LOTS Of Problems!

Richie-b · Jul 23, 2006, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jakg

been up for ~45 mins on LFS, cpu at 90%, gfx card at 73 degrees, running fine in SLi with 4 A and 8 AF, might overclock the graphics card once they are up for an hour, although i still wanna ditch em and get a 6800 or 7600, but i can live!

EDIT - all ive done is disable PEG link, thank you!!!!! have 20 cookies!

Great news - glad its all working.

Watch those temps on the cards if your going to o/c them, mine go through the roof, when i set them to ultra speeds they topped out at 90c and i chickened out then, but they run most games really well at stock speeds.

Jakg · Jul 24, 2006, 08:42 AM

so whats a "Safe" temp then? they used to go from 500/1000 to 560/1110 fine, but i didnt have the guts to push it much further, plus if i did i would need to oc the cpu to get much more out, which sounds quite complicated for me!

Oh and sorry for all the posts above, if you want ill edit them down into one

EDIT - well heres another quesion, should i overclock the ram?

EDIT - Mk 2 - yet more questions!

Looking at the specs in my sig, which is the bit that most need upgrading, RAM, GFX card or CPU?

BWX · Jul 24, 2006, 08:52 AM

never ran memtest huh?

Jakg · Jul 24, 2006, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BWX

never ran memtest huh?

yes i did, no errors

BWX · Jul 24, 2006, 09:03 AM

oh

Jakg · Jul 24, 2006, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by BWX

oh

yeah sorry, i did but i forgot to say, i let it do 3 complete tests and it didnt find anything

BWX · Jul 24, 2006, 09:06 AM

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Looking at the specs in my sig, which is the bit that most need upgrading, RAM, GFX card or CPU?

GFX card...

Jakg · Jul 24, 2006, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by BWX

GFX card...

right then, what is the best bet right now for £150-£170? thats about $300-$340, but everything in the uk costs a bit more!

BWX · Jul 24, 2006, 11:03 AM

7900GT or

355 $$ x1900XT Might as well get something like that.. 355 isn't much more than 340.. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102025

Be careful with Nvidia 7900 GT "OC" too, unless they are EVGA's new batch.. the "Reloaded" RoHS ones. Same with 7900GTX's and GTX OC versions.. (about 500 bucks though).. I just RMA's my old one and got a new version (in sig) and the new ones are solid.. but do not clock as high on the ram, but they don't flake out either.

That X1900XT looks like good deal..

Jakg · Jul 24, 2006, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by BWX

7900GT or

355 $$ x1900XT Might as well get something like that.. 355 isn't much more than 340.. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102025

Be careful with Nvidia 7900 GT "OC" too, unless they are EVGA's new batch.. the "Reloaded" RoHS ones. Same with 7900GTX's and GTX OC versions.. (about 500 bucks though).. I just RMA's my old one and got a new version (in sig) and the new ones are solid.. but do not clock as high on the ram, but they don't flake out either.

That X1900XT looks like good deal..

ouch, i really was aiming at £170 max, £160 preferably, plus should i go nVidia purely because i have an SLi mobo atm?

BWX · Jul 24, 2006, 11:44 AM

Thats cool... Make sure you get a reloaded 7900GT then.

http://www.evga.com/articles/317.asp

EVGA is announcing the following NEW SKUs to its 7900 Series of products.

7900 GTX Series

"New" Part Number -------- Existing Part Number
512-P2-N571-AR ------------512-P2-N570-AX
512-P2-N572-AR------------ 512-P2-N570-AX

7900 GT Series

"New" Part Number ------------ Existing Part Number
256-P2-N580-AR/BR---------- 256-P2-N560-AX/BX/DX
256-P2-N582-AR/BR---------- 256-P2-N562-AX/BX/DX
256-P2-N583-AR/BR---------- 256-P2-N563-AX/BX/DX
256-P2-N584-AR/BR---------- 256-P2-N564-AX/BX/DX/FX

EVGA has been working out the new SKUs to resolve the issues that some users are experiencing with artifacting during 3DMark06 and random games; we have been manufacturing new cards based on a new AVL list.

Here are the details on the new 7900 cards:

"New" AVL Memory (Approved Vendor List)
RoHS compliant
Test results are extremely positive

Keep in mine EVGA wasn't the only Nvidia card manufacturer having these problems. But they are doing the most (by far) to fix it.. If you can find a New SKU EVGA 7900GT get that.

