new pc ?

dirtyp · Oct 8, 2006, 08:48 AM

Im looking for a cheap new barebones pc, for gaming and recording.
I found a celeron 2.93 mhz 533 fbs,
And a sempron 64 bit 3300 2.2 mhz ,
I cant find out what the fsb is on the amd.
both are around $115, board,pc,tower,power, etc
am i better off just waiting?

im currently using p3 1.7 mhz 768 ram 150 gb 256 mb video for games,
celeron 950 mhz 768 ram 120 gb 64 mb video for recording.

I plan on mix and matching parts, And buying a new 3d card.
I can also get firewire ports for 20 bucks should I get this?
I have pre mobile usb so its not needed now, But I coud get a firewire interface later.
__________________
does amd integrated bus actualy work like they claim? 1600 mhz
the processer said 200 x11 = 2200 so wouldnt the bus be 200 with 64 bit.

CDsDontBurn · Oct 8, 2006, 09:03 AM

first of all, welcome to Driverheaven

.

To answer your question, of the two systems you intend on purchasing, the celeron machine would be the better choice. however, because it is a celeron it won't perform as well as a pentium 4, pentium D, or the new intel core2 processors will. Although, seeing what you have now, that celeron would be a great upgrade

.

for the mix and match part you mentioned, about the only thing you'll be able to bring over will be just the hard drives and optical drives. anything else will have to stay in the old rig. if you can, go with something that supports PCI-E for the new gfx card format. firewire ports for audio recording are best not purchased. the best ones are the ones that already come on the motherboard. or so i've been told by some of my friends that do audio recording for their own music. it just gives them less problems, and it is also a faster data throughput because the data is not being bottlenecked by the PCI bus.

for the data bus part on the AMD, i believe the semprons are 1600Mhz bus. the 200x11 you mentioned would be the clock speed, 2.2Ghz that you mentioned at the very beginning of your post. i believe for the bus it is 200x4 = 400, then there's another multiplier of 4 after that, so it would be 400x4 = 1600. i don't know exactly how it works, but it's something like that.

Dyre Straits · Oct 9, 2006, 09:25 AM

CDs....can't you smell SPAM when it's right in front of your face? LOL

CDsDontBurn · Oct 9, 2006, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dyre Straits

CDs....can't you smell SPAM when it's right in front of your face? LOL

well, AFAIK, if it stays in the sig, it's ok. albeit, it is a bit blunt

**dj_stick** · Oct 9, 2006, 10:01 AM

links are allowed in signatures

i don't classify this as spam, please continue

Dyre Straits · Oct 9, 2006, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dj_stick

links are allowed in signatures

i don't classify this as spam, please continue

I may be wrong, but, the screenname "dirtyp" sure looks like it's connected to the links: dirtypockets

And, the user has only two posts...one in each thread.

I'd be very happy to be proven wrong.

dirtyp · Oct 9, 2006, 10:37 PM

it is a celeron d335, Sorry about that.
I seen benchmarks where the amd outpeforms p4 3.2,
But you think the intels better, might be it has a 533 bus.
Alot of people tell me about amd for gaming then I ask them about the bus or 64 bit and they have no answers. The price should be dropping on these soon anyways.

CDsDontBurn · Oct 9, 2006, 11:19 PM

the whole "it's 64bit so its better" line is old and incorrect. and well, at one point AMDs were better for gaming than intels were, but that was before the intel core2 was launched. but between a sempron and celeron, it's a close call really...

F1N3ST · Oct 10, 2006, 12:16 AM

Sempron is better. My Celeron D 335 Sucks balls. And in benchmarks the sempron wins.

dirtyp · Oct 10, 2006, 03:27 AM

dude your name is in your sig too.
your big ass dyre straits banner is bigger then my shit too.
i was just to lazy to type in dirtypocketsproductions as my screen name,
neither of my post has to do with my music.

PangingJr · Oct 10, 2006, 04:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dyre Straits

CDs....can't you smell SPAM when it's right in front of your face? LOL

Quote:

Originally Posted by dj_stick

links are allowed in signatures

i don't classify this as spam, please continue

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dyre Straits

I may be wrong, but, the screenname "dirtyp" sure looks like it's connected to the links: dirtypockets

And, the user has only two posts...one in each thread.

