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Old Feb 27, 2007, 09:54 PM   #1
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I am making a new computer because mine is outdated, slow, and breaking every day more and more. I needed a new CPU, but all CPUs for my motherboard are all currently discontinued, so I had to get a new motherboard aswell. After I realized that my GPU wouldn't fit into a PCI-Express mobo, which I found out was superior, I now had to get a new GPU. I figured I would throw in a better Power Supply, and 2GB of ram just to make it better.

So, I have asked Dyre and Viking about this, and I did some price checking of my own (because I am in Canada, and they mostly shop at American online stores). Currently, I am looking at:
Mobo - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813135218
CPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115005
GPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814161060
PSU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817371004
RAM - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820161677

My current Hard Drive is located at this site - http://www.canadacomputers.com/index...1551&cid=HD.96 - I changed the RAM from the original idea, and [COLOR=black]I wanted to know if anyone knew if all this would work nicely and fast together[/COLOR] for gaming needs.

I realised this isn't a super computer
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Most everything looks good for the price quoted.

I'd rather see you get a PSU with at least 20A on the 12V Rail...especially when you're getting an X1950 Pro.

I'm also not familiar with WinTec RAM. It would be good to hear from someone here at DH who has some experience with this brand. Otherwise, I feel you can't go wrong with Corsair or OCZ.

That CPU is quite the overclocker from everything I've read about it. So, since you have plans to overclock, it should be a good choice.

BTW, with two IDE connectors, your present HD should work fine. BUT, a SATA drive is going to be much faster. So, since you're planning to get a SATA drive, plan to put Windows onto that one and use the IDE drive you have now for storage.

We'll see what everyone else says, but, overall, you've done some good homework.
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I'd get a PSU with at least 26a on the 12v, maybe even 30+. Not all PSU's can do the fully rated amp level, so getting a bit of some overhead I think is a good idea.

I'd also fork out the money for a APC RS series UPS - it has Boost and Trim AVR - will protect and condition the power that does come into your PSU.

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i dont think that motherboard supports the C2D...... get another one.....maybe the Gigabyte 965P DS3 or DQ6. read the reviews man and i searched on the site and it seems to only support Pentium D. the DS3 board is a higher quality mid range board with alot of OCing potiental and is cheap.... the DQ6 board is a more expensive Crossfire board that would probably be better for you in the long run

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128012
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128323
and i think you should get beter DDR2 800 like G.Skill theyre cheap and produce some decent quality stuff it seems
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231098
that wintec stuff looks scary as there are no timings or volts mentioned in the specs
and a good powersupply as they said.....X1950PROs are hungry cards


but i really think you should wait till nvidia releases the 8600 series of directX 10 cards.
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also, what is your spending budget on components? i can probably get something together for what you're willing to spend (preferrably in USD)
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Ahh... Ok thanks.

Dyre, and Dude, I am looking at some different power supplies, and I think this one could be good --> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817153032 but I have no clue, if you guys think you can find a good one that is like 90-120 USD then I would really appreciate it.

kris, I liked that motherboard, and RAM, and if you think you can find me some nice parts that are between like 470 and 570 USD (just Mobo, RAM, GPU, and when are those new nVidia cards coming out, and how cheap will they be?), then that would be good too... But, please keep in mind that CPU I(with help) found. Heh, sorry about that small amount of money, but I'm trying to save up some money right now.

Thanks again everyone it is really helpful right now
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I would use ncix.com or tigerdirect.ca instead of Canadacomputers because that store has a much smaller selection than those two and they constantly have some great sale prices. Even their regular prices are lower.
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ooo tigerdirect....theyre ok but i forgot they had a canada website......ya you should buy there
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I bought a PC from ncix and they assembled it for only 20 bucks I thought that was a nice touch. Tigerdirect stuff comes from the USA but there's no duty so that's cool too.
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I use ncix almost exlusivly, as they pricematch almost anything else in Canada, and I've had great service there. directcanada.com is new, and although I haven't ordered anything there yet, they appear to have very good prices, and some better shipping deals than ncix on some stuff.
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kris23, good catch on the C2D. Everything else looked good to go. I just didn't notice the reviews. And, what one of them said is really to the point: ECS could very easily have made a revision board to support C2D.

As for the recommendations for more powerful PSUs RE the 12V AMP: I've been doing quite well with several different PSUs I've been testing that have around 18 - 20 A on the 12V. My X1950 Pro is doing very well. I DO, however, need to get at least another GB of RAM for this current setup I'm testing. (Not the one showing in my profile.)