EDIT- not sure if they even sell them over there though... you might have to research that.. or just get another brand that you can find over there- but make sure the company has a very good RMA service, as well as the retailer.

Jakg · Jul 24, 2006, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWX

Thats cool... Make sure you get a reloaded 7900GT then.

http://www.evga.com/articles/317.asp

EVGA is announcing the following NEW SKUs to its 7900 Series of products.

7900 GTX Series

"New" Part Number -------- Existing Part Number
512-P2-N571-AR ------------512-P2-N570-AX
512-P2-N572-AR------------ 512-P2-N570-AX

7900 GT Series

"New" Part Number ------------ Existing Part Number
256-P2-N580-AR/BR---------- 256-P2-N560-AX/BX/DX
256-P2-N582-AR/BR---------- 256-P2-N562-AX/BX/DX
256-P2-N583-AR/BR---------- 256-P2-N563-AX/BX/DX
256-P2-N584-AR/BR---------- 256-P2-N564-AX/BX/DX/FX

EVGA has been working out the new SKUs to resolve the issues that some users are experiencing with artifacting during 3DMark06 and random games; we have been manufacturing new cards based on a new AVL list.

Here are the details on the new 7900 cards:

"New" AVL Memory (Approved Vendor List)
RoHS compliant
Test results are extremely positive

Keep in mine EVGA wasn't the only Nvidia card manufacturer having these problems. But they are doing the most (by far) to fix it.. If you can find a New SKU EVGA 7900GT get that.

EDIT- not sure if they even sell them over there though... you might have to research that.. or just get another brand that you can find over there- but make sure the company has a very good RMA service, as well as the retailer.

i know they sell 7900GT's. but not sure of eVGA, ill check in a min, but i do know my dad has a 7800GTX, i would ask him to upgrade (ie pay part of the upgrade, then i might get it), but its a heatsink only model.

I just re-benchamarked my pc using 3D Mark 03, 05 & 06 and its 1.73x faster with the second card! and compared to my old pc (a radeon 9600 XT) its 6.05x faster!

Scores in sig

Jakg · Jul 24, 2006, 01:42 PM

[post deleted by Jakg]

when someone editsthe links, quoting the origninals was a bad idea!

Jakg · Jul 25, 2006, 10:50 AM

woo! now im back where i was with my ATi card (ie getting the right software, how i loved ATi Tray Tools!) i think ill try some 3rd party drivers like Z-Tweaked, but can anyone tell me about nTweaker? ut says it applies all the things the driver does, but without you having to install a new driver, it sounds good, but i thought id get some more opinions first

BTW - are you the same BWX as on LFSForum.net?

EDIT - GAH! same problems have returned

, very pissed, looking at a 7600 or a 7800, so i think i either need a new cpu (which leaves me going X2 or looking at old FX's) or oc'ing the hell outta my 4000, what do you think i shoudl do?

EDIT - just spoke to my dad, hes fine with me selling it on eBay so im on the hunt for a new gfx card!

BWX · Jul 25, 2006, 04:50 PM

Yeah that's me, LOL.. and on RSC too. (and BHMS).. :-)

Jakg · Jul 25, 2006, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BWX

Yeah that's me, LOL.. and on RSC too. (and BHMS).. :-)

it was the avatar and the 7900 that made me think it

Richie-b · Jul 25, 2006, 09:04 PM

Sorry to see you are still having problems with the sli setup.
If your on the hunt for a 7900gt, i've just seen some on overclockers.co.uk for £180-200. I think they have the evga cards that BWX mentioned in his post.

Jakg · Jul 29, 2006, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Richie-b

Sorry to see you are still having problems with the sli setup.
If your on the hunt for a 7900gt, i've just seen some on overclockers.co.uk for £180-200. I think they have the evga cards that BWX mentioned in his post.

yeah, i think im gonna wait for the 8xxx, the 8600 sounds good, but if it isnt, then the 7xxx's get cheaper!

Jakg · Aug 7, 2006, 03:36 PM

just when you thought this n00b had left you, oh no, my CPU is getting really hot (read, 45 degrees @ 5% overclock, 2520 Mhz), i do have another OEM AMD fan with heatpipes on it, but should i just go looking for another fan? i would like to get a Hyper 48, but its too expensive, and was looking for something around the £20 range, what do you recomend?

niceguyrichy · Aug 7, 2006, 03:54 PM

if you mean 45° under load then that sounds alright to me tbh

Idle temp, I might be with you on the new cooler front.

