MIDI drums DO work in 3538i !!!

Maddogg6 · Jan 14, 2006, 09:05 AM

Alright I just tested again after a re-boot

I run kxctrl command shw 21 0xa

start sonar - load midi - no drums - keep sonar open - run ghw 21 it returns 0
run shw 21 0xa

Drums work - run ghw 21 again - 0 - but drums still work.

So it seems somthing is changing this back to 0 on regular basis.

If I close Sonar - I have to do this again...

Maddogg6 · Jan 14, 2006, 09:11 AM

correction:
Running command BEFORE sonar will work ONLY after doing above once.

thomasabarnes · Jan 14, 2006, 09:21 AM

Why dont you just run the command from the Run box on the Start menu?

Russ · Jan 14, 2006, 10:31 AM

Well I ran into a problem with making it a per-device addon (it seems that load_settings is not called for per device addons?), so that is why it took longer than I had hoped.

I decided to just not save/load settings with this addon to get around that problem (and I guess it is not really necessry here).

You can download the addon (DrumFix) here or here.
To install, place the addon somewhere, and then double-click on it to register it. Then restart kxmixer.

Let me know how it works for you (and anyone that is using a multi-card setup, let me know if there are any issues with that).

-Russ

Maddogg6 · Jan 14, 2006, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomasabarnes

Why dont you just run the command from the Run box on the Start menu?

Actually - I ended up making a shortcut for the desktop - much faster...

Maddogg6 · Jan 14, 2006, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ

Well I ran into a problem with making it a per-device addon (it seems that load_settings is not called for per device addons?), so that is why it took longer than I had hoped.

I decided to just not save/load settings with this addon to get around that problem (and I guess it is not really necessry here).

You can download the addon (DrumFix) here or here.
To install, place the addon somewhere, and then double-click on it to register it. Then restart kxmixer.

Let me know how it works for you (and anyone that is using a multi-card setup, let me know if there are any issues with that).

-Russ

Im gonna say something to REALLY drive you Nuckin Futz...

- Can ya compile it for 3538h?

heh - its late....

Russ · Jan 14, 2006, 10:59 AM

lol

6:00 AM here...

thomasabarnes · Jan 14, 2006, 02:25 PM

Yeah Russ it works!!!!!

I restarted the PC and didnt have to use that command, and the MIDI drums still work!

Thanks for this fix! Thanks a bunch! Nice job, man!

Russ · Jan 14, 2006, 03:03 PM

lol, your still up too, eh...

Thanks again for testing it out and letting me know the result.

Maddogg6 · Jan 14, 2006, 05:35 PM

Sorry I didnt test last night / this morning - but cable company told me to go to bed (modem reset and lost connection - happens now and again)

Ok - I had tested a few times - rebooting - WHOO HOO RUSS YOU R D MAN!

Nice Job - not only did you figure out what was wrong - you supplied a working ELEGANT fix.

Works everytime too...

Previously - before your addon - I had to send kxctrl command on more occasion than just 1 time - didnt find a pattern tho - but definitly something was resetting back to NO DRUMS... so this seems to be keeping an eye on that param - then change it back to 0xA if changed or something...

BEERS! - er I mean CHEERS!

3538I is NOW my preferred version....

Russ · Jan 18, 2006, 06:49 PM

Thanks Maddogg6,

Do you notice any performance differences with 3538i?
I am not sure if it is from removing the Win98SE/ME stuff or what, but I definatley get better ASIO performance than I did with 3538h.

Maddogg6 · Jan 18, 2006, 07:53 PM

I havent done much recording since - just playing with midi - checking that part out, when Im not pokeing and proding poor 'dane'.
I wanst complaining about my ASIO performance - any improvemnts - well, we know what I say in those cases...

thomasabarnes · Jan 18, 2006, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ

Thanks Maddogg6,

Do you notice any performance differences with 3538i?
I am not sure if it is from removing the Win98SE/ME stuff or what, but I definatley get better ASIO performance than I did with 3538h.

I made this post in the 3538i is out thread when I noticed the performance difference with 3538i:

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomasabarnes

OK, I dont know what happened with my system, but I can get 4ms latency now using SONAR 5!! I can even get 2 ms but the cpu meter is kind of hi using that setting. I was sure I tried to use a lower latency with SONAR 4 when 3538i was 1st released. Gona go do some more tests, BBL.