But, I do agree, the higher you get with that 12V rail, the better.
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Beefy PSU - alot of amps, freaken 42A on the 12v rail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817713002

good Mobo - cheap but powerful.....best bang for the buck, this may be the best choice unless you plan to use Crossfire anytime soon
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128012

better Mobo - a bit pricey but it is MUCH better than your previous choice, Crossfire
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128323

good RAM - powerful without denting the wallet
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231098

Better RAM - more powerful but with a few dollars more, this may be the best choice for you
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231114

nice processor - cheapest Core 2 available, OCing freak of nature
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115013

better processor - 2nd cheapest of the Core 2s OCs above 3GHz easy with above hardware, this may be the best choice for you
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115005

best processor - known as the best bang for the buck by many though somewhat expensive.....most powerful of the 3 OCs better than other 2
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115005

ok GPU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102034

better GPU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102061

better-er GPU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814161061

better-er-er GPU, i recommend this to u
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102067

best GPU (if u can drop the paper for this....then youre set but if not then just get an ATi card)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130038

HDD's.....sure u dont want to get a Seagate? the 7200.10 series are more powerful than Maxtors.......does seagate own Maxtor or something because the seagate website has them both

the 250GB 7200.10 looks pretty good, i recommend this for SPEED, POWER and BANGFORTHEBUCK-ness
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148144




something tells me that these components went a few dollar bills over your budget......
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Beefy PSU - alot of amps, freaken 42A on the 12v rail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817713002
Wow - that looks awesome. 42a on a SINGLE rail - no worries about splitting current on multiple rails. All your power drawn from a single pool. I like that idea.

$110 - good price. But the brand - PowerTek - are they good?

No power switch or adjustable fan speed dial, but other than that, it looks very impressive.
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Wow - that looks awesome. 42a on a SINGLE rail - no worries about splitting current on multiple rails. All your power drawn from a single pool. I like that idea.

$110 - good price. But the brand - PowerTek - are they good?

No power switch or adjustable fan speed dial, but other than that, it looks very impressive.
don't kno too much about the brand but no one seems to be complaining soo its good so far
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Well, I do know that I got my Enermax with 33a on a single 12v rail, and have had no trouble at all with power distribution.

42a would rock even more.
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I am loving that EVGA GPU that you described as the best, just because it is nVidia, and 8800GTS, but I know that any part I buy now will be vitrually useless anywhere between 2 and 4 years, so I will stick with cheaper stuff, that will get it done, like http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102061 as GPU,
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128012 as mobo,
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231114 as RAM,
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115013 as CPU,
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817713002 as power supply, and price check them all at Tigerdirect, and NCIX.

Thanks everyone, and I will probably need to know how to overclock the CPU once I get it all... Thanks again.
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good choices.... but i noticed a handfull of issues with the gigabyte DS3 and ram above 1.8v.....it will only boot out of the box with 1.8v ram only BUT you can set the voltage higher once its all booted up and everything........

all you need is a small stick of DDR2, nothing fancy needed just an extra 20 bucks out of your pocket.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820144146

you can probably get away with it and having the ram boot up right then and there but id rather you not having to wait a week extra after buying everything to just not be able to use it...

also, i hear the sapphire X1950PROs overheat alot due to that undersized heatsink, i think you should get the X1950XT if u can but the PRO is still a good card if you dont OC very much, either card is great but just giving the heads up for each.
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Alright cool I did change GPU, and I added the RAM to my list.

Thanks a lot man

Edit: No I checked the price of it all and it is $ 900 CAD, so I think I'm going to skim by with that PRO... I won't extreme overclock so I think it should work nicely.
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FWIW, I just ordered a Silverstone Zeus PSU with a combined 60A on the +12V rails for just under $160 US, from ncix.com. Check out jonnyguru.com and the forums there for PSU information, it has some of the best I have seen.

willC: Keep in mind that ncix will not pricematch newegg, only Canadian sources. for most components, we are stuck paying more than people in the US.
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Yeah, I have found that ncix, canadacomputers, and tigerdirect are all more expensive than newegg.
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Defintely go with a namebrand PSU. You should never gimp on your PSU as it determines how the rest of your computer may react. I have seen too many potential systems fail because they decided to spend less and get a cheap psu. Just my opinion though. I'll give it a look when I get a chance to see what I can dig up as a recommendation if you are still interested. I like to purchase something there have been some good hard reviews testing the stability of the rails and everything. Something under volted or overvolted can easily kill a build.

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Yeah, I know I have a Thermaltake Purepower PSU right now, it is 480Watts and that is pretty much all I know about it. It also has adjustable fan speed... I don't know how many A it has on the 12V... but it has got to be a tleast 15A - 12V

Also... What is your guys' opinion on nVidia GPUs, I have had much too many problems with ATI graphics cards (like my current one, so now I need a new computer), I was looking for some nVidia cards, but they all seem to have changed names... Do you guys know what nVidia has changed it's brand name to? I know a LOT of GeForce behind the name.

