Intel Conroe

Neshi · Apr 13, 2006, 09:37 PM

Does anyone heard anything from this?
I heard it will be cheaper and quicker then de X2 from AMD.. is this a true story or a fake... will Conroe swipe the floor with the present P4's and AMD (X2) ?
see the link for more info...
http://techreport.com/etc/2006q1/conroe/index.x?pg=2
benchmark:
http://www.hothardware.com/viewartic...leid=794&cid=1

and i was thinking, if conroe is really cheaper then the current x2's... but with better performance.. would amd lower its prices to compete? or will they have some awsome new product releasing by the time Conroe comes out that will compete with Intels new processor

Lowfat · Apr 13, 2006, 09:52 PM

It will be a great processor, but its close to 4 months away still.

OldBuzzard · Apr 13, 2006, 11:44 PM

The TRUTH lays somewhere in between each side's fanboi rantings.

It won't be as good as Intel's propaganda says, and a nowhere near what the Intel Fanbois are jabbering about. Neither will it be as bad as the AMD fanbois are hoping it will be.

Actually I'm hoping that it's going to be a good processor that gives AMD a run for it's money. That way AMD will be forced to respond, and that can only be good for BOTH camps.

Now for me PERSONALLY, I don't care how good it is, I wouldn't touch it with someone else's 10' pole. I have some basic issues with Intel that go way beyond just 'whose processor is best', but that is another story.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Apr 14, 2006, 12:53 AM

probybly will bring intels perfone a little closer to amds, but at what price???

Necrosis · Apr 14, 2006, 02:14 AM

Cheaper than the X2's, especially if it's faster. YEAH FREAKING RIGHT!!! You know Intel if is beyond the par /w AMD they will charge out the ass for them.

Lowfat · Apr 14, 2006, 06:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldBuzzard

The TRUTH lays somewhere in between each side's fanboi rantings.

It won't be as good as Intel's propaganda says, and a nowhere near what the Intel Fanbois are jabbering about. Neither will it be as bad as the AMD fanbois are hoping it will be.

Actually I'm hoping that it's going to be a good processor that gives AMD a run for it's money. That way AMD will be forced to respond, and that can only be good for BOTH camps.

Now for me PERSONALLY, I don't care how good it is, I wouldn't touch it with someone else's 10' pole. I have some basic issues with Intel that go way beyond just 'whose processor is best', but that is another story.

wow you sure are one AMD 'fanboi'

here are a few threads about actual benchmarks in such (not done by intel) about conroe's and Merom (mobile conroe, S479)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=95021
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=95935

I'll see if i can dig up pricing somewhere, i know they are in that thread but its 40 pages to go through.

I am pretty sure the 2.4GHz with 1X2MB L2 is under $400US. The lowest mobile I believe which is 1.67GHz 2X1MB L2 will be ~$220. And the highest model 3.33GHz 333FSB $1050.

Neshi · Apr 14, 2006, 09:35 AM

anyway.. as said before, competition between AMD and Intel can only be a good thing for the customer..

Sandok · Apr 14, 2006, 09:43 AM

I am currently waiting axiously for a conroe DX10 GPU system

OmegaRED · Apr 14, 2006, 10:30 AM

I hope the Conroe rapes the X2 series so AMD lowers its prices and I can get an X2 4400 for a good deal

OldBuzzard · Apr 14, 2006, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lowfat

wow you sure are one AMD 'fanboi'

I'm not an AMD fanboi. I'm just VERY anti-Intel.

I dislike Intel for many reasons. Their business practices in general and the 'big brother' number on the early Pentiums just to name two. It's not always about peformance/price.

Now if a third player comes on the scene that offers the same or better performance as AMD then I'll gladly take a look at them.

Sandok · Apr 14, 2006, 01:58 PM

Buzzard, it's called marketing. That's the way the world spins, intel just knew what to do while AMD twiddled their thumbs and moaned.