EDIT:

Well it's confirmed. I can get stable performance at 4ms setting using 3538i and SONAR 4 or SONAR 5. I didnt try to change my 8ms latency setting since SONAR 4.0.2, so I think some improvement was made in the 4.0.3 update. Anyway, I can use 4 softsynths, 4 or more audio tracks, and 2 soundfont tracks in a project using 4ms latency and get stable performance in playback and recording using 3538i and SONAR 4 or 5!

That's an improvement from my 8ms latency setting, and I'm very pleased!

Eugene, youre such a great developer!

And, if I just use soundfonts, I can use the 2ms latency setting!

Eugene, youve made the "...as low as 2ms latency..." advertised for the Audigy a reality! LMAO That's great!!!

I dont know what happened to my system, but nothing has been upgraded except I got a DVD writer, so the performance increase is due to 3538i, the SONAR upgrades from 4.0.2 or both. Anyway it's a great experience for me!

Russ · Jan 18, 2006, 09:53 PM

It is good to know it is not my imagination, hehe.
But seriously, I noticed a big difference on this old beast.

I guess we are lucky that my SB022x card was not one of the one's mis-detected by 3538i, otherwise I would not have been able to use it (and it is a big improvement in many ways for my card (the whole issue with the rear channels, etc)), and would not have figured out the how to get the midi drums working.

thomasabarnes · Jan 18, 2006, 10:09 PM

Yeah Russ, it's a really good thing we have you here.

Russ · Jan 18, 2006, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomasabarnes

Yeah Russ, it's a really good thing we have you here.

Thanks,

I appreciated the help (as well as kX itself) I got when I first discovered the kX driver and this forum, so I am just trying to contribute in whatever ways I can. There are a lot of good people in this forum (including you guys), that will go out of there way to try and help people.

**Eugene Gavrilov** · Jan 19, 2006, 06:54 AM

yep, the problem was with hw parameter 21 being reset automatically to 0
is fixed in the forthcoming release

and, btw, I'm very glad you managed to try newer kx add-on stuff anyway

E.

Maddogg6 · Jan 20, 2006, 07:21 PM

Ok - bad news Russ - I JUST did a re-boot - loaded sonar - NO MIDI CH 10 DRUMS - checked the KX console - ghw 21 - it shows set to 0.

Ok - so Im thinking - why isnt a check mark next to the KX ADDON here - should there be one? - I had this problem before of the addon NOT showing a check mark??
I cant make that checkmark stick in the KX ADDON menu.

Re-init dsp - still 0; exit/restart KX mixer - still 0;

Something has changed?? I did add some sends in KX Router for MIDI Synths (FXBUSS 16/17/18/19 - for MIDI CC 16/17/18/19 sends.
But thats about it. - The synths still output to FXBuss 2/3. ??

It was working perfectly until then..

Is it possible - KX is changing where it looks for stored modules?

I rember registering a DSP plugin - then MOVED the KXL file that I dbl clicked to register - and lost the plugin - SO... is it possible - somethings reverted to the V1 of the addon that didnt work - how can I tell what V of the addon I have loaded.?

Russ · Jan 20, 2006, 07:31 PM

Ok, you are mis-understanding. You should NEVER read back the value using kxctrl. It will always read 0, and will also result in setting the drum channel back to 0. That is part of the bug. Use kxctrl only to set the value, and not to try and read it back.

As for the addon, it does not use a checkmark. It's only purpose is to set the drum channel to 10 at startup. There may still be occasions where you have to manually set the channel to 10, it cannot monitor it and auto-change it back, because reading the value has the effect of resetting it to 0.

I am not sure why it stopped working for you. You might try running the uninstall reg script, and re-installing it, if you think you might have moved the addon.

BTW: There is only one version of this addon.

Maddogg6 · Jan 20, 2006, 07:55 PM

Thats right I was confusing with the KX Launch addon...

Doh! - I reinit the DSP and it cleared out the soundfonts too- didnt realize this behaviour.
(making new profx-less dsp configs for 3538I now)

Sorry : I jumped to conclusions - not realizing checking that param = setting back to 0.

(hey whos this slut 'to conclusions' anyway - she really gets a LOT of action)

[*slaps self in face with flounder*]

Ill stop now...