Jakg · Aug 7, 2006, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by niceguyrichy

if you mean 45° under load then that sounds alright to me tbh

Idle temp, I might be with you on the new cooler front.

well after 3 mins of 100% usage it went to that, 48 with 10% overclock, after that it finished vonverting the audio and i darent test it again, and is the fann running at 3k rpm ok?

Jakg · Aug 9, 2006, 09:22 PM

hmmm, put the oem fan from my dads X2 4400+ on (he has a Zalman Reserator, and i want one!), and it is running a bit cooler (but still hits 50 under full load with 10% overclock), as it looks to be a better bit of kit, but that just doesnt seem enough for me, and ive been looking at more fans, and wonder if any of you have any experience with the following:
Any of the Zalman Flower series (they look good, but the heat sink makes me think there geared towards noise as a pose to cooling)
Cooler Master Hyper 48
Cooler Master Aquagate Mini R 120 and 80
and also, could i trust a second hand reserator of eBay? if so, would it be worth buying a fan from Zalman to fit over the top of the resivour to cool it?

BWX · Aug 11, 2006, 04:30 AM

http://www.arctic-cooling.com/cpu2.php?idx=80&disc=

I was thinking about one of those. Of course my CPU runs so cool I think I could run it with no heatsink at all sometimes. Stock cooling for me is adequate.

Jakg · Aug 11, 2006, 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWX

http://www.arctic-cooling.com/cpu2.php?idx=80&disc=

I was thinking about one of those. Of course my CPU runs so cool I think I could run it with no heatsink at all sometimes. Stock cooling for me is adequate.

hmmm, thye sell them in the UK for £14, thank,i might get one!

BWX · Aug 11, 2006, 09:21 AM

It looks like a nice cooler to me.. I haven;t seen a LOT of benchmarks or reviews though.. maybe you want to look some up before buying it, but I bet it is a good cooler.

Jakg · Aug 24, 2006, 04:12 PM

hmmmmm, looks like at stock fequencies the cpu can cope, but i am still on the prowl, a pc magazine just reviewed the "Zalman Ultra Quiet CPU Cooler AM2" and said that it kept a 4600 X2 at 41 degrees c under full load, now i know that as that is AM2 it probably wouldn't fit, but i was thinking that perhaps there was a "normal" 939 version, and if so if anyone had any experience with it

Jakg · Sep 24, 2006, 09:16 PM

At LONG last it's fixed - what was the problem? dad never had the front case fand plugged in!

Jul 24, 2006, 08:42 AM	Thread Starter #32
Jakg DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: United States Of England-Land Posts: 74 Rep Power: 0	so whats a "Safe" temp then? they used to go from 500/1000 to 560/1110 fine, but i didnt have the guts to push it much further, plus if i did i would need to oc the cpu to get much more out, which sounds quite complicated for me! Oh and sorry for all the posts above, if you want ill edit them down into one EDIT - well heres another quesion, should i overclock the ram? EDIT - Mk 2 - yet more questions! Looking at the specs in my sig, which is the bit that most need upgrading, RAM, GFX card or CPU? __________________ AMD 64 4000+ (2807 MHz), Gainward 7950GT 256 Mb Golden Sample, 1 Gb Corsair Value Ram, 2x 80 Gb SATA's (4 partitions), Asus A8N SLi Premium, 580 W Hiper PSU, Coolermaster Wavemaster Case, Creative P380's, Iiyama ProLite E431S, Creative SB Live! 5.1, Logitech Momo Wheel, ACT Labs Pedals, Microsoft Wireless Multimedia Keyboard & Logitech MX-1000 Mouse Last edited by Jakg; Jul 24, 2006 at 08:49 AM.

Jul 24, 2006, 08:52 AM	#33
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,669 Rep Power: 110 System Specs	never ran memtest huh? __________________

Jul 24, 2006, 09:03 AM	#35
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,669 Rep Power: 110 System Specs	oh __________________

Jul 24, 2006, 11:03 AM	#39
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,669 Rep Power: 110 System Specs	7900GT or 355 $$ x1900XT Might as well get something like that.. 355 isn't much more than 340.. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102025 Be careful with Nvidia 7900 GT "OC" too, unless they are EVGA's new batch.. the "Reloaded" RoHS ones. Same with 7900GTX's and GTX OC versions.. (about 500 bucks though).. I just RMA's my old one and got a new version (in sig) and the new ones are solid.. but do not clock as high on the ram, but they don't flake out either. That X1900XT looks like good deal.. __________________