I'd be very happy to be proven wrong.

as a grown up person, and as a friend, as i'm. Dyre Straits you shouldn't jump to a conclusion on thing like these too fast, since he hasn't done anything that bad yet. okay i could be wrong (as always), so do you. however, you should handle thing like these with mods internally, PM mods or report the post will be much more better, you know that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirtyp

dude your name is in your sig too.
your big ass dyre straits banner is bigger then my shit too.
i was just to lazy to type in dirtypocketsproductions as my screen name,
neither of my post has to do with my music.

dirtyp, you're new here. we have many spam posts that the posters wants people to click on them links lately.
Dyre Straits is okay. you can forget about this. and continue, like dj_stick mentioned earlier.

Dyre Straits · Oct 10, 2006, 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PangingJr

as a grown up person, and as a friend, as i'm. Dyre Straits you shouldn't jump to a conclusion on thing like these too fast, since he hasn't done anything that bad yet. okay i could be wrong (as always), so do you. however, you should handle thing like these with mods internally, PM mods or report the post will be much more better, you know that.

dirtyp, you're new here. we have many spam posts that the posters wants people to click on them links lately.
Dyre Straits is okay. you can forget about this. and continue, like dj_stick mentioned earlier.

I actually did PM some MODs about it.

AND, BTW, my SIGNATURE very well meets the rules here.

PangingJr · Oct 10, 2006, 11:43 AM

okay.

Dyre Straits · Oct 10, 2006, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PangingJr

oh okay that makes me curious as to why you think you should made a comment like that then? because the mod who you've talked to in the PM didn't care to take any action or something?
and the PM was sent before or after you made this first comment... "CDs....can't you smell SPAM when it's right in front of your face? LOL"?

I sent the PMs prior to this...and waited for some time before I made the comment to CDs.

Only some time later did a MOD respond.

Still, regardless of the method and time factor, the original post STILL had a strong appearance of Spamming.

So....if this can clear the air: I do apologize if I jumped the gun on this one. However, I did follow procedures that have been in affect for some time.

PangingJr · Oct 10, 2006, 12:58 PM

i removed my above post. you can remove yours if you want to.
i don't know if i should remove my post or not, just removed it.
i feel i already know what i like to know from you.

CDsDontBurn · Oct 10, 2006, 01:03 PM

k, c'mon now guys. just let this go. the issue at hand has already been cleared up by staff. let's just continue on w/the question of the original post. i've already put in my 2 cents, so who's next?

PangingJr · Oct 10, 2006, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDsDontBurn

k, c'mon now guys. just let this go. the issue at hand has already been cleared up by staff. let's just continue on w/the question of the original post. i've already put in my 2 cents, so who's next?

lol CDs, that is the point. and it's all good to me.

niceguyrichy · Oct 10, 2006, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDsDontBurn

k, c'mon now guys. just let this go. the issue at hand has already been cleared up by staff. let's just continue on w/the question of the original post. i've already put in my 2 cents, so who's next?

well put
it's been discussed and taken care of already guys, back on topic hugs all round

@ op: I've been seeing silly prices for oem P4's recently, that would stand you in much better stead than a cele

what shops you been looking for this stuff at?

H3X4D3C1M4L · Oct 10, 2006, 05:51 PM

Avoid celerons and budget parts... you're best off getting the lowest Pentium D/4 you can afford then overclocking it, but spring for something on an 800Mhz FSB. That'll for sure give you alot more bang for your buck

CDsDontBurn · Oct 10, 2006, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by H3X4D3C1M4L

Avoid celerons and budget parts... you're best off getting the lowest Pentium D/4 you can afford then overclocking it, but spring for something on an 800Mhz FSB. That'll for sure give you alot more bang for your buck

lol...you just reminded me of the Pentium D 805. IMO, it's an awesome processor for it's price

. And it's better than an celly any day of the week

PangingJr · Oct 11, 2006, 04:55 AM

if you can afford, consider Pentium processors D's platform, check out Pentium D 915.

Pentium D 915 (2.80 GHz non-VT) D0 stepping (S-spec number = SL9KB)
=============
Pentium D 925 (3.0 GHz non-VT) D0 stepping (S-spec number = SL9KA)
Pentium D 945 (3.4 GHz non-VT) D0 stepping (S-spec number = SL9QQ)

H3X4D3C1M4L · Oct 11, 2006, 08:04 PM

I think the Pentium D 915 does have VT, I have an Intel chart right in front of me saying it does anyway, so does the 925

PangingJr · Oct 11, 2006, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by H3X4D3C1M4L

I think the Pentium D 915 does have VT, I have an Intel chart right in front of me saying it does anyway, so does the 925

show me the chart.