Russ · Jan 20, 2006, 08:02 PM

lol

I wonder why re-intializing the DSP cleared out your soundfonts... It does not do that to me.
Did you maybe load a saved config that had no soundfonts loaded (that had the sf checkbox checked when it was saved)?

Maddogg6 · Jan 20, 2006, 09:10 PM

Well, now Im not sure what I did to clear that out...

What I did RIGHT AFTER installing I was load GM SF and save into default settings (all checked options). To test the CH10 midi drums...

This *should* keep a SF loaded at ALL times from that point on - as I made ALL new dsp configs for I - deleted all H setups.

?? Im confused - seems like 3538I has more 'weird' things I dont understand as of yet.

Ill keep testing....

Russ · Jan 20, 2006, 09:17 PM

A global reset will clear that out, as well as loading another config that happened to be saved with no soundfonts loaded. I actually am not sure what the default.kx config is used for, other than for you to load manually when you want to restore defaults, but I am not sure how that is different from any other saved config. As far as 3538i goes, it seems to me, to work the same as it did with previous kX versions.

Maddogg6 · Jan 20, 2006, 09:42 PM

Yeah - I only had 1 dsp config untill (which DID have a SF loaded) I started making new configs yesterday.

Maybe Sonar or cubase cleared it out... then KX 'temp saved' settings for next reboot to 'restore'. ??.. something definitly cleared it.

Russ · Jan 20, 2006, 09:45 PM

Yeah, that would be my guess.

Russ · Jan 21, 2006, 03:06 PM

BTW: Make sure you uninstall this addon (using the included .reg file) before installing any kX updates, as it should not be needed with newer kX versions, and it may cause problems if the addon API changes in newer kX versions.

Maddogg6 · Jan 21, 2006, 04:15 PM

Doesn't uninstalling KX remove the addon?

If not - OOOPS!

Refering to the quicklaunch hot-key addon I had in 3538h..

Russ · Jan 21, 2006, 04:22 PM

You do not always uninstall kX. i.e. upgrade installations.
There are different levels of uninstall that kX can do (I think only the full uninstall removes the reg keys).
Anything that removes the kX registry key will also remove the addon's registry entires.

Maddogg6 · Jan 21, 2006, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ

You do not always uninstall kX. i.e. upgrade installations.
There are different levels of uninstall that kX can do (I think only the full uninstall removes the reg keys).
Anything that removes the kX registry key will also remove the addon's registry entires.

I looked in the registery and seen it was removed - As I recall, un-installing H - asked if I wanted to remove registry keys - I answered yes.

Jan 14, 2006, 09:21 AM	#33
thomasabarnes Long Time ***** Friend Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: USA Posts: 1,375 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Why dont you just run the command from the Run box on the Start menu? __________________ May a song always touch you in a positive way. SONAR X1D Expanded, Windows 7 Pro 64Bit, MOTU UltraLite MK3, 150 GB HDD, 250 GB HDD, 1 TB x2 HDD 7200 rpm My Music Production: Top 40, Contemporary Christian, Pop/Rock, Decent Rap, Inspirationals, and Children Songs

Jan 14, 2006, 02:25 PM	#38
thomasabarnes Long Time ***** Friend Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: USA Posts: 1,375 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Yeah Russ it works!!!!! I restarted the PC and didnt have to use that command, and the MIDI drums still work! Thanks for this fix! Thanks a bunch! Nice job, man! __________________ May a song always touch you in a positive way. SONAR X1D Expanded, Windows 7 Pro 64Bit, MOTU UltraLite MK3, 150 GB HDD, 250 GB HDD, 1 TB x2 HDD 7200 rpm My Music Production: Top 40, Contemporary Christian, Pop/Rock, Decent Rap, Inspirationals, and Children Songs

Jan 18, 2006, 10:09 PM	#45
thomasabarnes Long Time ***** Friend Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: USA Posts: 1,375 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Yeah Russ, it's a really good thing we have you here. __________________ May a song always touch you in a positive way. SONAR X1D Expanded, Windows 7 Pro 64Bit, MOTU UltraLite MK3, 150 GB HDD, 250 GB HDD, 1 TB x2 HDD 7200 rpm My Music Production: Top 40, Contemporary Christian, Pop/Rock, Decent Rap, Inspirationals, and Children Songs

Jan 14, 2006, 09:05 AM	#31
Maddogg6 Tail Razer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bernyurass, AZ - USA Posts: 4,027 Rep Power: 0	Alright I just tested again after a re-boot I run kxctrl command shw 21 0xa start sonar - load midi - no drums - keep sonar open - run ghw 21 it returns 0 run shw 21 0xa Drums work - run ghw 21 again - 0 - but drums still work. So it seems somthing is changing this back to 0 on regular basis. If I close Sonar - I have to do this again...