Jul 24, 2006, 11:44 AM	#41
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,669 Rep Power: 110 System Specs	Thats cool... Make sure you get a reloaded 7900GT then. http://www.evga.com/articles/317.asp EVGA is announcing the following NEW SKUs to its 7900 Series of products. 7900 GTX Series "New" Part Number -------- Existing Part Number 512-P2-N571-AR ------------512-P2-N570-AX 512-P2-N572-AR------------ 512-P2-N570-AX 7900 GT Series "New" Part Number ------------ Existing Part Number 256-P2-N580-AR/BR---------- 256-P2-N560-AX/BX/DX 256-P2-N582-AR/BR---------- 256-P2-N562-AX/BX/DX 256-P2-N583-AR/BR---------- 256-P2-N563-AX/BX/DX 256-P2-N584-AR/BR---------- 256-P2-N564-AX/BX/DX/FX EVGA has been working out the new SKUs to resolve the issues that some users are experiencing with artifacting during 3DMark06 and random games; we have been manufacturing new cards based on a new AVL list. Here are the details on the new 7900 cards: "New" AVL Memory (Approved Vendor List) RoHS compliant Test results are extremely positive Keep in mine EVGA wasn't the only Nvidia card manufacturer having these problems. But they are doing the most (by far) to fix it.. If you can find a New SKU EVGA 7900GT get that. EDIT- not sure if they even sell them over there though... you might have to research that.. or just get another brand that you can find over there- but make sure the company has a very good RMA service, as well as the retailer. __________________

Jul 24, 2006, 01:42 PM	Thread Starter #43
Jakg DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: United States Of England-Land Posts: 74 Rep Power: 0	[post deleted by Jakg] when someone editsthe links, quoting the origninals was a bad idea! __________________ AMD 64 4000+ (2807 MHz), Gainward 7950GT 256 Mb Golden Sample, 1 Gb Corsair Value Ram, 2x 80 Gb SATA's (4 partitions), Asus A8N SLi Premium, 580 W Hiper PSU, Coolermaster Wavemaster Case, Creative P380's, Iiyama ProLite E431S, Creative SB Live! 5.1, Logitech Momo Wheel, ACT Labs Pedals, Microsoft Wireless Multimedia Keyboard & Logitech MX-1000 Mouse Last edited by Jakg; Jul 24, 2006 at 06:32 PM.

Jul 25, 2006, 10:50 AM	Thread Starter #44
Jakg DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: United States Of England-Land Posts: 74 Rep Power: 0	woo! now im back where i was with my ATi card (ie getting the right software, how i loved ATi Tray Tools!) i think ill try some 3rd party drivers like Z-Tweaked, but can anyone tell me about nTweaker? ut says it applies all the things the driver does, but without you having to install a new driver, it sounds good, but i thought id get some more opinions first BTW - are you the same BWX as on LFSForum.net? EDIT - GAH! same problems have returned , very pissed, looking at a 7600 or a 7800, so i think i either need a new cpu (which leaves me going X2 or looking at old FX's) or oc'ing the hell outta my 4000, what do you think i shoudl do? EDIT - just spoke to my dad, hes fine with me selling it on eBay so im on the hunt for a new gfx card! __________________ AMD 64 4000+ (2807 MHz), Gainward 7950GT 256 Mb Golden Sample, 1 Gb Corsair Value Ram, 2x 80 Gb SATA's (4 partitions), Asus A8N SLi Premium, 580 W Hiper PSU, Coolermaster Wavemaster Case, Creative P380's, Iiyama ProLite E431S, Creative SB Live! 5.1, Logitech Momo Wheel, ACT Labs Pedals, Microsoft Wireless Multimedia Keyboard & Logitech MX-1000 Mouse Last edited by Jakg; Jul 25, 2006 at 01:52 PM.

Jul 25, 2006, 04:50 PM	#45
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,669 Rep Power: 110 System Specs	Yeah that's me, LOL.. and on RSC too. (and BHMS).. :-) __________________

Jul 25, 2006, 09:04 PM	#47
Richie-b In the corner Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: In the corner Posts: 106 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Sorry to see you are still having problems with the sli setup. If your on the hunt for a 7900gt, i've just seen some on overclockers.co.uk for £180-200. I think they have the evga cards that BWX mentioned in his post.