EDIT: As of right now I am going to get
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231098 - RAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820144146 - Bootup RAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115013 - CPU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128012 - Mobo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102034 - GPU

I know these are the cheapest in the category, but I don't have a lot of money to throw around, and I think these parts right now can overclock to a nice 2.2 or so, which would be nice enough for my gaming needs considering I am coming from a 1.1GHz piece of crap with 512GB RAM.
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Yeah, I know I have a Thermaltake Purepower PSU right now, it is 480Watts and that is pretty much all I know about it. It also has adjustable fan speed... I don't know how many A it has on the 12V... but it has got to be a tleast 15A - 12V

Also... What is your guys' opinion on nVidia GPUs, I have had much too many problems with ATI graphics cards (like my current one, so now I need a new computer), I was looking for some nVidia cards, but they all seem to have changed names... Do you guys know what nVidia has changed it's brand name to? I know a LOT of GeForce behind the name.

EDIT: As of right now I am going to get
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231098 - RAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820144146 - Bootup RAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115013 - CPU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128012 - Mobo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102034 - GPU

I know these are the cheapest in the category, but I don't have a lot of money to throw around, and I think these parts right now can overclock to a nice 2.2 or so, which would be nice enough for my gaming needs considering I am coming from a 1.1GHz piece of crap with 512GB RAM.
i dont think you need that boot-up ram with those sticks since they can boot on 1.8v it seems

and ya maybe you should get a better PSU as ive been going over the reviews of the powertek PSU and it reflects the characteristics of a poorly made power supply, Enermax, Fortron, OCZ, Tagan, Antec, and maybe Thermaltake should be the companies to aim for.......

try this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817371001
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Yeah, ok so I can shave off $30 which is always good, and I think I'm using a thermaltake currently, so I don't know if I should spend some money on a new one or not. It would seem my current one is 13-15A - 12V rail, it is 480W.

I think I should get 2 more fans, 1 to cool my hard drive(s), and 1 in the back. Do fans use a lot of power? Because I can stick 4 in all together, three 80mm and one 40mm.
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Thermaltake prior to true power or tough power w/e their new line is, hasn't been the greatest. Its rather hit or miss.

Will, I absolutely love ATI, but I don't want to spend $800 - $1000 on a set of crossfire graphics cards, when i can spend 560 on a 8800GTX which will beat out the crossfires in most test for much cheaper. When I want to go SLI then it is just crazy.

Edit: We just had the Antec true power trio out at work 2-3 days ago. It wasn't a bad PSU, its nice having more parts than you can ever think of to test at work.

AMD sent us a computer to test their I wanna say 2 4x4 procs. :O
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Ok, so I only have 1 case fan, should I get 2 more?

And, Punk, what would you say is a good GPU for about 100-150 USD that does NOT have crossfire? A link is the best if you can get one.

Thanks!

EDIT: I noticed that newegg does not sell anytihng to Canada, so I am going to have to find every part again, most is overpriced by up to 40%, wow how lame.

I have found these parts, and I changed ram to only 1 GB considering the sites were trying to make me pay $400 CAD for 2 1GB sticks, and also I changed GPU to X1950 PRO 'HIS' version.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...880&CatId=1554 - RAM
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...?EdpNo=2341479 - CPU
http://www.canadacomputers.com/index...807&cid=MB.157 - Mobo
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...923&CatId=1560 - GPU
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http://www.directcanada.com/products...ufacture=INTEL - CPU
http://www.directcanada.com/products...acture=CORSAIR - RAM
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Exact same components except for the ram, but less expensive.
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Ok, so I only have 1 case fan, should I get 2 more?

And, Punk, what would you say is a good GPU for about 100-150 USD that does NOT have crossfire? A link is the best if you can get one.

Thanks!

EDIT: I noticed that newegg does not sell anytihng to Canada, so I am going to have to find every part again, most is overpriced by up to 40%, wow how lame.

I have found these parts, and I changed ram to only 1 GB considering the sites were trying to make me pay $400 CAD for 2 1GB sticks, and also I changed GPU to X1950 PRO 'HIS' version.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...880&CatId=1554 - RAM
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...?EdpNo=2341479 - CPU
http://www.canadacomputers.com/index...807&cid=MB.157 - Mobo
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...923&CatId=1560 - GPU
I like your choice w/ the x1950, if I wouldn't have ran into more money then I would be buying the same as you. In fact its in my wish list haha . I think your going down a better path my friend.
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Ok, cool, I just realized that the site I was looking at was the american tiger direct, which again is horse shit, the prices are extreme there for the Canadians, Thanks Zelig, those prices are much better than tiger direct!
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Yeah, ok so I can shave off $30 which is always good, and I think I'm using a thermaltake currently, so I don't know if I should spend some money on a new one or not. It would seem my current one is 13-15A - 12V rail, it is 480W.

I think I should get 2 more fans, 1 to cool my hard drive(s), and 1 in the back. Do fans use a lot of power? Because I can stick 4 in all together, three 80mm and one 40mm.
I'd grab a PSU with a lot more than 15a on the 12v rail. 30+amp would be best, I think. The X1950 Pro I have (AGP) says that is the min I should use. I have 33a, so it seems to be ok.
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