Will EAX ever be supported?

ThePlague · Feb 14, 2006, 07:50 PM

I´ve tried the drivers and I got really excited with the sound quality and easiness of customization, however it is outrageous that such masterpiece of project still doesn´t have support for a highly accepted sound standard that EAX is (or whatever the definition). Every day more and more games support EAX and we could even say that these games are selling creative cards because of so much propaganda from the game makers. without being rude my point is: will EAX ever be supported? by researching on the web I was able to find the following quote:

[color=DarkRed]"[/color][color=Yellow][color=DarkRed]But unfortunately they do not support EAX due to cl's licensing politics."[/color]
[color=Black]http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=929

[color=White][color=Black]by further researching I came to find this site: http://www.openal.org/[/color]

[/color][/color][/color][color=Yellow][color=Black]Quote from openal.org:

[/color] [color=DarkRed] "November 4, 2005 -- An EAX 5 SDK is now available from Creative, allowing OpenAL developers to use the latest version of EAX in their OpenAL applications. More information can be found on developer.creative.com. (Note -- this SDK is only available to registered Creative developers.)"[/color]

[color=Black]Correct me if I am wrong, this means that registered developers have access to the EAX SDK in order to implement on this fast growing opensource Linux Audio Driver. If so, can´t someone take a peek at this opensource code and "leech" some ideas to improve KX?

thanks a lot
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**dj_stick** · Feb 14, 2006, 08:04 PM

the SDK is so that game devs can use EAX in games, i doubt it would have any relevance to the reverb engine in use, or the preset values which are required to support eax

Maddogg6 · Feb 14, 2006, 08:50 PM

Additionally -An SDK is different from SOURCE CODE.

SDK = Software Development Kit
So - its just a means for developers to INTERFACE with their proprietary code.

ThePlague · Feb 14, 2006, 10:39 PM

hell, look what I found:

Quote:

EAX: Now I know this is the bugbear for the majority of users. In theory the licencing surrounding direct3d allows for a EAX/EAX2 implementation.... however Creative have never been totally open for the API and even their drivers as trouble with EAX settings at times. With every driver this is something that NV are trying to improve but remember due to the nature of EAX (ie it is still Creative's propriety API) new games are likely to have initial problems until NV can implement a bug fix.

taken from:
http://www.nforcershq.com/forum/view...p?t=23721%20Q3

Maddogg6 · Feb 14, 2006, 11:13 PM

That just sounds like - complaints about EAX on NV hardware - are passed on as CL problem..??

It still is stating that the 'EAX API is propritary' and I can only assume NV has paid for licensing to use it/support it. Something KX developers will NOT likely do.

Tril · Feb 14, 2006, 11:17 PM

Are there soundcards that are not from Creative that support EAX? If so, how did the drivers programmers achieved this?

Maddogg6 · Feb 14, 2006, 11:36 PM

Looks like through Direct Sound.. ?? no?

I *thought* I read somewhere that X-BOX was using NVidea hardware for both Video and Sound. And in other place seen that X-BOX supported EAX (at some level) for ease of game porting/programming.
?? I figured anyone with enough $$ could license to use EAX. And, I dont think the lack of EAX support in KX is 'technical' - but more 'license costs' to do so.

But you sir - know how little I know about programming.

**dj_stick** · Feb 15, 2006, 08:38 AM

Some non-CL soundcards, support eax upto eax2, but that's based on the sensaura take on eax, created and licensed before CL bought them out.
iirc that includes nVidia

Feb 14, 2006, 07:50 PM	#1
ThePlague DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 5 Rep Power: 0	Will EAX ever be supported? I´ve tried the drivers and I got really excited with the sound quality and easiness of customization, however it is outrageous that such masterpiece of project still doesn´t have support for a highly accepted sound standard that EAX is (or whatever the definition). Every day more and more games support EAX and we could even say that these games are selling creative cards because of so much propaganda from the game makers. without being rude my point is: will EAX ever be supported? by researching on the web I was able to find the following quote: [color=DarkRed]"[/color][color=Yellow][color=DarkRed]But unfortunately they do not support EAX due to cl's licensing politics."[/color] [color=Black]http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=929 [color=White][color=Black]by further researching I came to find this site: http://www.openal.org/[/color] [/color][/color][/color][color=Yellow][color=Black]Quote from openal.org: [/color] [color=DarkRed] "November 4, 2005 -- An EAX 5 SDK is now available from Creative, allowing OpenAL developers to use the latest version of EAX in their OpenAL applications. More information can be found on developer.creative.com. (Note -- this SDK is only available to registered Creative developers.)"[/color] [color=Black]Correct me if I am wrong, this means that registered developers have access to the EAX SDK in order to implement on this fast growing opensource Linux Audio Driver. If so, can´t someone take a peek at this opensource code and "leech" some ideas to improve KX? thanks a lot [/color] [/color]

Feb 14, 2006, 08:50 PM	#3
Maddogg6 Tail Razer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bernyurass, AZ - USA Posts: 4,027 Rep Power: 0	Additionally -An SDK is different from SOURCE CODE. SDK = Software Development Kit So - its just a means for developers to INTERFACE with their proprietary code.

Feb 14, 2006, 11:13 PM	#5
Maddogg6 Tail Razer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bernyurass, AZ - USA Posts: 4,027 Rep Power: 0	That just sounds like - complaints about EAX on NV hardware - are passed on as CL problem..?? It still is stating that the 'EAX API is propritary' and I can only assume NV has paid for licensing to use it/support it. Something KX developers will NOT likely do.

Feb 14, 2006, 11:17 PM	#6
Tril S-3D enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,676 Rep Power: 64 System Specs	Are there soundcards that are not from Creative that support EAX? If so, how did the drivers programmers achieved this?

Feb 14, 2006, 11:36 PM	#7
Maddogg6 Tail Razer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bernyurass, AZ - USA Posts: 4,027 Rep Power: 0	Looks like through Direct Sound.. ?? no? I thought I read somewhere that X-BOX was using NVidea hardware for both Video and Sound. And in other place seen that X-BOX supported EAX (at some level) for ease of game porting/programming. ?? I figured anyone with enough $$ could license to use EAX. And, I dont think the lack of EAX support in KX is 'technical' - but more 'license costs' to do so. But you sir - know how little I know about programming.