TBred Questions---What does it all mean?

Data1232 · Mar 25, 2003, 06:19 AM

Okay...i've been off from the whole processor front for a while, and only recently have i considered upgrading...I've already posted about this in my 9800 Cpu upgrade post...but as i've pored over all the data something has cropped up that is confusing the heck out of me... Can anyone point me too or explain this thoroughbred situtation?? I have no clue...tried Zardon's post about it somewhere here that didn't make to much sense to me at the time i read it. Any help would be greatly appeciated. I'm trying to aim for the 2400+, i considered the barton's but i'm figuring that i really don't want those...Still as i was surfing around the web this came up:

OEM AMD ATHLON XP 2400+ THOROUGHBRED
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Item Code: ZCPU-KXPT-O2400
Weight: 1.00
Category: ATHLON XP

Your Price: $ 122.00
Qty :

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Item Description

Due to the various versions of the Thoroughbred core, it's CRITICAL that your motherboard Bios/ Voltage Setting is compatable.
PCSS cannot be responsibility for physical damages and RMA costs arise from this.
To ensure maximum stability, we recommend the purchase of OEM CPU with our tested Motherboards and fans listed in the Add-On items

The AMD Athlon™ XP processor powers the next generation in computing platforms, delivering extra performance for cutting-edge applications and an extraordinary computing experience. The AMD Athlon XP processor is the latest member of the AMD Athlon family of processors designed to meet the computation-intensive requirements of cutting-edge software applications running on high-performance desktop systems.

Additional Information from the AMD Website

Warranty

Warranty Length: 30 days warranty.
Provider: PCSupplySource
Coverage: Covers repair or replacement of the product
Contact: PCSupplySource RMA Department at 732.357.1233 or by Email at: rma@pcsupplysource.com
Technical Support: PCSupplySource Technical Support at 732.357.1220 or by Email at: support@pcsupplysource.com
Service Time: Please allow 2 weeks for warranty service.
Additional Information: We do not ship to P.O. Box addresses. Shipping fees and return shipping costs are NON-REFUNDABLE. Defective CPU or Memory returned within 15 days can be replaced or refunded. All products returned will be tested by our certified technicians. Defective CPU within 30 days but more than 15 days can be replaced only. For all returns, a refund less S/H and 20% restocking fee will be applied. Due to the volatility of the market, we are unable to accept any price adjustments for CPU & memory items.

Can you exlpain if this is a good idea to buy from here or to avoid this particular model altogether? When i was reading Zardon's post it seemed to me that this only affected processor below the 2400+..but then again i'm really not sure. For my mobo check my specs..this one can go up to 333FSB as i've seen on MSI's Site..Again, thanks for your help.

Data1232 · Mar 27, 2003, 02:52 AM

Cmon peoples...at least tell me if this kind of thing affects the 2400+

~~Crash Override~~ · Mar 27, 2003, 05:06 AM

well instead of posting the whole thing why not just post the actual issue so we know for sure which thing you are talking about?

but if you are referring to the voltage issue.....well most motherboards supply the voltage automatically to the cpu and its not an issue......its just them covering their ass pure and simple not a real issue

dipstick · Mar 27, 2003, 05:49 AM

I don't know what you're asking, but that cpu will definitely work with your board. But remember that OEM chips only have a 30 day warranty and come with no hsf, unlike the retail's that have a 3 year warranty and a cheap hsf. Also OEM's are just as good; I have bought my last three chips as oem and I have never had an issue. I only shop at www.newegg.com because of their hassle free rma and customer service.

Data1232 · Mar 27, 2003, 06:05 AM

Well, what i am concerened about is the entire naming scheme. I can't sort through the label "Throughbred" From what I've gathered is it's simply a model type. What i don't know is if it only applies to the Athlon XP processor, or the whole AMD lineup. Also from what i've read is that there is apparently a "Revision B" out there. Can you explain this, and does it apply to the 2400+ at all, or only the ones below this particular model number? Thanks.

dipstick · Mar 27, 2003, 06:15 AM

Pretty much everything in AMD's lineup has moved over to the Tbred core; from the 1700 all the way to the 2800. Not sure if they are all the 'B' version of the Tbred, but anything 2400+ and over is most defnitely a 'B' core. There's also a new Barton core which has a 512kb level 2 cache. These are the 2500+, 2800+(available in Tbred and Barton), and 3000+. Also no matter what the core, they're all Athlon XP's.

