O&O Defrag Question

-={420}=- · Mar 26, 2003, 12:38 AM

I have a question about O&O Defrag Pro V4. When I defragment my drives, there's all these yellow blocks that I think are supposed to be reserved for the MFT according to the legend. These blocks look like they take up a little more space than my data blocks. The weird thing is that they sometimes appear when I defragment and sometimes they don't. Another thing is that I can only defrag using the STEALTH, and SPACE methods, which is fine but any of the COMPLETE methods (i assume all of them, I only tried the COMPLETE/Name method) cause my computer to freeze during defragmentation at random points. I have tried this several times and it happens every time. I have to press the reset button to use my computer again. Something else that bothers me is that in the boot-time defragmentation it keeps giving me the "MFT could not be defragmented" error. It always happens on my secondary drive and sometimes on my primary drive. One last thing: I thought that after I defrag with this program, I wouldn't have to do so very often. But what I have found is that every time I restart my computer, my files get defragmented again. Here is a screenshot of the "yellow area" I was talking about, also notice all the fragmented files after only one restart:

Vampyromaniac · Mar 26, 2003, 04:19 AM

Is this cracked software?

DriveEuro · Mar 26, 2003, 04:57 AM

No need to know.

-={420}=- · Mar 26, 2003, 02:36 PM

How would that make any difference?

Vampyromaniac · Mar 26, 2003, 11:52 PM

Some software cracks are not written properly, or cannot fully crack the sofware.
The software then either does not function, or does not function the way it should.

If yours is cracked, either buy it, or use a free defragger . . . or continue your ways . . . .

-={420}=- · Mar 27, 2003, 12:47 AM

It's a perfectly good version, trust me.
EDIT: Oh, I just remembered, it couldn't be what you say because I didn't use a crack. I used a serial number.

Mar 27, 2003, 12:53 AM

hey vamp... i like your sig

-={420}=- · Mar 27, 2003, 07:59 AM

Anyone else here use O&O?

PangingJr · Mar 27, 2003, 11:38 AM

i use it on win2k with no prob. did you try to use it without snap-in to windows? i mean just run it as a program and see what happen?

-={420}=- · Mar 27, 2003, 01:12 PM

Oh I'm gonna try that. The snap-in thing was getting annoying newayz.

-={420}=- · Mar 28, 2003, 10:32 PM

Well, I installed the standalone prog and so far it didn't freeze even with the COMPLETE/Name method. The yellow space was still there but later disappeared! But only off of my main drive, it's still on the secondary one.

~~Asuka~~ · Mar 29, 2003, 12:18 AM

I use Diskeeper Lite, which you can d/l for free from their site. It works nicely for me (much faster than the Windows defrag) and even comes even with the FragGuard which monitors your drives and tells you when they are getting too fragmented

(even if it says that it is only in the full version...)

-={420}=- · Mar 29, 2003, 01:52 AM

Do you ever get that yellow area thing I'm talking about?

~~Asuka~~ · Mar 29, 2003, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by -={420}=-
Do you ever get that yellow area thing I'm talking about?

No, I don't have any "MFT reserved" space. What's that anyway, "MFT"?

shuki · Mar 29, 2003, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Asuka
I use Diskeeper Lite, which you can d/l for free from their site.

can't find it on their site

can you help???? this is all I find under freeware - http://www.execsoft.com/freeware/freeware.asp

Zardon · Mar 29, 2003, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Asuka
Originally posted by -={420}=-
Do you ever get that yellow area thing I'm talking about?

No, I don't have any "MFT reserved" space. What's that anyway, "MFT"?

NTFS's command central is the Master File Table (MFT). The MFT is analogous to the FAT file system's file allocation table because the MFT maps all the files and directories on the drive, including NTFS's metadata files. The MFT is divided into discrete units known as records. In one or more MFT records, NTFS stores the metadata that describes a file or directory's characteristics (security settings and other attributes such as read-only or hidden) and its location on the disk. Surprisingly, the MFT is also a file that NTFS maps using records within the MFT. This structure lets the MFT grow and shrink, which makes the space NTFS uses for metadata efficiently track the amount of metadata that exists.

