Sonar 4.0.3 & kX 3757: soundfonds not playing

vladimir_a · Nov 27, 2005, 01:59 PM

Hi there.

I have a very disappointing problem.

With kX 3757 driver, SB Live! 5.1 soundcard and Sonar 4.0.3 Producer Edition, I can't get my miditracks to play with any soundfonts other than general midi.

When I open my midi file and load, for example, a General User soundfont (in kX mixer), everything plays great. But when I load another soundfont through Sonar options, e.g. Finger Bass, set appropriate channel, bank and patch in a corresponding track, it just produces no sound.

Any ideas? Thanks in advance!

thomasabarnes · Nov 28, 2005, 02:55 AM

Try this: if u have a GM soundfont loaded via the kX Soundfont applet, unload it (and all other soundfonts). Now, just load soundfonts via SONAR's Options/Soundfont. That should work.

I dont know why it doesnt work when a GM soundfont is loaded via kX Soundfont applet. I think it may be that some GM soundfonts have instruments in more than just the Bank 0 position or something. Anyway, I found that things work OK when I unload the GM soundfont loaded via kX Soundfont applet. (Also, you may have to try selecting different Soundfont devices in the track's MIDI channel drop down list area).

If you want to use a GM MIDI soundfont, you can load that via SONAR's Options/Soundfonts, too.

You might wanna make a DSP setup that has no soundfonts loaded via kX Soundfont applet just for this purpose.

vladimir_a · Nov 28, 2005, 10:14 AM

Thank you for the reply, but I tried just about everything and it didn't work. When I load my bass soundfont through the Sonar options alone, strange thing happens. When I set appropriate options to the bass track, it produces no sound. But the acoustic guitar starts to play with bass sound and thats totally unexpected (it doesn't have track options set).

I can't figure out why is that acoustic steel guitar so special. Deleted all the patch changing instructions in all tracks that were genereted in my midi earlier, but still the acoustic guitar plays bass soundfont instead of the bass track.

There were no such problem with Sonar 2 XL, but I can't even install it, because it requires DirectX 8.1 while I have 9c, and the DirectX installing stage cannot be skipped in the Sonar 2 XL installator.

vladimir_a · Nov 28, 2005, 10:16 AM

Forgot to say - as for the DSP setup, I have the simplest possible - 2 ProFX sources (audio and midi), MX6 mixer and a k1t output.

thomasabarnes · Nov 28, 2005, 11:04 AM

Man you probably messed-up something. Try using the kX Default DSP and see if things work right for you. I've used SONAR since it came out as SONAR. SONAR has no major issues like you describe. Check for user errors.

I would say go to the SONAR forum for help, but a lot of them hate SB cards and wil probably tell you to get another sound card.

Like I said, use different soundfont devices in the MIDI channel drop down list of the track (for example, Sondfont device 1,2,3,4,etc).

What you say is happening to you has happened to me, and unloading soundfonts that were loaded via kX Soundfont applet fixed it, as I loaded all sondfont via SONAR's Option/Sondfonts, and changed soundfont devices in the track. Also when you load a soundfont go down toward bank 11 and higher for testing.

If you dont want to try what I'm telling you about not loading .sf2's via kX Soundfont applet, all else I can say is use RGC Audio's free sfz soundfont player. And stop the whining.

hehe

vladimir_a · Nov 28, 2005, 11:48 AM

I came to a conclusion that the soundfonts I was trying to use (2 bass ones, downloaded from Hammersound) are just broken. Sonic Implants work fine, but I just don't like them.

Maybe I should try to switch to Cubase and VSTi, but it needs learning somewhat...

Maddogg6 · Nov 28, 2005, 08:33 PM

re-edit the sound font - maybe it will fix it just re-saving as a new file.

Nov 27, 2005, 01:59 PM	#1
vladimir_a DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 4 Rep Power: 0	Sonar 4.0.3 & kX 3757: soundfonds not playing Hi there. I have a very disappointing problem. With kX 3757 driver, SB Live! 5.1 soundcard and Sonar 4.0.3 Producer Edition, I can't get my miditracks to play with any soundfonts other than general midi. When I open my midi file and load, for example, a General User soundfont (in kX mixer), everything plays great. But when I load another soundfont through Sonar options, e.g. Finger Bass, set appropriate channel, bank and patch in a corresponding track, it just produces no sound. Any ideas? Thanks in advance!

