDit:after messing with asio panel (i configured purposely a wrong setting) sonar configured the driver automatically in "his own way" .i start to think is alchemy ,not pc recording. __________________ audio: Audigy 2 platinum SB0240 - amd 939 175 opty- Backup: Sblive 5.1 platinum (w.live drive) Sb060 DVDwriter : pioneer 107, nec 3540A windows XP Last edited by mrvomit; Nov 22, 2005 at 01:58 AM.

Nov 22, 2005, 01:59 AM	#23
Maddogg6 Tail Razer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bernyurass, AZ - USA Posts: 4,027 Rep Power: 0	In sonar - by default it used WinMM for me... In the audio options - advanced tab - is where you assign which audio interface to use . Try changing it to WDM or MME - restart sonar - run the audio tuning wizrd - re-start sonar and change back to ASIO. (I only mention this because Im wondering if past problems stored a setting in the sonars config file/registry.) Also, make sure KX asio CP is set to something that has a number AFTER the '+' It sounds like you have it set to 16 bit 44Khz [8+0] - the first number represemting the number of playback channels and the secong number representing the number of record channels. If I understand your last post correctly... its not really making a lot of sense.

Nov 22, 2005, 02:01 AM	#24
Maddogg6 Tail Razer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bernyurass, AZ - USA Posts: 4,027 Rep Power: 0	Also, alll because OC works well with 1 mobo/driver combo - doesnt mean it will on all mobos.... Id still recommend disabling OC to see if stability problems disappear.

Nov 22, 2005, 02:36 AM	Thread Starter #25
mrvomit HardwareHeaven Addict Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 261 Rep Power: 0	yep i see the point. the 8+0 is the first time i see ,is only on 3538 to let use asio on 44.100 khz if i understand correctly:i wonder why it got loaded by default. But a "ghost is poking me" : Also sonar is acting crazy,now it doesn't let me save the file in a separate folder (the "consolidate project "option).Bundle neither (that happened also before) Ahhhh better i go to sleep .is definetely not the day. i will have to install sonar also again __________________ audio: Audigy 2 platinum SB0240 - amd 939 175 opty- Backup: Sblive 5.1 platinum (w.live drive) Sb060 DVDwriter : pioneer 107, nec 3540A windows XP

Nov 25, 2005, 03:29 PM	Thread Starter #26
mrvomit HardwareHeaven Addict Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 261 Rep Power: 0	Even with system not overclocked , sonar crashes very often during recording ,that's REALLY a pain in the *s. I'VE REINSTALLED DRIVERS (THROUGH OPTION "REINSTALL").. even reseted /restarted cakewalk vst adapter (who knows ) but no luck at all. And i don find helpful traces on google of that (crashes during recording). In particular:FIRST record of a session goes good ,others th. follow: sonar crashes regularly.frustrating is says nothing __________________ audio: Audigy 2 platinum SB0240 - amd 939 175 opty- Backup: Sblive 5.1 platinum (w.live drive) Sb060* DVDwriter : pioneer 107, nec 3540A windows XP Last edited by mrvomit; Nov 25, 2005 at 03:38 PM.