M$ did that...

Intel did that...

NV did that...

The best in the business do that.

~sidewinder~ · Apr 15, 2006, 06:59 AM

here's conroe pricings from dailytech.

i'm into AMD but after seeing those benchmarks of conroe at anandtech and with this pricing... i can't help but get excited!..

Necrosis · Apr 15, 2006, 08:07 PM

I have a new name for this core. Conroe seem kinda weird, so I shall now call it Cornhole. Too bad you can't preorder one of these things.

Chanur · Apr 17, 2006, 02:29 AM

I guess no one gets around here!

Anandtech benchmarks of a 2.66ghz Conroe against a overclocked FX-60 @ 2.8ghz. http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2716

Unless Intel is trying to pull something, which is highly unlikely as the truth would come out and hit them pretty hard when it does, AMD will be back to second place for a fair while.

Something to keep in mind, a 2.66ghz Conroe is NOT a EE part. The Extreme Editions are reported to be either at or above 3.0ghz! So if a high end range Intel CPU is able to show a roughly 20% performance superiority over a overclocked FX-60 (The best AMD has to offer), I'm just waiting to see what a Conroe EE will do... And how far a lower end part will overclock!

Lowfat · Apr 17, 2006, 04:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chanur

I guess no one gets around here!

Anandtech benchmarks of a 2.66ghz Conroe against a overclocked FX-60 @ 2.8ghz. http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2716

Unless Intel is trying to pull something, which is highly unlikely as the truth would come out and hit them pretty hard when it does, AMD will be back to second place for a fair while.

Something to keep in mind, a 2.66ghz Conroe is NOT a EE part. The Extreme Editions are reported to be either at or above 3.0ghz! So if a high end range Intel CPU is able to show a roughly 20% performance superiority over a overclocked FX-60 (The best AMD has to offer), I'm just waiting to see what a Conroe EE will do... And how far a lower end part will overclock!

ya it got around here quite awhile ago, not very legitimate I believe.

Chanur · Apr 17, 2006, 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lowfat

ya it got around here quite awhile ago, not very legitimate I believe.

Okay then... why not? That link was for Anand's follow up article that tried to answer emails and such on the first Conroe benchmarks they published. I'd be interested in knowing why people don't believe it.

The way I see it... why would Intel purposely outstage AMD and leave them in the dust, just to release Conroe and have the truth come out that they'd tried to pull a fast one when every single reviewing site benchmarks the thing? If it turns out it was a hoax the damage to their rep would far outweigh any increase in profits they might or might not get from it, and I'd think it would hurt. They'd be sure to alienate quite a few of those hardware sites in the process, not to mention more than a few potential customers.

Sure Conroe is the proverbial rabbit pulled out of a hat for them to show off something that capable, but I think AMD had it coming as they made Intel sit up and take notice they had very real competition... Intel has vastly more resources than AMD at their disposal, I think Conroe is within the realm of reasonable expectation.

Sandok · Apr 17, 2006, 09:32 AM

Because they didn't build the system... Intel gave Anand the system and said, run these benchmarks which Anand did. The system wasn't put together by Anand and that is always fishy fishy fishy!

That's why most of us are still not THAT convinced with the conroe but once REAL benchies come, then we'll see

Chanur · Apr 17, 2006, 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandok

Because they didn't build the system... Intel gave Anand the system and said, run these benchmarks which Anand did. The system wasn't put together by Anand and that is always fishy fishy fishy!

That's why most of us are still not THAT convinced with the conroe but once REAL benchies come, then we'll see

Okay, I snuck my reply in before your post! But following from my 2nd post... what would they gain from "rigging" those rigs for them to win?

Looking over both Anand articles it seems they built the AMD machine very well, and I just don't see any concrete reasons yet for suspicion. Any margin of error would be a pretty small impact on such a performance lead.

And yes, I'm sure every hardware review website will publish retail Conroe benchmarks just about overnight as soon as they are released...