PS. If you wanna make sure you get a 'B' core, go with a 2400+ or anything higher

Data1232 · Mar 27, 2003, 06:22 AM

Thankyou sooo muuch...this clears up a lot for me....great! Now i just need 20 more bucks before i can buy me a new processor! Thanks a lot!

Data1232 · Mar 27, 2003, 06:31 AM

Thankyou sooo muuch...this clears up a lot for me....great! Now i just need 20 more bucks before i can buy me a new processor! Thanks a lot!

Data1232 · Mar 27, 2003, 06:39 AM

Oops...double post....ick

ToshiroOC · Mar 27, 2003, 08:20 AM

And you had to turn it into a triple post to say that?

<future reference> Click on the edit button right there in the lower right hand corner of your post - the first option is one for delete. You check the box then click the button, and it will delete the post

</future reference>

Data1232 · Mar 27, 2003, 03:44 PM

Thankyou

ToshiroOC · Mar 27, 2003, 04:31 PM

Any time

Mar 25, 2003, 06:19 AM	#1
Data1232 DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Right. Behind. You. Posts: 180 Rep Power: 0	TBred Questions---What does it all mean? Okay...i've been off from the whole processor front for a while, and only recently have i considered upgrading...I've already posted about this in my 9800 Cpu upgrade post...but as i've pored over all the data something has cropped up that is confusing the heck out of me... Can anyone point me too or explain this thoroughbred situtation?? I have no clue...tried Zardon's post about it somewhere here that didn't make to much sense to me at the time i read it. Any help would be greatly appeciated. I'm trying to aim for the 2400+, i considered the barton's but i'm figuring that i really don't want those...Still as i was surfing around the web this came up: OEM AMD ATHLON XP 2400+ THOROUGHBRED -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Item Code: ZCPU-KXPT-O2400 Weight: 1.00 Category: ATHLON XP Your Price: $ 122.00 Qty : -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Item Description Due to the various versions of the Thoroughbred core, it's CRITICAL that your motherboard Bios/ Voltage Setting is compatable. PCSS cannot be responsibility for physical damages and RMA costs arise from this. To ensure maximum stability, we recommend the purchase of OEM CPU with our tested Motherboards and fans listed in the Add-On items The AMD Athlon™ XP processor powers the next generation in computing platforms, delivering extra performance for cutting-edge applications and an extraordinary computing experience. The AMD Athlon XP processor is the latest member of the AMD Athlon family of processors designed to meet the computation-intensive requirements of cutting-edge software applications running on high-performance desktop systems. Additional Information from the AMD Website Warranty Warranty Length: 30 days warranty. Provider: PCSupplySource Coverage: Covers repair or replacement of the product Contact: PCSupplySource RMA Department at 732.357.1233 or by Email at: rma@pcsupplysource.com Technical Support: PCSupplySource Technical Support at 732.357.1220 or by Email at: support@pcsupplysource.com Service Time: Please allow 2 weeks for warranty service. Additional Information: We do not ship to P.O. Box addresses. Shipping fees and return shipping costs are NON-REFUNDABLE. Defective CPU or Memory returned within 15 days can be replaced or refunded. All products returned will be tested by our certified technicians. Defective CPU within 30 days but more than 15 days can be replaced only. For all returns, a refund less S/H and 20% restocking fee will be applied. Due to the volatility of the market, we are unable to accept any price adjustments for CPU & memory items. Can you exlpain if this is a good idea to buy from here or to avoid this particular model altogether? When i was reading Zardon's post it seemed to me that this only affected processor below the 2400+..but then again i'm really not sure. For my mobo check my specs..this one can go up to 333FSB as i've seen on MSI's Site..Again, thanks for your help. __________________ Windows XP Pro 32-bit Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 2 GB DDR2-800 eVGA 680i XFX GeForce Ultra 8800 () Creative X-Fi Gamer

Mar 27, 2003, 02:52 AM	Thread Starter #2
Data1232 DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Right. Behind. You. Posts: 180 Rep Power: 0	Cmon peoples...at least tell me if this kind of thing affects the 2400+ __________________ Windows XP Pro 32-bit Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 2 GB DDR2-800 eVGA 680i XFX GeForce Ultra 8800 () Creative X-Fi Gamer