-={420}=- · Mar 30, 2003, 04:09 AM

It's so weird though, it's like the program is playing games cuz one time I defrag and the yellow area is there and another time it isn't. On both drives this happens.

SpikeSpiegel · Apr 1, 2003, 04:45 AM

I use O&O but i'm on FAT32, and no I haven't experienced any yellow spots, but it hasss been a while since i defragged....

Rayder · Apr 1, 2003, 05:23 AM

Now don't take this the wrong way, but why would I want to use anything other than the defragger that comes with Windows, especially in XP? I know about the WinME defrag trick for 98 to make defragging faster, but why use a 3rd party defragger at all?

I'm just curious.

Vampyromaniac · Apr 1, 2003, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rayder
I know about the WinME defrag trick for 98 to make defragging faster

Hehe, that's what I use

Yeah man, I tried some other defragger for a while, but it just wasn't worth the hassle.

-={420}=- · Apr 1, 2003, 10:03 AM

Well, basically speaking, it defragments files that Windows Defragmenter does not and also adds more features and options to the process. Another thing is that you can defragment serveral drives at the same time. Here is what O&O software has to say:

Quote:

But Windows 2000 and Windows XP have built-in defragmentation software; do I really need O&O Defrag V4?

O&O Defrag V4 Professional offers you many essential features that you won't find in the built-in programs: from the opportunity to defragment the Windows registry database to ActivityGuard Pro, which organizes resource use so that you can continue working throughout the defragmentation process. Even Microsoft is aware of this fact, and recommends the use of a "third party" defragmenter in a Knowledge Base article.

merry · Apr 1, 2003, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Vampyromaniac
Hehe, that's what I use
Yeah man, I tried some other defragger for a while, but it just wasn't worth the hassle.

There was a proggy called Power Defrag... freeware (had it from a magazine). It did something to the registry then rebooted with the MS Defrag as shell, defragged rebooted again - is this what you're talking about?

I used SpeedDisk (Norton Utilities), but I don't like the way it behaves under XP. In 98 you had a lot more control over where you wanted your files to go (like avis/mpegs at the end of the HDD, swap at the begining etc). Under XP I can't even disable the "sort by date" option

Mar 26, 2003, 12:38 AM	#1
-={420}=- DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 1,095 Rep Power: 0	O&O Defrag Question I have a question about O&O Defrag Pro V4. When I defragment my drives, there's all these yellow blocks that I think are supposed to be reserved for the MFT according to the legend. These blocks look like they take up a little more space than my data blocks. The weird thing is that they sometimes appear when I defragment and sometimes they don't. Another thing is that I can only defrag using the STEALTH, and SPACE methods, which is fine but any of the COMPLETE methods (i assume all of them, I only tried the COMPLETE/Name method) cause my computer to freeze during defragmentation at random points. I have tried this several times and it happens every time. I have to press the reset button to use my computer again. Something else that bothers me is that in the boot-time defragmentation it keeps giving me the "MFT could not be defragmented" error. It always happens on my secondary drive and sometimes on my primary drive. One last thing: I thought that after I defrag with this program, I wouldn't have to do so very often. But what I have found is that every time I restart my computer, my files get defragmented again. Here is a screenshot of the "yellow area" I was talking about, also notice all the fragmented files after only one restart: __________________ [COLOR=red]My eBay Auctions[/COLOR]

Mar 26, 2003, 04:19 AM	#2
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Mar 26, 2003, 02:36 PM	Thread Starter #4
-={420}=- DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 1,095 Rep Power: 0	How would that make any difference? __________________ [COLOR=red]My eBay Auctions[/COLOR]

