No One saw Intel Pwning?

SSXeon · Mar 8, 2006, 04:00 AM

http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/...spx?i=2713&p=3

Sandok · Mar 8, 2006, 05:51 AM

Woah.... Now that's something you only saw with the Pentium M

Al_Vampyre · Mar 8, 2006, 10:01 AM

Too little too late, I just upgraded so if Intel want my business again they need to be still ahead in a couple of years time. Just bought my first AMD chip ever - Opteron 165

Lowfat · Mar 8, 2006, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandok

Woah.... Now that's something you only saw with the Pentium M

Even better than the M. Its like a more refined dual core M @ a much higher FSB.

Conroe will rule. That isn't even with their Extreme Edition which will likely be 3.33GHz, 333FSB unlike the one tested which has a 267FSB.

Sandok · Mar 8, 2006, 12:44 PM

Hmmm and if it runs on low power without much heat, hell my next PC is ready

Lowfat · Mar 8, 2006, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandok

Hmmm and if it runs on low power without much heat, hell my next PC is ready

40% less power consumption than the current 955XE CPU does according to Intel's slideshow.

Sandok · Mar 8, 2006, 01:05 PM

Hehehe wow now THAT's impressive...

~~Alien1~~ · Mar 8, 2006, 01:12 PM

If these is true maybe my next PC will be Intel-based again

Now the only thing remaining to see about AMD is their newer AM2 based sollutions
but i still think Intel with Conroe will be in general the winner in what is about performance\heat these time

Also Intel is planning to release QUAD CORE sollutions in early 2007
i wonder what AMD is planning at that time ?

Too many new generation proccessors are coming

Anyway it's nice to see Intel coming back with some really good sollutions these time

No_Style · Mar 8, 2006, 01:52 PM

I'm very pleased at the results. It's wonderful to see Intel strike back with such promising results. I posted the original article in the "Submit News", but it hasn't moved from there yet. Oh well. 2H of 2006 looks nice for Intel. Like I've said, if they keep the target power consumption and thermal output (sprinkle a little bit of adequate pricing) Intel will do wonderfully.

AMD Socket AM2? It already fell my interest radar.

Judas · Mar 8, 2006, 03:00 PM

we shall see....

Necrosis · Mar 8, 2006, 05:34 PM

Intel supplied demos...ah I'll reserve my judgement. However, if Intel sticks with one socket, and prices these new cores well....

Sandok · Mar 8, 2006, 05:43 PM

True intel gave the systems but apparently nobody found any foulplay...

Vikingod · Mar 8, 2006, 05:50 PM

Maybe a bit overblown, but good none the less. I am very anxious to see what AMD has to offer, I think it's safe to bet they won't take this lying down. Those numbers are great though, and I wouldn't mind owning one, if the price is right. It's nice to see true innovation and progress in the field of CPU's again, especially from intel. They needed it, and the consumer's needed it. I can honestly say, I didn't expect my next system to be an intel one, but if this is any indication, I will be very happy if it goes that way.

Necrosis · Mar 8, 2006, 05:52 PM

Did they break down the code for the demos? No...I'm not saying there is foul play here. I just prefer benching /w third party software.

SSXeon · Mar 8, 2006, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Necrosis

Did they break down the code for the demos? No...I'm not saying there is foul play here. I just prefer benching /w third party software.

The Fear demo wasnt made by intel, pretty much everything else was. They arent as sneaky as Nvidia, so id say its fairplay.

Necrosis · Mar 8, 2006, 09:09 PM

Hmm still it's Intel doing the system setup. I'm sorry but I just find it hard to believe. If it was DH or even Anandtech with a system built from scratch I would not question the results. I've just learned over the years not to believe the hype until it can be proven by other than some one not making money off it.

No_Style · Mar 8, 2006, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Necrosis

Hmm still it's Intel doing the system setup. I'm sorry but I just find it hard to believe. If it was DH or even Anandtech with a system built from scratch I would not question the results. I've just learned over the years not to believe the hype until it can be proven by other than some one not making money off it.

If there were "optimizations" being used, I hope Intel shares them with the public.

I'm optimistic about this new processor. I honestly believed that Intel needed to go with the onboard memory controller to bridge the gap between themselves and AMD. I was sorely wrong!

(I still want them to incorporate one though, but only if they can stick to 1 socket unlike AMD...)

BTW, Hexus.net has some similar benches as well.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Mar 9, 2006, 04:37 AM

Also keep in mind AMD will have somthing to counter, not to mention the X2 is faster
in some of those tests. Look at the encodeing tests..... Also socket M2 will Bring DDR2
support wich will in the end mean gains for AMD. Intels already useing DDR2.

Good to see intel finally improveing though, AMD is been the premuim processor
preferd by most gamers since like k6/2 and the 1st slot thunderbirds.

If you guys are looking for anything to poke at intels got a meant to be played
optuized for intel CPUs thing going on.

I'm going to be skeptical untill the reviews come out.... I'd be looking at the price $$$
and the power and heat...

Just Learnin' · Mar 9, 2006, 06:39 AM

Some thoughts from VoodooPC's Rahul Sood: http://voodoopc.blogspot.com/2006/03...e-machine.html

Hmmmm....