Intel Pentium D processor 915 S-spec number SL9KB - http://processorfinder.intel.com/det...px?sSpec=SL9KB
no Intel Virtualization Technology under the "Supported Features:"

CDsDontBurn · Oct 12, 2006, 03:43 PM

kk....somebody explained it to me before, but i'm currently experiencing a brain fart

. what is VT again?

PangingJr · Oct 12, 2006, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDsDontBurn

what is VT again?

Intel Virtualization Technology
http://www.intel.com/technology/virt...tion/index.htm

Intel Pentium D 9x5 do not support Intel VT. AFAIK they never have.
http://www.intel.com/products/proces.../pentium_d.htm

H3X4D3C1M4L · Oct 12, 2006, 05:29 PM

http://indigo.intel.com/compare_cpu/...&culture=en-US

930 has VT and upwards

PangingJr · Oct 12, 2006, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by H3X4D3C1M4L

http://indigo.intel.com/compare_cpu/...&culture=en-US

930 has VT and upwards

lol you forget what you said before?

Quote:

Originally Posted by H3X4D3C1M4L

I think the Pentium D 915 does have VT, I have an Intel chart right in front of me saying it does anyway, so does the 925

H3X4D3C1M4L · Oct 12, 2006, 05:37 PM

Yeah but that chart see, its old and it is also of the gay persuasion

So I used Google.

PangingJr · Oct 12, 2006, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by H3X4D3C1M4L

Yeah but that chart see, its old and it is also of the gay persuasion

So I used Google.

okay, i don't understand you. so that means you still think that Intel Pentium D 9x5s do support Intel VT?

okay this may help you understand better...
So you used Google.
and what it tells you? the Intel Pentium D 9x5s (915, 925 and 945. these are the Pentium D's that i posted on the post #21) do or do not support Intel VT?

you see... i was posting about Intel Pentium D 915, 925 and 945, not Intel Pentium D 930.
why you wanted me to believe that what i have posted on the post #21 was having a wrong info?

H3X4D3C1M4L · Oct 13, 2006, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PangingJr

okay, i don't understand you.

Fair enough.

To clarify, the chart I had did claim that ALL the 9xx series of Pentium D's had VT on them as long as they had an 800MHz FSB. That chart was released prior to the Pentium D's actual release, it was a projection. I was using that in my assumption that the 915 had VT. Realizing then the error of my way, I used Google to find the chart I posted at this link.

Then I proceeded to post that information here, dissing the chart I used in the first place.

I did not come here with the specific intention of trying to corrupt your mind or make you think that your information was false. I should have made an effort perhaps to be a little clearer in my clearing up, agreed, but it was not in anyway an attempt at dissuasion.

Oct 8, 2006, 08:48 AM	#1
dirtyp DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 36 Rep Power: 0	new pc ? Im looking for a cheap new barebones pc, for gaming and recording. I found a celeron 2.93 mhz 533 fbs, And a sempron 64 bit 3300 2.2 mhz , I cant find out what the fsb is on the amd. both are around $115, board,pc,tower,power, etc am i better off just waiting? im currently using p3 1.7 mhz 768 ram 150 gb 256 mb video for games, celeron 950 mhz 768 ram 120 gb 64 mb video for recording. I plan on mix and matching parts, And buying a new 3d card. I can also get firewire ports for 20 bucks should I get this? I have pre mobile usb so its not needed now, But I coud get a firewire interface later. __________________ does amd integrated bus actualy work like they claim? 1600 mhz the processer said 200 x11 = 2200 so wouldnt the bus be 200 with 64 bit. __________________ www.soundclick.com/dirtypocketsproductions www.soundclick.com/faithrose www.soundclick.com/dirtypocketsclick www.soundclick.com/dirtypstaxbrix www.myspace.com/staxbrix www.myspace.com/dirtypocketsproductions

Oct 9, 2006, 10:37 PM	Thread Starter #7
dirtyp DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 36 Rep Power: 0	it is a celeron d335, Sorry about that. I seen benchmarks where the amd outpeforms p4 3.2, But you think the intels better, might be it has a 533 bus. Alot of people tell me about amd for gaming then I ask them about the bus or 64 bit and they have no answers. The price should be dropping on these soon anyways. __________________ www.soundclick.com/dirtypocketsproductions www.soundclick.com/faithrose www.soundclick.com/dirtypocketsclick www.soundclick.com/dirtypstaxbrix www.myspace.com/staxbrix www.myspace.com/dirtypocketsproductions

