AGP Slot run its course?

WarGun · Jan 30, 2003, 07:01 PM

What you peeps think? with the new highend cards comming out, and faster hotter GPU,s... will mobo manufactuers have to find a better way to implement a sollution for this prob?

After all... how much of a heatsink can you hang off of the AGP slot without
blocking PCI slots, and then haveing to resort to leaf blowers to cool the GPU.

Your input

HsuGotaQ · Jan 30, 2003, 07:23 PM

Cooling will eventually need to be updated, but my take on this is that the problem with most manufacturers is that the cpu/vpus/gpus or complete systems are badly constructed. When comparing the ATI 9700 to the upcoming GeforceFX, you can see that it is possible to make a fast product, with a lower frequency (ATI) that emits less heat. Then again, if you compare AMD vs Intel, the Intel chip is a lot cooler, but is clocked higher and is slighly larger in size. I would personnaly like to see watercooling becoming slightly more mainstream than it is presently.

***craig5320*** · Jan 30, 2003, 10:18 PM

What do people know about the supposed *new* PCI slots, PCI *insertbuzzword* My lecturer was waffling bout how they're gonna replace AGP's etc... I've not heard anything about them tho? any of you guys?

ToshiroOC · Jan 30, 2003, 10:36 PM

Well, PCI-X was supposed to come along with Hypertransport with the new AMD mobos, but its going to be limited to server-only stuffs for the moment, as far as I can tell...

JavaFox · Jan 30, 2003, 11:02 PM

The problem with cooling isn't caused by the AGP slot itself, it's caused by the card. Now, I am not a fanboy by any stretch of the imagination (I have no preference between ATi and NVDA), but the GeForceFX seems to be to be a poor piece of engineering. NVDA is acting like 3DFX -- instead of making a GPU with finnesse or graphical elegance, they just made a brute force chip. This reminds me of the Voodoo 5500 and 6500 --

DriveEuro · Jan 31, 2003, 01:17 AM

Personally I think that they should start putting GPUs on top sides of the cards. Makes cooling easier and gives you more space to implement cooling options.

Matth · Jan 31, 2003, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DriveEuro
Personally I think that they should start putting GPUs on top sides of the cards. Makes cooling easier and gives you more space to implement cooling options.

YAY!

The AGP slot positioning would seem to favour that! - no idea why they never reversed it to start with.

At least the choice of a reversed or a non-reversed would be useful.

Kelsenellenelvian · Jan 31, 2003, 04:54 PM

Amen it would much easier to properly cool your card if all the parts were on top they should put ram on top also (I've added mini heat sinks to my ram and it gets tight cause the damn cards up-side down.

DriveEuro · Jan 31, 2003, 05:16 PM

Kel.........look at your sig.

~~craig588~~ · Feb 1, 2003, 01:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JavaFox
This reminds me of the Voodoo 5500 and 6500 --

Just a small correction but they never had a 6500 only a 6000, and if the 6000 had Tnl or programmable shaders it could be competitive with the geforce 4, but 3dfx went with a raw speed approch and gave it 4 GPUs and 128 megs or ram with a 1.2 gigapixel fill rate and nothing else feature wise whatsoever. I borrowed my friend's 3.06 p4 and the 6000 is still limited by the cpu because of the lack of hardware Tnl.

JavaFox · Feb 1, 2003, 02:01 AM

Oh, thanks for the correction, Craig. I knew I meant Voodoo 6000.

Anyway, in case you guys missed it, here it is, in all its ridiculous glory:

By the way, this card needs an AC Adapter.

DriveEuro · Feb 1, 2003, 04:53 AM

Java, what card is that? Voodoo 6000?

ToshiroOC · Feb 1, 2003, 05:06 AM

Yes DriveEuro, just like it says above the picture, its a Voodoo 6000 card..

~~craig588~~ · Feb 1, 2003, 01:47 PM

acctually it doesn't need an ac adapter, I have modded mine to run off the psu and it runs fine off my 350 watt. I think they were just being overly cautious in case people had very weak psu's.

WyreTheWolf · Feb 1, 2003, 11:09 PM

HERE HERE!

I am glad that I am not the only one that think that having the core of a video card UNDER the card seems retarded!

Which way does heat travel? Up or down? UP! INTO the PCB... now if the core was on the other side of the PCB... the heat would be able to travel straight off of the chip!

Also with the core being on the other side of the PCB, that would give more room to install slightly larger HSF due to the fact that the PCI slots/cards are no longer in the design scheme.

Makes perfect sence to me...

WarGun · Feb 2, 2003, 02:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JavaFox
Oh, thanks for the correction, Craig. I knew I meant Voodoo 6000.

Anyway, in case you guys missed it, here it is, in all its ridiculous glory:

By the way, this card needs an AC Adapter.

lol is that a PCI card? looks like one to me...i guess they had high hopes for the PCI slot at that time

Also what would be the GPU speed/speeds.. be on this card?