Mar 26, 2003, 11:52 PM	#5
Vampyromaniac confutatis maledictis Join Date: May 2002 Location: somewhere dark Posts: 5,974 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	ygwypf Some software cracks are not written properly, or cannot fully crack the sofware. The software then either does not function, or does not function the way it should. If yours is cracked, either buy it, or use a free defragger . . . or continue your ways . . . . __________________ *Digitalis 3.3* Athlon 64 3000 // ASUS K8V SE Deluxe // 1024MB PC3200 (2-2-2-10 1T) ATI All-In-Wonder 9700 Pro // 20" Dell 2005FPW (DVI) M-Audio Revo 7.1 + Philips Acoustic Edge // Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 320/16 Western Digital WD3200KS + 120/8 Seagate 7200.7 NEC ND-3550A 16x DVD±RW + Lite-On 52x24x CD-RW Antec Sonata case // 480W Antec TruePower personal bests \|\| Aq'3: 46796 \| 3D'01: 20461 \| 3D'03: 6336 \| 3D'05: 2677 \| PC'04: 4605 \| PC'02: 7691,9092,1250

Mar 27, 2003, 12:47 AM	Thread Starter #6
-={420}=- DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 1,095 Rep Power: 0	It's a perfectly good version, trust me. EDIT: Oh, I just remembered, it couldn't be what you say because I didn't use a crack. I used a serial number. __________________ [COLOR=red]My eBay Auctions[/COLOR] Last edited by -={420}=-; Mar 27, 2003 at 12:53 AM.

Mar 27, 2003, 12:53 AM	#7
generalstupid Guest Posts: n/a	hey vamp... i like your sig

Mar 27, 2003, 07:59 AM	Thread Starter #8
-={420}=- DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 1,095 Rep Power: 0	Anyone else here use O&O? __________________ [COLOR=red]My eBay Auctions[/COLOR]

Mar 27, 2003, 11:38 AM	#9
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 71	re i use it on win2k with no prob. did you try to use it without snap-in to windows? i mean just run it as a program and see what happen?

Mar 27, 2003, 01:12 PM	Thread Starter #10
-={420}=- DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 1,095 Rep Power: 0	Oh I'm gonna try that. The snap-in thing was getting annoying newayz. __________________ [COLOR=red]My eBay Auctions[/COLOR]

Mar 28, 2003, 10:32 PM	Thread Starter #11
-={420}=- DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 1,095 Rep Power: 0	Well, I installed the standalone prog and so far it didn't freeze even with the COMPLETE/Name method. The yellow space was still there but later disappeared! But only off of my main drive, it's still on the secondary one. __________________ [COLOR=red]My eBay Auctions[/COLOR]

Mar 29, 2003, 12:18 AM	#12
~~Asuka~~ BANNED Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 579 Rep Power: 0	I use Diskeeper Lite, which you can d/l for free from their site. It works nicely for me (much faster than the Windows defrag) and even comes even with the FragGuard which monitors your drives and tells you when they are getting too fragmented (even if it says that it is only in the full version...)

Mar 29, 2003, 01:52 AM	Thread Starter #13
-={420}=- DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 1,095 Rep Power: 0	Do you ever get that yellow area thing I'm talking about? __________________ [COLOR=red]My eBay Auctions[/COLOR]

Mar 29, 2003, 04:53 PM	#14
~~Asuka~~ BANNED Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 579 Rep Power: 0	Originally posted by -={420}=- Do you ever get that yellow area thing I'm talking about? No, I don't have any "MFT reserved" space. What's that anyway, "MFT"?

Mar 30, 2003, 04:09 AM	Thread Starter #17
-={420}=- DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 1,095 Rep Power: 0	It's so weird though, it's like the program is playing games cuz one time I defrag and the yellow area is there and another time it isn't. On both drives this happens. __________________ [COLOR=red]My eBay Auctions[/COLOR]

Apr 1, 2003, 04:45 AM	#18
SpikeSpiegel DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Malaysia Posts: 39 Rep Power: 0	I use O&O but i'm on FAT32, and no I haven't experienced any yellow spots, but it hasss been a while since i defragged.... __________________ - An ATI is Forever -

Apr 1, 2003, 05:23 AM	#19
Rayder Mostly lurking lately.... Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 2,161 Rep Power: 73	Now don't take this the wrong way, but why would I want to use anything other than the defragger that comes with Windows, especially in XP? I know about the WinME defrag trick for 98 to make defragging faster, but why use a 3rd party defragger at all? I'm just curious.