Jan 14, 2006, 09:11 AM	#32
Maddogg6 Tail Razer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bernyurass, AZ - USA Posts: 4,027 Rep Power: 0	correction: Running command BEFORE sonar will work ONLY after doing above once.

Jan 14, 2006, 10:31 AM	Thread Starter #34
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,563 Rep Power: 62	Well I ran into a problem with making it a per-device addon (it seems that load_settings is not called for per device addons?), so that is why it took longer than I had hoped. I decided to just not save/load settings with this addon to get around that problem (and I guess it is not really necessry here). You can download the addon (DrumFix) here or here. To install, place the addon somewhere, and then double-click on it to register it. Then restart kxmixer. Let me know how it works for you (and anyone that is using a multi-card setup, let me know if there are any issues with that). -Russ

Jan 14, 2006, 10:59 AM	Thread Starter #37
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,563 Rep Power: 62	lol 6:00 AM here...

Jan 14, 2006, 03:03 PM	Thread Starter #39
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,563 Rep Power: 62	lol, your still up too, eh... Thanks again for testing it out and letting me know the result.

Jan 14, 2006, 05:35 PM	#40
Maddogg6 Tail Razer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bernyurass, AZ - USA Posts: 4,027 Rep Power: 0	Sorry I didnt test last night / this morning - but cable company told me to go to bed (modem reset and lost connection - happens now and again) Ok - I had tested a few times - rebooting - WHOO HOO RUSS YOU R D MAN! Nice Job - not only did you figure out what was wrong - you supplied a working ELEGANT fix. Works everytime too... Previously - before your addon - I had to send kxctrl command on more occasion than just 1 time - didnt find a pattern tho - but definitly something was resetting back to NO DRUMS... so this seems to be keeping an eye on that param - then change it back to 0xA if changed or something... BEERS! - er I mean CHEERS! 3538I is NOW my preferred version....

Jan 18, 2006, 06:49 PM	Thread Starter #41
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,563 Rep Power: 62	Thanks Maddogg6, Do you notice any performance differences with 3538i? I am not sure if it is from removing the Win98SE/ME stuff or what, but I definatley get better ASIO performance than I did with 3538h.

Jan 18, 2006, 07:53 PM	#42
Maddogg6 Tail Razer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bernyurass, AZ - USA Posts: 4,027 Rep Power: 0	I havent done much recording since - just playing with midi - checking that part out, when Im not pokeing and proding poor 'dane'. I wanst complaining about my ASIO performance - any improvemnts - well, we know what I say in those cases...

Jan 18, 2006, 09:53 PM	Thread Starter #44
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,563 Rep Power: 62	It is good to know it is not my imagination, hehe. But seriously, I noticed a big difference on this old beast. I guess we are lucky that my SB022x card was not one of the one's mis-detected by 3538i, otherwise I would not have been able to use it (and it is a big improvement in many ways for my card (the whole issue with the rear channels, etc)), and would not have figured out the how to get the midi drums working.

Jan 19, 2006, 06:54 AM	#47
Eugene Gavrilov kX Project Lead Programmer and Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,119 Rep Power: 75	yep, the problem was with hw parameter 21 being reset automatically to 0 is fixed in the forthcoming release and, btw, I'm very glad you managed to try newer kx add-on stuff anyway E.

Jan 20, 2006, 07:21 PM	#48
Maddogg6 Tail Razer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bernyurass, AZ - USA Posts: 4,027 Rep Power: 0	Ok - bad news Russ - I JUST did a re-boot - loaded sonar - NO MIDI CH 10 DRUMS - checked the KX console - ghw 21 - it shows set to 0. Ok - so Im thinking - why isnt a check mark next to the KX ADDON here - should there be one? - I had this problem before of the addon NOT showing a check mark?? I cant make that checkmark stick in the KX ADDON menu. Re-init dsp - still 0; exit/restart KX mixer - still 0; Something has changed?? I did add some sends in KX Router for MIDI Synths (FXBUSS 16/17/18/19 - for MIDI CC 16/17/18/19 sends. But thats about it. - The synths still output to FXBuss 2/3. ?? It was working perfectly until then.. Is it possible - KX is changing where it looks for stored modules? I rember registering a DSP plugin - then MOVED the KXL file that I dbl clicked to register - and lost the plugin - SO... is it possible - somethings reverted to the V1 of the addon that didnt work - how can I tell what V of the addon I have loaded.?