Mar 27, 2003, 06:05 AM	Thread Starter #5
Data1232 DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Right. Behind. You. Posts: 180 Rep Power: 0	Well, what i am concerened about is the entire naming scheme. I can't sort through the label "Throughbred" From what I've gathered is it's simply a model type. What i don't know is if it only applies to the Athlon XP processor, or the whole AMD lineup. Also from what i've read is that there is apparently a "Revision B" out there. Can you explain this, and does it apply to the 2400+ at all, or only the ones below this particular model number? Thanks. __________________ Windows XP Pro 32-bit Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 2 GB DDR2-800 eVGA 680i XFX GeForce Ultra 8800 () Creative X-Fi Gamer

Mar 27, 2003, 06:22 AM	Thread Starter #7
Data1232 DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Right. Behind. You. Posts: 180 Rep Power: 0	Thankyou sooo muuch...this clears up a lot for me....great! Now i just need 20 more bucks before i can buy me a new processor! Thanks a lot! __________________ Windows XP Pro 32-bit Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 2 GB DDR2-800 eVGA 680i XFX GeForce Ultra 8800 () Creative X-Fi Gamer

Mar 27, 2003, 06:31 AM	Thread Starter #8
Data1232 DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Right. Behind. You. Posts: 180 Rep Power: 0	Thankyou sooo muuch...this clears up a lot for me....great! Now i just need 20 more bucks before i can buy me a new processor! Thanks a lot! __________________ Windows XP Pro 32-bit Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 2 GB DDR2-800 eVGA 680i XFX GeForce Ultra 8800 () Creative X-Fi Gamer

Mar 27, 2003, 05:06 AM	#3
~~Crash Override~~ Banned Join Date: May 2002 Location: Olympia, WA Posts: 2,448 Rep Power: 0	well instead of posting the whole thing why not just post the actual issue so we know for sure which thing you are talking about? but if you are referring to the voltage issue.....well most motherboards supply the voltage automatically to the cpu and its not an issue......its just them covering their ass pure and simple not a real issue

Mar 27, 2003, 05:49 AM	#4
dipstick HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,609 Rep Power: 70 System Specs	I don't know what you're asking, but that cpu will definitely work with your board. But remember that OEM chips only have a 30 day warranty and come with no hsf, unlike the retail's that have a 3 year warranty and a cheap hsf. Also OEM's are just as good; I have bought my last three chips as oem and I have never had an issue. I only shop at www.newegg.com because of their hassle free rma and customer service.

Mar 27, 2003, 06:15 AM	#6
dipstick HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,609 Rep Power: 70 System Specs	Pretty much everything in AMD's lineup has moved over to the Tbred core; from the 1700 all the way to the 2800. Not sure if they are all the 'B' version of the Tbred, but anything 2400+ and over is most defnitely a 'B' core. There's also a new Barton core which has a 512kb level 2 cache. These are the 2500+, 2800+(available in Tbred and Barton), and 3000+. Also no matter what the core, they're all Athlon XP's. PS. If you wanna make sure you get a 'B' core, go with a 2400+ or anything higher

Mar 27, 2003, 06:39 AM	Thread Starter #9
Data1232 DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Right. Behind. You. Posts: 180 Rep Power: 0	Oops...double post....ick __________________ Windows XP Pro 32-bit Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 2 GB DDR2-800 eVGA 680i XFX GeForce Ultra 8800 () Creative X-Fi Gamer

Mar 27, 2003, 08:20 AM	#10
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	And you had to turn it into a triple post to say that? <future reference> Click on the edit button right there in the lower right hand corner of your post - the first option is one for delete. You check the box then click the button, and it will delete the post </future reference> __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

Mar 27, 2003, 03:44 PM	Thread Starter #11
Data1232 DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Right. Behind. You. Posts: 180 Rep Power: 0	Thankyou __________________ Windows XP Pro 32-bit Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 2 GB DDR2-800 eVGA 680i XFX GeForce Ultra 8800 () Creative X-Fi Gamer

Mar 27, 2003, 04:31 PM	#12
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	Any time __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)