Aug 7, 2006, 03:36 PM	Thread Starter #49
Jakg DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: United States Of England-Land Posts: 74 Rep Power: 0	just when you thought this n00b had left you, oh no, my CPU is getting really hot (read, 45 degrees @ 5% overclock, 2520 Mhz), i do have another OEM AMD fan with heatpipes on it, but should i just go looking for another fan? i would like to get a Hyper 48, but its too expensive, and was looking for something around the £20 range, what do you recomend? __________________ AMD 64 4000+ (2807 MHz), Gainward 7950GT 256 Mb Golden Sample, 1 Gb Corsair Value Ram, 2x 80 Gb SATA's (4 partitions), Asus A8N SLi Premium, 580 W Hiper PSU, Coolermaster Wavemaster Case, Creative P380's, Iiyama ProLite E431S, Creative SB Live! 5.1, Logitech Momo Wheel, ACT Labs Pedals, Microsoft Wireless Multimedia Keyboard & Logitech MX-1000 Mouse

Aug 9, 2006, 09:22 PM	Thread Starter #52
Jakg DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: United States Of England-Land Posts: 74 Rep Power: 0	hmmm, put the oem fan from my dads X2 4400+ on (he has a Zalman Reserator, and i want one!), and it is running a bit cooler (but still hits 50 under full load with 10% overclock), as it looks to be a better bit of kit, but that just doesnt seem enough for me, and ive been looking at more fans, and wonder if any of you have any experience with the following: Any of the Zalman Flower series (they look good, but the heat sink makes me think there geared towards noise as a pose to cooling) Cooler Master Hyper 48 Cooler Master Aquagate Mini R 120 and 80 and also, could i trust a second hand reserator of eBay? if so, would it be worth buying a fan from Zalman to fit over the top of the resivour to cool it? __________________ AMD 64 4000+ (2807 MHz), Gainward 7950GT 256 Mb Golden Sample, 1 Gb Corsair Value Ram, 2x 80 Gb SATA's (4 partitions), Asus A8N SLi Premium, 580 W Hiper PSU, Coolermaster Wavemaster Case, Creative P380's, Iiyama ProLite E431S, Creative SB Live! 5.1, Logitech Momo Wheel, ACT Labs Pedals, Microsoft Wireless Multimedia Keyboard & Logitech MX-1000 Mouse

Aug 11, 2006, 04:30 AM	#53
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,669 Rep Power: 110 System Specs	http://www.arctic-cooling.com/cpu2.php?idx=80&disc= I was thinking about one of those. Of course my CPU runs so cool I think I could run it with no heatsink at all sometimes. Stock cooling for me is adequate. __________________

Aug 11, 2006, 09:21 AM	#55
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,669 Rep Power: 110 System Specs	It looks like a nice cooler to me.. I haven;t seen a LOT of benchmarks or reviews though.. maybe you want to look some up before buying it, but I bet it is a good cooler. __________________

Aug 24, 2006, 04:12 PM	Thread Starter #56
Jakg DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: United States Of England-Land Posts: 74 Rep Power: 0	hmmmmm, looks like at stock fequencies the cpu can cope, but i am still on the prowl, a pc magazine just reviewed the "Zalman Ultra Quiet CPU Cooler AM2" and said that it kept a 4600 X2 at 41 degrees c under full load, now i know that as that is AM2 it probably wouldn't fit, but i was thinking that perhaps there was a "normal" 939 version, and if so if anyone had any experience with it __________________ AMD 64 4000+ (2807 MHz), Gainward 7950GT 256 Mb Golden Sample, 1 Gb Corsair Value Ram, 2x 80 Gb SATA's (4 partitions), Asus A8N SLi Premium, 580 W Hiper PSU, Coolermaster Wavemaster Case, Creative P380's, Iiyama ProLite E431S, Creative SB Live! 5.1, Logitech Momo Wheel, ACT Labs Pedals, Microsoft Wireless Multimedia Keyboard & Logitech MX-1000 Mouse

Sep 24, 2006, 09:16 PM	Thread Starter #57
Jakg DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: United States Of England-Land Posts: 74 Rep Power: 0	At LONG last it's fixed - what was the problem? dad never had the front case fand plugged in! __________________ AMD 64 4000+ (2807 MHz), Gainward 7950GT 256 Mb Golden Sample, 1 Gb Corsair Value Ram, 2x 80 Gb SATA's (4 partitions), Asus A8N SLi Premium, 580 W Hiper PSU, Coolermaster Wavemaster Case, Creative P380's, Iiyama ProLite E431S, Creative SB Live! 5.1, Logitech Momo Wheel, ACT Labs Pedals, Microsoft Wireless Multimedia Keyboard & Logitech MX-1000 Mouse