Sargentwhitey · Mar 9, 2006, 07:23 AM

I with Judas, I'll wait to see what happens.

mkk · Mar 9, 2006, 08:34 AM

Intel has worked hard for some time to divert attention from their existing product line. With that said it's nice to finally see any kind of numbers indicating that they will indeed be able to compete in 2007.

No_Style · Mar 9, 2006, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Learnin'

Some thoughts from VoodooPC's Rahul Sood: http://voodoopc.blogspot.com/2006/03...e-machine.html

Hmmmm....

AnandTech updated their benchmarks which addressed issues Mr. Sood brought up..

Zardon · Mar 9, 2006, 10:30 PM

i think the figures are great. however I really do have issues with sites posting benchmarks ran on equipment SET UP by a particular company in a specifically controlled environment. This is not how you run articles, reviews or anything based on fact to be presented to the public.

Right now im filing this under the "interesting and possibly impressive" drawer ...

No_Style · Mar 9, 2006, 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zardon

i think the figures are great. however I really do have issues with sites posting benchmarks ran on equipment SET UP by a particular company in a specifically controlled environment. This is not how you run articles, reviews or anything based on fact to be presented to the public.

Right now im filing this under the "interesting and possibly impressive" drawer ...

I think it gives us a good preview (which is what AnandTech and Hexus have labeled their articles as; previews) into what we should be expecting. The only people who should be worried is Intel who will lose credibility if the end product is way off compared to what we have seen.

Zardon · Mar 9, 2006, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by No_Style

I think it gives us a good preview (which is what AnandTech and Hexus have labeled their articles as; previews) into what we should be expecting. The only people who should be worried is Intel who will lose credibility if the end product is way off compared to what we have seen.

I dont even think its a good preview to be perfectly honest and I would turn it down if it was offered to us (and yes companies have in the past offered the same), the only way I would publish figures like this on DH is if we received all the hardware and built it from scratch ourselves and ran the tests ourselves. You simply cannot run benchmarks or gain figures in a "company" controlled environment.

I find this almost as bad as the hardware analysis scenario of allowing an AIB to run "benchmarks" then report the findings down the phone or via email. you have no control over the build, the software, the setup, any optimisations and are basically just jotting down what the company have set up. You are actually much wiser just publishing press releases via email.

Asmoday · Mar 9, 2006, 11:03 PM

It does look promising indeed, but as pointed out it is only a preview and not tested "on the site" so to speak. I'll hold off the excitement until I see some "real" figures...

No_Style · Mar 9, 2006, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Zardon

I dont even think its a good preview to be perfectly honest and I would turn it down if it was offered to us (and yes companies have in the past offered the same), the only way I would run figures like this on DH is if we received all the hardware and built it from scratch ourselves and ran the tests ourselves. You simply cannot run benchmarks or gain figures in a "company" controlled environment.

I understand you cannot take these numbers and label them as 100% fact and no one has stated that. If I was offered that opportunity to share with the public some numbers, I would take it. Provided, I am allowed to make it clear that these numbers are not 100% my own and basically openly state that they were on pre-built rigs. As long as you give that disclaimer, I will give you credit for providing us with this preview. (Which is what Hexus and AnandTech have done.)

And like I said before, AnandTech and Hexus, should not (and would not) get burned if 6 months from now we find out that the performance numbers seen in March were greatly exaggerated. Why? Because of that disclaimer.

Zardon · Mar 9, 2006, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by No_Style

I understand you cannot take these numbers and label them as 100% fact and no one has stated that. If I was offered that opportunity to share with the public some numbers, I would take it provided I am allowed to make it clear that these numbers are not 100% my own and basically openly state that they were on pre-built rigs. As long as you give that disclaimer, I will give you credit for providing us with this preview. (Which is what Hexus and AnandTech have done..

A preview should be a website testing hardware in their own environment - setup by a capable member of that website, hardware which isnt yet released. Hence "preview".

posting figures on hardware set up and configured by the company who make it, is a glorified press release. I hate the ramifications of this, and its happening more regularly.

Rasta Monsta · Mar 9, 2006, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Zardon

I dont even think its a good preview to be perfectly honest and I would turn it down if it was offered to us

I agree. I think you could state that "Intel have provided some benchmark numbers showing promise for their new core, and we certainly look forward to our own in-house testing."

It is news in a way, but it's also PR. . .a fine line indeed.

rasta

***Veridian3*** · Mar 9, 2006, 11:15 PM

I have to agree with Zardon on this, its all just a bit to PR'ish for my liking. Intel would have been as well to write the text themselves and send it out as an official release. Websites doing the above makes it look like they are validating results which they have no way of controling. (And thats a bad thing).

We regularly receive performance estimations from companies before launches and i always skip past them because there is no way to validate them... results from testing on your own terms are the only ones that should be published by any reputable site.