Now why didnt NV think of this lol...i wonder how loud this baby is

Vampyromaniac · Feb 2, 2003, 05:12 AM

No, looks like AGP to me WarGun

Yeah, I was wondering why they don't make the cards with chips on top for a long time too . . .
. . . then I just turned my tower upside-down

WarGun · Feb 2, 2003, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Vampyromaniac
then I just turned my tower upside-down

lol now thats funny

no i always though AGP cards had two slots where the connector is.

Anyway had a good laugh...later

Jan 30, 2003, 07:01 PM	#1
WarGun DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 249 Rep Power: 0	AGP Slot run its course? What you peeps think? with the new highend cards comming out, and faster hotter GPU,s... will mobo manufactuers have to find a better way to implement a sollution for this prob? After all... how much of a heatsink can you hang off of the AGP slot without blocking PCI slots, and then haveing to resort to leaf blowers to cool the GPU. Your input

Jan 30, 2003, 10:18 PM	#3
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Jan 30, 2003, 10:36 PM	#4
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	Well, PCI-X was supposed to come along with Hypertransport with the new AMD mobos, but its going to be limited to server-only stuffs for the moment, as far as I can tell... __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

Jan 31, 2003, 01:17 AM	#6
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Jan 30, 2003, 07:23 PM	#2
HsuGotaQ Hydrogenated Dumbass Join Date: May 2002 Location: Canuckland Posts: 755 Rep Power: 0	Cooling will eventually need to be updated, but my take on this is that the problem with most manufacturers is that the cpu/vpus/gpus or complete systems are badly constructed. When comparing the ATI 9700 to the upcoming GeforceFX, you can see that it is possible to make a fast product, with a lower frequency (ATI) that emits less heat. Then again, if you compare AMD vs Intel, the Intel chip is a lot cooler, but is clocked higher and is slighly larger in size. I would personnaly like to see watercooling becoming slightly more mainstream than it is presently.

Jan 30, 2003, 11:02 PM	#5
JavaFox E Pluribus Unum Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,203 Rep Power: 0	The problem with cooling isn't caused by the AGP slot itself, it's caused by the card. Now, I am not a fanboy by any stretch of the imagination (I have no preference between ATi and NVDA), but the GeForceFX seems to be to be a poor piece of engineering. NVDA is acting like 3DFX -- instead of making a GPU with finnesse or graphical elegance, they just made a brute force chip. This reminds me of the Voodoo 5500 and 6500 --

Jan 31, 2003, 05:16 PM	#9
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Feb 1, 2003, 02:01 AM	#11
JavaFox E Pluribus Unum Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,203 Rep Power: 0	Oh, thanks for the correction, Craig. I knew I meant Voodoo 6000. Anyway, in case you guys missed it, here it is, in all its ridiculous glory: By the way, this card needs an AC Adapter.

Feb 1, 2003, 04:53 AM	#12
DriveEuro HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Gurnee Illinois Posts: 4,677 Rep Power: 0	Java, what card is that? Voodoo 6000? __________________ [color=orange]ASUS P4P800 Deluxe [color=black]-[/color] 2.4C --> 3300mhz [color=black]-[/color] Mushkin PC3200 at 220 5-2-2-2 (cpu limited) [color=black]-[/color] BBAti 9800Pro at 430/375 [/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]01[/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]03[/color] 16001200 12801024

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~~craig588~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: In clothing Posts: 3,510 Rep Power: 0	acctually it doesn't need an ac adapter, I have modded mine to run off the psu and it runs fine off my 350 watt. I think they were just being overly cautious in case people had very weak psu's.

Feb 1, 2003, 11:09 PM	#15
WyreTheWolf Wolfish Bastard Join Date: May 2002 Location: Cave; Ozark Mountains Posts: 2,110 Rep Power: 0	HERE HERE! I am glad that I am not the only one that think that having the core of a video card UNDER the card seems retarded! Which way does heat travel? Up or down? UP! INTO the PCB... now if the core was on the other side of the PCB... the heat would be able to travel straight off of the chip! Also with the core being on the other side of the PCB, that would give more room to install slightly larger HSF due to the fact that the PCI slots/cards are no longer in the design scheme. Makes perfect sence to me...

Feb 2, 2003, 05:12 AM	#17
Vampyromaniac confutatis maledictis Join Date: May 2002 Location: somewhere dark Posts: 5,974 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	No, looks like AGP to me WarGun Yeah, I was wondering why they don't make the cards with chips on top for a long time too . . . . . . then I just turned my tower upside-down __________________ *Digitalis 3.3* Athlon 64 3000 // ASUS K8V SE Deluxe // 1024MB PC3200 (2-2-2-10 1T) ATI All-In-Wonder 9700 Pro // 20" Dell 2005FPW (DVI) M-Audio Revo 7.1 + Philips Acoustic Edge // Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 320/16 Western Digital WD3200KS + 120/8 Seagate 7200.7 NEC ND-3550A 16x DVD±RW + Lite-On 52x24x CD-RW Antec Sonata case // 480W Antec TruePower personal bests \|\| Aq'3: 46796 \| 3D'01: 20461 \| 3D'03: 6336 \| 3D'05: 2677 \| PC'04: 4605 \| PC'02: 7691,9092,1250