Nov 28, 2005, 02:55 AM	#2
thomasabarnes Long Time ***** Friend Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: USA Posts: 1,375 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Try this: if u have a GM soundfont loaded via the kX Soundfont applet, unload it (and all other soundfonts). Now, just load soundfonts via SONAR's Options/Soundfont. That should work. I dont know why it doesnt work when a GM soundfont is loaded via kX Soundfont applet. I think it may be that some GM soundfonts have instruments in more than just the Bank 0 position or something. Anyway, I found that things work OK when I unload the GM soundfont loaded via kX Soundfont applet. (Also, you may have to try selecting different Soundfont devices in the track's MIDI channel drop down list area). If you want to use a GM MIDI soundfont, you can load that via SONAR's Options/Soundfonts, too. You might wanna make a DSP setup that has no soundfonts loaded via kX Soundfont applet just for this purpose. __________________ May a song always touch you in a positive way. SONAR X1D Expanded, Windows 7 Pro 64Bit, MOTU UltraLite MK3, 150 GB HDD, 250 GB HDD, 1 TB x2 HDD 7200 rpm My Music Production: Top 40, Contemporary Christian, Pop/Rock, Decent Rap, Inspirationals, and Children Songs Last edited by thomasabarnes; Nov 28, 2005 at 03:01 AM.

Nov 28, 2005, 11:04 AM	#5
thomasabarnes Long Time ***** Friend Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: USA Posts: 1,375 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Man you probably messed-up something. Try using the kX Default DSP and see if things work right for you. I've used SONAR since it came out as SONAR. SONAR has no major issues like you describe. Check for user errors. I would say go to the SONAR forum for help, but a lot of them hate SB cards and wil probably tell you to get another sound card. Like I said, use different soundfont devices in the MIDI channel drop down list of the track (for example, Sondfont device 1,2,3,4,etc). What you say is happening to you has happened to me, and unloading soundfonts that were loaded via kX Soundfont applet fixed it, as I loaded all sondfont via SONAR's Option/Sondfonts, and changed soundfont devices in the track. Also when you load a soundfont go down toward bank 11 and higher for testing. If you dont want to try what I'm telling you about not loading .sf2's via kX Soundfont applet, all else I can say is use RGC Audio's free sfz soundfont player. And stop the whining. hehe __________________ May a song always touch you in a positive way. SONAR X1D Expanded, Windows 7 Pro 64Bit, MOTU UltraLite MK3, 150 GB HDD, 250 GB HDD, 1 TB x2 HDD 7200 rpm My Music Production: Top 40, Contemporary Christian, Pop/Rock, Decent Rap, Inspirationals, and Children Songs

Nov 28, 2005, 10:14 AM	Thread Starter #3
vladimir_a DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 4 Rep Power: 0	Thank you for the reply, but I tried just about everything and it didn't work. When I load my bass soundfont through the Sonar options alone, strange thing happens. When I set appropriate options to the bass track, it produces no sound. But the acoustic guitar starts to play with bass sound and thats totally unexpected (it doesn't have track options set). I can't figure out why is that acoustic steel guitar so special. Deleted all the patch changing instructions in all tracks that were genereted in my midi earlier, but still the acoustic guitar plays bass soundfont instead of the bass track. There were no such problem with Sonar 2 XL, but I can't even install it, because it requires DirectX 8.1 while I have 9c, and the DirectX installing stage cannot be skipped in the Sonar 2 XL installator.

Nov 28, 2005, 10:16 AM	Thread Starter #4
vladimir_a DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 4 Rep Power: 0	Forgot to say - as for the DSP setup, I have the simplest possible - 2 ProFX sources (audio and midi), MX6 mixer and a k1t output.

Nov 28, 2005, 11:48 AM	Thread Starter #6
vladimir_a DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 4 Rep Power: 0	I came to a conclusion that the soundfonts I was trying to use (2 bass ones, downloaded from Hammersound) are just broken. Sonic Implants work fine, but I just don't like them. Maybe I should try to switch to Cubase and VSTi, but it needs learning somewhat...

Nov 28, 2005, 08:33 PM	#7
Maddogg6 Tail Razer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bernyurass, AZ - USA Posts: 4,027 Rep Power: 0	re-edit the sound font - maybe it will fix it just re-saving as a new file.