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Oct 23, 2006, 02:48 PM
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cheap dual core
I been looking for a new pc and I might be able to get a better deal by buying piece by piece, Im not sure if these are all compatable. The proccesor is dual core wich should help with games, what are the advantages of vt? Any help will be appreciated.
D803 2.66 1MB X 2 Broadway Com Corp 204-4HA-S Silver Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 450W ECS 865-M7 (V2.0), Foxconn P4M800P7MA or reccomend one, Im having a problem finding a cheap mobo with pic-e and 4 memory slots for under $50. I have harddrives, all I will need is memory right? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813135014 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813186090 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811162019 |
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Oct 23, 2006, 03:19 PM
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Dual core won't help you with today's games, none of them are dual core optimized (save Quake 4 which won't really show too many benefits from it either way), but in future games it may help. Then again those games will require DX10 style hardware so its 6 of 1, 1/2 dozen of the other.
VT is an advantage if you plan to use virtualization technology like the Xen HyperVisor, but if you're just doing gaming primarily it shouldn't be a make or break feature |
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Oct 23, 2006, 03:56 PM
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these boards are the very first Intel 945P/945G + ICH7R chipset based motherboards that Foxconn has made at the time of Intel's first release of the Pentium D processors... try checking at your local computer part stores and to see if you can buy one of them at the same prices... the boards's model are: 945P7AA-8EKRS2 and 945G7AB-8EKRS2. Last edited by PangingJr; Oct 23, 2006 at 04:14 PM. |
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Oct 23, 2006, 03:57 PM
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So should I go for the fastest proccesor or fastest bus I can afford?
Even if the game doesnt tke advantage of it, wont it still procces quicker. Im using it for making music too., my p3-500 does that without any problems. I dont think it will make much a difference except when I use a bunch of plug-ins.
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Oct 23, 2006, 04:26 PM
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but if you can afford, then yes, you can go for the fastest proccesor. Quote:
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Oct 23, 2006, 04:39 PM
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I see cheap 2.8 with a 533 bus, if I find a 2.4 with 800 bus.
wouldnt the 800 out peform the the 533? From what im told the bus and cache has alot to do with peformance. Im upgrading because I cant play games on that pc, I have to use the family pc a 1.8 wich does the job ok on most game with medium settings. Problem is I cant use that cpu much I have the p3-500 in my room but I cant even install a game to that thing, It does good with the recording since that is mostly a memory and harddrive thing. I dont want to buy something that will be outdated in a few months. |
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Oct 23, 2006, 05:20 PM
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that is in fact, quite a loaded question you have there. just about everything will be outdated in a few months, even the Intel C2DC 6300 - 6700 will very soon be outdated, really.
anyway, i don't know how much you can afford on this upgrade and this probably means you'll need to build a whole new computer system. but if you like to upgrade your system, and you want to use Intel CPU, then i may have a suggestion or two for you... my first suggestion... find a motherboard (that you can afford) that can/will support at least Intel Pentium D processors (or otherwise at least Intel Core 2's processors.). and then i'd suggest you use Intel Pentium D, the one that you can afford it. other than these i don't know what to suggest you. |
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Oct 23, 2006, 05:57 PM
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Why don't you get an AMD cpu? they are cheaper.
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Oct 23, 2006, 06:12 PM
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Oct 23, 2006, 07:50 PM
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Would you have to set the core each time you run the game to set one core to the game and the other for the other processes to take advantage of teh dual core? Because I don't do anything like that. (not that I have any speed problems, just wondering)
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Oct 23, 2006, 09:56 PM
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no no no...everything is automatic. you dont have to set anything. windows XP handles that. I think the cores handle it on a hardware level as well. running a dual core processor is no different to the end user (thats you) than running a single core. Well...the only difference is that its WAY easier to multitask. you can keep lots of programs open at once and stuff like that, but you dont have to do any special settings for the most part. I do know of a few audio programs that had optomizations for dual core but I think the good ones do this automatically as well.
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Oct 24, 2006, 12:13 AM
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videocard drivers are also dual core optimized. Generally you get about 5-10% gain in performance when using dual core.
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Oct 24, 2006, 09:08 AM
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if you want an entry level dual core system, go with the pentium D 805 and good mobo. if you want something with more current technology and better bang for the buck, the 3800+ AM2 with a Asus M2N-E mobo will do the trick.
dont forget about geting a good mobo, stability and performance depends on this quite a bit. overclocking can be impossible with a crappy board and chipset, with a lower end dual core processor you might want to overclock the proc, vid card and maybe later invest in some better ram.
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Oct 24, 2006, 10:28 PM
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The number of times I've seen a game dramatically benefit from a dual core proc vs. a single core one are few and far inbetween, not to say that they aren't there but simply put games these days aren't multithreaded enough to make it worth while if you're trying to pinch pennies on a gaming machine build.
That said, if you need a dual core to run a game and a whole bunch of crap in the background well you have the choice. Spend money on the dual core or change computing habits and don't  However the point is moot, the near future is dual core, no one can deny that. |
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Oct 26, 2006, 08:35 AM
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Oct 26, 2006, 10:15 AM
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the xbox 360 is triple core.
Its looking pretty dam good/ |
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Oct 26, 2006, 10:10 PM
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@dirtyp: That's different, the Xbox uses PPC cores... y'know the one Mac just abandoned
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Oct 26, 2006, 11:59 PM
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buy a better mobo, so you be more upgradeable... something with 965p
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Oct 29, 2006, 05:05 PM
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Im going to avoid the celerons, the amd are cheaper but im not seeing anything that wows me in my price range.