Jan 20, 2006, 07:31 PM	Thread Starter #49
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,563 Rep Power: 62	Ok, you are mis-understanding. You should NEVER read back the value using kxctrl. It will always read 0, and will also result in setting the drum channel back to 0. That is part of the bug. Use kxctrl only to set the value, and not to try and read it back. As for the addon, it does not use a checkmark. It's only purpose is to set the drum channel to 10 at startup. There may still be occasions where you have to manually set the channel to 10, it cannot monitor it and auto-change it back, because reading the value has the effect of resetting it to 0. I am not sure why it stopped working for you. You might try running the uninstall reg script, and re-installing it, if you think you might have moved the addon. BTW: There is only one version of this addon.

Jan 20, 2006, 07:55 PM	#50
Maddogg6 Tail Razer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bernyurass, AZ - USA Posts: 4,027 Rep Power: 0	Thats right I was confusing with the KX Launch addon... Doh! - I reinit the DSP and it cleared out the soundfonts too- didnt realize this behaviour. (making new profx-less dsp configs for 3538I now) Sorry : I jumped to conclusions - not realizing checking that param = setting back to 0. (hey whos this slut 'to conclusions' anyway - she really gets a LOT of action) [slaps self in face with flounder] Ill stop now...

Jan 20, 2006, 08:02 PM	Thread Starter #51
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,563 Rep Power: 62	lol I wonder why re-intializing the DSP cleared out your soundfonts... It does not do that to me. Did you maybe load a saved config that had no soundfonts loaded (that had the sf checkbox checked when it was saved)?

Jan 20, 2006, 09:10 PM	#52
Maddogg6 Tail Razer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bernyurass, AZ - USA Posts: 4,027 Rep Power: 0	Well, now Im not sure what I did to clear that out... What I did RIGHT AFTER installing I was load GM SF and save into default settings (all checked options). To test the CH10 midi drums... This should keep a SF loaded at ALL times from that point on - as I made ALL new dsp configs for I - deleted all H setups. ?? Im confused - seems like 3538I has more 'weird' things I dont understand as of yet. Ill keep testing....

Jan 20, 2006, 09:17 PM	Thread Starter #53
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,563 Rep Power: 62	A global reset will clear that out, as well as loading another config that happened to be saved with no soundfonts loaded. I actually am not sure what the default.kx config is used for, other than for you to load manually when you want to restore defaults, but I am not sure how that is different from any other saved config. As far as 3538i goes, it seems to me, to work the same as it did with previous kX versions.

Jan 20, 2006, 09:42 PM	#54
Maddogg6 Tail Razer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bernyurass, AZ - USA Posts: 4,027 Rep Power: 0	Yeah - I only had 1 dsp config untill (which DID have a SF loaded) I started making new configs yesterday. Maybe Sonar or cubase cleared it out... then KX 'temp saved' settings for next reboot to 'restore'. ??.. something definitly cleared it.

Jan 20, 2006, 09:45 PM	Thread Starter #55
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,563 Rep Power: 62	Yeah, that would be my guess.

Jan 21, 2006, 03:06 PM	Thread Starter #56
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,563 Rep Power: 62	BTW: Make sure you uninstall this addon (using the included .reg file) before installing any kX updates, as it should not be needed with newer kX versions, and it may cause problems if the addon API changes in newer kX versions.

Jan 21, 2006, 04:15 PM	#57
Maddogg6 Tail Razer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bernyurass, AZ - USA Posts: 4,027 Rep Power: 0	Doesn't uninstalling KX remove the addon? If not - OOOPS! Refering to the quicklaunch hot-key addon I had in 3538h..

Jan 21, 2006, 04:22 PM	Thread Starter #58
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,563 Rep Power: 62	You do not always uninstall kX. i.e. upgrade installations. There are different levels of uninstall that kX can do (I think only the full uninstall removes the reg keys). Anything that removes the kX registry key will also remove the addon's registry entires.