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Mar 8, 2006, 01:52 PM	#9
No_Style Styleless Wonder Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ottawa, Ontario Posts: 6,034 Rep Power: 0	I did I'm very pleased at the results. It's wonderful to see Intel strike back with such promising results. I posted the original article in the "Submit News", but it hasn't moved from there yet. Oh well. 2H of 2006 looks nice for Intel. Like I've said, if they keep the target power consumption and thermal output (sprinkle a little bit of adequate pricing) Intel will do wonderfully. AMD Socket AM2? It already fell my interest radar. __________________ "The Best Style Is No Style" Specifications Here

Mar 9, 2006, 04:37 AM	#18
The_Neon_Cowboy HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 16,009 Rep Power: 92 System Specs	Also keep in mind AMD will have somthing to counter, not to mention the X2 is faster in some of those tests. Look at the encodeing tests..... Also socket M2 will Bring DDR2 support wich will in the end mean gains for AMD. Intels already useing DDR2. Good to see intel finally improveing though, AMD is been the premuim processor preferd by most gamers since like k6/2 and the 1st slot thunderbirds. If you guys are looking for anything to poke at intels got a meant to be played optuized for intel CPUs thing going on. I'm going to be skeptical untill the reviews come out.... I'd be looking at the price $$$ and the power and heat... __________________

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Mar 8, 2006, 05:51 AM	#2
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	Woah.... Now that's something you only saw with the Pentium M

Mar 8, 2006, 12:44 PM	#5
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	Hmmm and if it runs on low power without much heat, hell my next PC is ready

Mar 8, 2006, 01:05 PM	#7
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	Hehehe wow now THAT's impressive...

Mar 8, 2006, 01:12 PM	#8
~~Alien1~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Europe Posts: 365 Rep Power: 0	If these is true maybe my next PC will be Intel-based again Now the only thing remaining to see about AMD is their newer AM2 based sollutions but i still think Intel with Conroe will be in general the winner in what is about performance\heat these time Also Intel is planning to release QUAD CORE sollutions in early 2007 i wonder what AMD is planning at that time ? Too many new generation proccessors are coming Anyway it's nice to see Intel coming back with some really good sollutions these time

Mar 8, 2006, 05:34 PM	#11
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	Intel supplied demos...ah I'll reserve my judgement. However, if Intel sticks with one socket, and prices these new cores well....

Mar 8, 2006, 05:43 PM	#12
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	True intel gave the systems but apparently nobody found any foulplay...

Mar 8, 2006, 05:50 PM	#13
Vikingod Int'l Fish Liaison Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: By the light of lamp I sit and type... Posts: 16,197 Rep Power: 112 System Specs	Maybe a bit overblown, but good none the less. I am very anxious to see what AMD has to offer, I think it's safe to bet they won't take this lying down. Those numbers are great though, and I wouldn't mind owning one, if the price is right. It's nice to see true innovation and progress in the field of CPU's again, especially from intel. They needed it, and the consumer's needed it. I can honestly say, I didn't expect my next system to be an intel one, but if this is any indication, I will be very happy if it goes that way.

Mar 8, 2006, 05:52 PM	#14
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	Did they break down the code for the demos? No...I'm not saying there is foul play here. I just prefer benching /w third party software.

Mar 8, 2006, 09:09 PM	#16
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	Hmm still it's Intel doing the system setup. I'm sorry but I just find it hard to believe. If it was DH or even Anandtech with a system built from scratch I would not question the results. I've just learned over the years not to believe the hype until it can be proven by other than some one not making money off it.

Mar 9, 2006, 06:39 AM	#19
Just Learnin' HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Posts: 1,414 Rep Power: 56 System Specs	Some thoughts from VoodooPC's Rahul Sood: http://voodoopc.blogspot.com/2006/03...e-machine.html Hmmmm....

Mar 9, 2006, 08:34 AM	#21
mkk Cthulhu/Dagon 2012 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Gefle, Sweden Posts: 4,490 Rep Power: 132 System Specs	Intel has worked hard for some time to divert attention from their existing product line. With that said it's nice to finally see any kind of numbers indicating that they will indeed be able to compete in 2007.

Mar 9, 2006, 10:30 PM	#23
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	i think the figures are great. however I really do have issues with sites posting benchmarks ran on equipment SET UP by a particular company in a specifically controlled environment. This is not how you run articles, reviews or anything based on fact to be presented to the public. Right now im filing this under the "interesting and possibly impressive" drawer ...

Mar 9, 2006, 11:03 PM	#26
Asmoday Demonic Join Date: May 2002 Location: In the cold, dark north... Posts: 5,198 Rep Power: 92 System Specs	It does look promising indeed, but as pointed out it is only a preview and not tested "on the site" so to speak. I'll hold off the excitement until I see some "real" figures... __________________ How You can help Hardwareheaven by using Digg

Mar 9, 2006, 11:15 PM	#30
*Veridian3* Administrator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Cloaked Posts: 5,027 Rep Power: 181	I have to agree with Zardon on this, its all just a bit to PR'ish for my liking. Intel would have been as well to write the text themselves and send it out as an official release. Websites doing the above makes it look like they are validating results which they have no way of controling. (And thats a bad thing). We regularly receive performance estimations from companies before launches and i always skip past them because there is no way to validate them... results from testing on your own terms are the only ones that should be published by any reputable site.