Im either going keep looking for a mob for the dual core or get this http://www.smksuperstore.com/catalog...m.asp?ID=13714 p4 520 2.80 1mb 800fsb, asus p5vdc-x mobo, it has pci-e x16 and agp 8x. This should do it right? if not for under $160 whats better? |
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Oct 29, 2006, 05:34 PM
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Budget 775 motherboard, slightly over your $50 budget, Not the greatest of corse but it uses 667 ddr2 ram, sata, PCI-E
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813127012 Couple that with a Pentium D 805 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116001 and youll be good for a while. The barebones rig you posted isnt bad but far from the dual core right you originally wanted.
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Oct 30, 2006, 06:22 PM
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I just got done reading reviews of the asus board, I thought asus was a safe bet but there seems to be alot of problems with this one, I can get this intel board for $8 more, doesnt have alot of pic,or agp slots. I like the option of being able to go with pci-e or agp.
heres the mobo. Intel D101GGCL I was going to wait till the newer 3d cards come out to buy one, but I found this its a return $59. Sapphire ATI Radeon X1300 - 512MB - PCI-e X16 Video Card should I pick this up now? or should I wait? And my last question whats the advantage of ddr2 memory?
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Nov 5, 2006, 07:37 AM
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how's it going, have you built a new computer yet?
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Nov 5, 2006, 11:34 AM
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im getting discouraged, I was settling in with the p4 2.8 800 fsb with the asus mobo,
But most the feedback I recieved makes me shy away im pretty dam poor and cant afford to lose $150. At the same time my 1.8 isnt cutting it, so im at a crossroads I like the idea of buying a barebones package with the warranty, but I can get a better pc by ordering seperate besides the xtra shipping. Im just to indecisive..,,, thats why I asked so many ?s hoping someone could help me make up my mind. with my luck ill buy something and the prices will drop in half a month later, I know im better of spending more but its hard to fit it in my budget. |
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just silly me feeling bad and sorry for you seeing you looking to have a new computer and your budget is very low as i understand, but i really do feel that way, esp, if you wanted it for school or work. anyway, how much money you can spend on this new computer (include all the things for using in this build, not just the motherboard and processor) without compromising any of the other in your life? you know what i mean. also tell me in detail about all of the computer parts you're already have with you. then i'll see if i can check all the things and their prices for you may be at the newegg... |
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Nov 5, 2006, 09:15 PM
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Around $240.
I need dvd burner, tower, power,512mb ram+,mobo wit pci-e,and proccesor. I have a 100 gb and 40 gb harddrive, a few monitors,keyboards,mouse, a few cd burners, gforce 4000 128 mb pci, 56k modem,a cheap pci soundcard, 2.1 speakers. I tried selling my pc133 ram I have 8 128 mb with no luck, also have a mini tower with 230 wt psu. I found dvd burners for around 30-35, and ram 40-50 so I didnt include them. Tower with 450wt psu were around 20 bucks but shipping is close to that, Thats why the barebones with the free shipping seems descent. I need the dvd burner to back up data. Graphics can wait the geforce will due till christmas. Im also in the market for studio monitors but there going to have to wait, I have car taxes and registration due wich is eating away at my spare money. The guy that hands out paychecks lost them so I been waiting a week for my money, If I dont get my paycheck with in the next 24 hours im going to flip. If it wasnt for unexpected expenses I would have a bigger budget. |
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Nov 5, 2006, 11:29 PM
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at around $270.- (not include computer case and power supply)
you'll have a very decent Intel Pentium D-based processor, 512MB of RAM, a good DVD burner and almost up to date platform with room to upgrade. wise you can have more money to put on this new computer, $320 - $380 or so. anyway, this is just my first attempt at looking up for things that are around $240... i will look up for more choices when i have time and try to get the lowest prices possible. or otherwise may be you'll need to use AMD system instead of Intel's... don't have time to look at AMD yet, may be you can build a decent system that will be around your budget. GIGABYTE GA-8I945GZME-RH Intel 945GZ Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - $66.99 (+ $6.13 Shipping) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...813128322#spec Intel Pentium D 805 - $97.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116001 -or- Intel Pentium D 820 - $99.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116213 Kingston ValueRAM 512MB DDR2 533 - $58.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820144165 LG 18X Super-Multi DVD Burner - OEM - $31.49 (+ $5.64) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827136103 ========================== AMD Athlon 64 3200+ Venice 2.0GHz 512KB L2 Cache Socket 939 Processor - $68.50 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103535 an example of a low cost motherboard with an onboard video chip... Foxconn 6150K8MA-8EKRS Socket 939 NVIDIA GeForce 6150 (Onboard Video) - $66.99 (+$6.13) - $10.00 Mail-In Rebate http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813186086 ========================== may be someone around here can help you with one of these power supplies... Power Supplies > price : $25 - $50 > maximum power : 301 - 400Watts http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...SubCategory=58 Power Supplies > price : $25 - $50 > maximum power : 301 - 400Watts > Discount Item http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...SubCategory=58 |
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Nov 6, 2006, 12:10 PM
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replace above motherboard the GA-8I945GZME-RH with this board...
this one also comes with decent onboard devices (video, audio and Lan) and you can still use your IDE hard drives. ECS RC410L/800-M 2.0 Socket T (LGA 775) ATI Radeon XPRESS 200 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - $41.99 after $15.00 Mail-In Rebate (+ $6.13 Shipping) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813135223 Pictures http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowIm...ard+%2D+Retail Manufacturer Product Page http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWeb/Product...=Specification  otherwise... this below board is an alternative to the GA-8I945GZME-RH above Foxconn 945GZ7MC-RS2H Socket T (LGA 775) Intel 945GZ Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - $65.99 (+ $6.13 Shipping) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813186103 |
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