Sandok · Apr 17, 2006, 09:43 AM

The thing is for the AMD reviews, Anand for example (or DH or anyone) receives the CPU and a Mobo and they build a system with whatever programs and all they want.

For the conroe, they received a full package with the benchmarks already ready to go. I'm sorry that's not a unbiased way of benching.

Chanur · Apr 17, 2006, 11:34 AM

And that is very true. However Anand did use their own custom Quake4 timedemo in one of the benchmarks, and Conroe had a bigger performance lead on that than Intel's own Quake4 demo. Secondly, Andandtech didn't "receive" anything, as Intel gave them time alone with their prebuilt systems but didn't let them walk away with them to bench for very good reasons IMO.

Now I was about to point out a recent .Arstechnica article, but after some digging I found out that the "Core" architecture that Merom/Conroe/Woodcrest will be based off of has absolutely no relation to the Core Duo and Core Solo branding, which is far more akin to a Pentium M2. Oops...

I however still think that after looking at the Core Duo T2500 vs a AMD X2 3800+ and X2 4200+ on Anand benchmarks, and then reading the very very thorough revamp and complete redesign of the new Conroe design as broken down here, I think it's very possible for Intel to have pulled this off. http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/cpu/core.ars And also note where .Ars mention's the removal of two major "Pentium" design bottlenecks, that today's Prescott can clearly illustrate!

Sandok · Apr 17, 2006, 11:49 AM

I have no doubt that Intel pulled this off but as long as the system isn't built by the reviwers, I'll take it with a pinch of salt

Apr 13, 2006, 09:37 PM	#1
Neshi S.N.A.F.U. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Wellington, NZ Posts: 3,378 Rep Power: 177 System Specs	Intel Conroe Does anyone heard anything from this? I heard it will be cheaper and quicker then de X2 from AMD.. is this a true story or a fake... will Conroe swipe the floor with the present P4's and AMD (X2) ? see the link for more info... http://techreport.com/etc/2006q1/conroe/index.x?pg=2 benchmark: http://www.hothardware.com/viewartic...leid=794&cid=1 and i was thinking, if conroe is really cheaper then the current x2's... but with better performance.. would amd lower its prices to compete? or will they have some awsome new product releasing by the time Conroe comes out that will compete with Intels new processor __________________ If one does not attach himself to people and desire, never shall his heart be broken. But then, does he ever truly live? Life is just too damn short for if's and maybe's Last edited by Neshi; Apr 14, 2006 at 09:37 AM.

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OldBuzzard DH's oldest Geek Join Date: May 2003 Location: Oberlin, OH Posts: 2,783 Rep Power: 145 System Specs	The TRUTH lays somewhere in between each side's fanboi rantings. It won't be as good as Intel's propaganda says, and a nowhere near what the Intel Fanbois are jabbering about. Neither will it be as bad as the AMD fanbois are hoping it will be. Actually I'm hoping that it's going to be a good processor that gives AMD a run for it's money. That way AMD will be forced to respond, and that can only be good for BOTH camps. Now for me PERSONALLY, I don't care how good it is, I wouldn't touch it with someone else's 10' pole. I have some basic issues with Intel that go way beyond just 'whose processor is best', but that is another story. __________________ When looking for a reason as to why things go wrong, never rule out sheer STUPIDITY

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The_Neon_Cowboy HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 16,009 Rep Power: 92 System Specs	probybly will bring intels perfone a little closer to amds, but at what price??? __________________

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Neshi S.N.A.F.U. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Wellington, NZ Posts: 3,378 Rep Power: 177 System Specs	anyway.. as said before, competition between AMD and Intel can only be a good thing for the customer.. __________________ If one does not attach himself to people and desire, never shall his heart be broken. But then, does he ever truly live? Life is just too damn short for if's and maybe's Last edited by Neshi; Apr 14, 2006 at 09:53 AM.