Oct 9, 2006, 11:19 PM	#8
CDsDontBurn Lurking DriverHeaven Join Date: May 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 22,779 Rep Power: 235 System Specs	the whole "it's 64bit so its better" line is old and incorrect. and well, at one point AMDs were better for gaming than intels were, but that was before the intel core2 was launched. but between a sempron and celeron, it's a close call really... __________________ Her First Day \| A year later

Oct 10, 2006, 03:27 AM	Thread Starter #10
dirtyp DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 36 Rep Power: 0	dude your name is in your sig too. your big ass dyre straits banner is bigger then my shit too. i was just to lazy to type in dirtypocketsproductions as my screen name, neither of my post has to do with my music. __________________ www.soundclick.com/dirtypocketsproductions www.soundclick.com/faithrose www.soundclick.com/dirtypocketsclick www.soundclick.com/dirtypstaxbrix www.myspace.com/staxbrix www.myspace.com/dirtypocketsproductions

Oct 10, 2006, 11:43 AM	#13
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 71	okay. Last edited by PangingJr; Oct 10, 2006 at 12:53 PM.

Oct 8, 2006, 09:03 AM	#2
CDsDontBurn Lurking DriverHeaven Join Date: May 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 22,779 Rep Power: 235 System Specs	first of all, welcome to Driverheaven . To answer your question, of the two systems you intend on purchasing, the celeron machine would be the better choice. however, because it is a celeron it won't perform as well as a pentium 4, pentium D, or the new intel core2 processors will. Although, seeing what you have now, that celeron would be a great upgrade . for the mix and match part you mentioned, about the only thing you'll be able to bring over will be just the hard drives and optical drives. anything else will have to stay in the old rig. if you can, go with something that supports PCI-E for the new gfx card format. firewire ports for audio recording are best not purchased. the best ones are the ones that already come on the motherboard. or so i've been told by some of my friends that do audio recording for their own music. it just gives them less problems, and it is also a faster data throughput because the data is not being bottlenecked by the PCI bus. for the data bus part on the AMD, i believe the semprons are 1600Mhz bus. the 200x11 you mentioned would be the clock speed, 2.2Ghz that you mentioned at the very beginning of your post. i believe for the bus it is 200x4 = 400, then there's another multiplier of 4 after that, so it would be 400x4 = 1600. i don't know exactly how it works, but it's something like that. __________________ Her First Day \| A year later

Oct 10, 2006, 12:16 AM	#9
F1N3ST DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 123 Rep Power: 0	Sempron is better. My Celeron D 335 Sucks balls. And in benchmarks the sempron wins.

Oct 10, 2006, 12:58 PM	#15
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 71	i removed my above post. you can remove yours if you want to. i don't know if i should remove my post or not, just removed it. i feel i already know what i like to know from you.

Oct 10, 2006, 01:03 PM	#16
CDsDontBurn Lurking DriverHeaven Join Date: May 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 22,779 Rep Power: 235 System Specs	k, c'mon now guys. just let this go. the issue at hand has already been cleared up by staff. let's just continue on w/the question of the original post. i've already put in my 2 cents, so who's next? __________________ Her First Day \| A year later

Oct 10, 2006, 05:51 PM	#19
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,794 Rep Power: 0	Avoid celerons and budget parts... you're best off getting the lowest Pentium D/4 you can afford then overclocking it, but spring for something on an 800Mhz FSB. That'll for sure give you alot more bang for your buck

Oct 11, 2006, 04:55 AM	#21
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 71	if you can afford, consider Pentium processors D's platform, check out Pentium D 915. Pentium D 915 (2.80 GHz non-VT) D0 stepping (S-spec number = SL9KB) ============= Pentium D 925 (3.0 GHz non-VT) D0 stepping (S-spec number = SL9KA) Pentium D 945 (3.4 GHz non-VT) D0 stepping (S-spec number = SL9QQ)

Oct 11, 2006, 08:04 PM	#22
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,794 Rep Power: 0	I think the Pentium D 915 does have VT, I have an Intel chart right in front of me saying it does anyway, so does the 925

Oct 12, 2006, 03:43 PM	#24
CDsDontBurn Lurking DriverHeaven Join Date: May 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 22,779 Rep Power: 235 System Specs	kk....somebody explained it to me before, but i'm currently experiencing a brain fart . what is VT again? __________________ Her First Day \| A year later

Oct 12, 2006, 05:29 PM	#26
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,794 Rep Power: 0	http://indigo.intel.com/compare_cpu/...&culture=en-US 930 has VT and upwards

Oct 12, 2006, 05:37 PM	#28
H3X4D3C1M4L DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,794 Rep Power: 0	Yeah but that chart see, its old and it is also of the gay persuasion So I used Google.