Apr 14, 2006, 02:14 AM	#5
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	Cheaper than the X2's, especially if it's faster. YEAH FREAKING RIGHT!!! You know Intel if is beyond the par /w AMD they will charge out the ass for them.

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Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	I am currently waiting axiously for a conroe DX10 GPU system

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OmegaRED Relapsed Gamer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ottawa , Canada Posts: 5,688 Rep Power: 173 System Specs	I hope the Conroe rapes the X2 series so AMD lowers its prices and I can get an X2 4400 for a good deal __________________ E Penis Specs: <------------- See System Specs

Apr 14, 2006, 01:58 PM	#11
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	Buzzard, it's called marketing. That's the way the world spins, intel just knew what to do while AMD twiddled their thumbs and moaned. M$ did that... Intel did that... NV did that... The best in the business do that.

Apr 15, 2006, 06:59 AM	#12
~sidewinder~ DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NY Posts: 63 Rep Power: 0	here's conroe pricings from dailytech. i'm into AMD but after seeing those benchmarks of conroe at anandtech and with this pricing... i can't help but get excited!..

Apr 15, 2006, 08:07 PM	#13
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	I have a new name for this core. Conroe seem kinda weird, so I shall now call it Cornhole. Too bad you can't preorder one of these things.

Apr 17, 2006, 02:29 AM	#14
Chanur DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 66 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	I guess no one gets around here! Anandtech benchmarks of a 2.66ghz Conroe against a overclocked FX-60 @ 2.8ghz. http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2716 Unless Intel is trying to pull something, which is highly unlikely as the truth would come out and hit them pretty hard when it does, AMD will be back to second place for a fair while. Something to keep in mind, a 2.66ghz Conroe is NOT a EE part. The Extreme Editions are reported to be either at or above 3.0ghz! So if a high end range Intel CPU is able to show a roughly 20% performance superiority over a overclocked FX-60 (The best AMD has to offer), I'm just waiting to see what a Conroe EE will do... And how far a lower end part will overclock! Last edited by Chanur; Apr 17, 2006 at 02:43 AM.

Apr 17, 2006, 09:32 AM	#17
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	Because they didn't build the system... Intel gave Anand the system and said, run these benchmarks which Anand did. The system wasn't put together by Anand and that is always fishy fishy fishy! That's why most of us are still not THAT convinced with the conroe but once REAL benchies come, then we'll see

Apr 17, 2006, 09:43 AM	#19
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	The thing is for the AMD reviews, Anand for example (or DH or anyone) receives the CPU and a Mobo and they build a system with whatever programs and all they want. For the conroe, they received a full package with the benchmarks already ready to go. I'm sorry that's not a unbiased way of benching.

Apr 17, 2006, 11:34 AM	#20
Chanur DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 66 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	And that is very true. However Anand did use their own custom Quake4 timedemo in one of the benchmarks, and Conroe had a bigger performance lead on that than Intel's own Quake4 demo. Secondly, Andandtech didn't "receive" anything, as Intel gave them time alone with their prebuilt systems but didn't let them walk away with them to bench for very good reasons IMO. Now I was about to point out a recent .Arstechnica article, but after some digging I found out that the "Core" architecture that Merom/Conroe/Woodcrest will be based off of has absolutely no relation to the Core Duo and Core Solo branding, which is far more akin to a Pentium M2. Oops... I however still think that after looking at the Core Duo T2500 vs a AMD X2 3800+ and X2 4200+ on Anand benchmarks, and then reading the very very thorough revamp and complete redesign of the new Conroe design as broken down here, I think it's very possible for Intel to have pulled this off. http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/cpu/core.ars And also note where .Ars mention's the removal of two major "Pentium" design bottlenecks, that today's Prescott can clearly illustrate!

Apr 17, 2006, 11:49 AM	#21
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	I have no doubt that Intel pulled this off but as long as the system isn't built by the reviwers, I'll take it with a pinch of salt