ok im stumped........ system freezes

**kris23** · Mar 14, 2007, 01:49 AM

ok, ever since i got my new hardware, HIS IceQ3 512mb (Rev1), G.Skill DDR400 2-3-2-5 ram that runs at 2.6-2.7v, and D-Link 300mbps Draft N PCI wireless card......my system has become unstable and freezes up if left idle, it happens at random times, when im playing games, watching a movie, browsing the internet or even when i just leave it idle......

reformatting didnt work, and putting in my old ram didnt help, do you think its my graphics card as i know the first HIS 512 cards were a big mess and alot didnt work (i know its one of the first since it didnt come with a 4-pin molex to 6-pin PCI express)

my PSU has 30-32A so i THINK its ok, but i had similar crashes that went away with the purchase of a beefier one ......

dipstick · Mar 14, 2007, 02:09 AM

Try running Orthos and memtest for a couple of hours each. If they pass at least you'll know your cpu and ram are not the issue.

Orthos
http://sp2004.fre3.com/beta/beta2.htm

Memtest
http://www.memtest86.com/

**kris23** · Mar 14, 2007, 02:30 AM

sweet ill do this and see what happens, but in the meantime, i noticed my processor is pumping 60c+ ever since i installed my stuff.....could it be the demand from my GPU?

dipstick · Mar 14, 2007, 03:30 AM

What was it running at before the video card upgrade? 60c in not too bad for load temp but if that is at idle its too hot. Make sure all the fans working, all power cables are connected, that the cpu hsf is seated properly. It's easy tap something loose and not notice it

Also keep an eye on the cpu temp when running orthos; the cpu will get real hot, real fast

**kris23** · Mar 14, 2007, 04:05 AM

well, it froze at about 50 mins at 66c, but i dont think thats the prob as it would most likely have frozen at the beginning. my power readings dont seem to be below in any of the levels, and i rememer when i plugged in my 9550 it still froze (though i didnt install the drivers yet)

am going to do memtest tomorrow when i get a blank disk

cozumel · Mar 14, 2007, 07:25 AM

I've got the exact same problem since installing the HIS, GSkill and PSU. Totally random freeze that might not occur for 1 week. Can happen when idle or when watching DVD, surfing, gaming......

100% stable with Prime95, OCCT and Memtest. All temps across the whole system nice n cool

I know CPU stable at overclock and RAM is TCCD so should have no probs. I've tried relaxing timings at increasing voltage to max of specified range (2.65-2.85) and is currently at 2.9v.

I might test with my Corsair installed to see if GSkill is the problem!?!?!

**kris23** · Mar 14, 2007, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cozumel

I've got the exact same problem since installing the HIS, GSkill and PSU. Totally random freeze that might not occur for 1 week. Can happen when idle or when watching DVD, surfing, gaming......

100% stable with Prime95, OCCT and Memtest. All temps across the whole system nice n cool

I know CPU stable at overclock and RAM is TCCD so should have no probs. I've tried relaxing timings at increasing voltage to max of specified range (2.65-2.85) and is currently at 2.9v.

I might test with my Corsair installed to see if GSkill is the problem!?!?!

if that is the problem, though i doubt it, then i may just buy the Kingston HyperX since i know Kingston runs with this thing great......

dipstick · Mar 14, 2007, 02:06 PM

You should try to reseat the cpu heatsink; 66c is kinda hot even for a P4. If I had to guess, I would say your problems are heat related. First try fixing the obvious (overheating cpu) and then try changing components

CDsDontBurn · Mar 14, 2007, 02:49 PM

If this didn't start happening until after you got your new components, then try swapping out your old components one at a time first. I would start out w/the gfx card and see how the machine runs w/the old gfx card first.

but before even that, try what dipstick said and take care of the CPU temps first.

BlueMak · Mar 14, 2007, 03:33 PM

Check the motherboard's switches.

**kris23** · Mar 14, 2007, 10:16 PM

Ok ill do that, I'm thinking of getting that one scythe cooler with the 10 heatpipes for my system, then ill try the system with the 9550 and check if that's it, It possible that its the psu? I may get the enremax infiniti with 28a on a single rail, it has 4 I think

ChaosMinionX · Mar 15, 2007, 12:51 AM

Think of what components you installed, also get a can of air and spray out the PCI slots and reinsert the PCI stuff your using, those slots are very sensitive and can cause system lockups if theres a bit of dust or something in there.

**kris23** · Mar 15, 2007, 03:35 AM

ok looks like im gonna need another bottle of canned air lol i like spraying flies with that stuff upside down

**kris23** · Mar 15, 2007, 11:28 PM

spent 3 hours yesterday night and cleane out, rearranged everything and tidied up the case for better airflow..... reapplyed my HSF with that OCZ silver compound and it stays at that same place, but it idles at around 44c

IT STILL FREEZES!!!!!

so tonight im gonna swap out my card and see if thats it............

cozumel · Mar 15, 2007, 11:53 PM

The problem I have is that it happens so infrequently....once very 7/8 days or so.

Guess I'll do what everyone has suggested. Remove everything and blow out any dust with air can. Try with original hardware and run for 2 weeks. Then replace each component 1 by 1 and test for 2 weeks with each piece of hardware.

Good luck Kris.

**kris23** · Mar 16, 2007, 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cozumel

The problem I have is that it happens so infrequently....once very 7/8 days or so.

Guess I'll do what everyone has suggested. Remove everything and blow out any dust with air can. Try with original hardware and run for 2 weeks. Then replace each component 1 by 1 and test for 2 weeks with each piece of hardware.

Good luck Kris.

lol i hope i have enough time to return them if its the stuff....... because if it doesnt work me and my dad agreed to just save the money and build a new system, im thinking the 965p DS3, G.Skill 1000mhz 4-4-4-5 ram, PNY 8800GTX and E6600..... and a WINDOWS XP DISK! jeez the driver support for vista was almost enough to make me kill myself

my system cant seem to run the hardware too well as it skips even at medium settings like my 9550.....

anyone know when that new Bearlake chipset is coming out?

**kris23** · Mar 16, 2007, 03:09 AM

wow...........

lord jesus....... the entire reason why my system crashed alot.....

IS BECAUSE OF MY STUPID D-LINK DRAFT N CARD!!!!!!

i was annoyed and really, its the last component i havnet checked in my system, and to my surprise....some hardware or driver problem was causing it and removing it allowed me to do anything i needed reliably, so im back to using my rusty old linksys wireless G.....

the thing really is faster than the N card anyway...

Mar 14, 2007, 01:49 AM	#1
kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,018 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	ok im stumped........ system freezes ok, ever since i got my new hardware, HIS IceQ3 512mb (Rev1), G.Skill DDR400 2-3-2-5 ram that runs at 2.6-2.7v, and D-Link 300mbps Draft N PCI wireless card......my system has become unstable and freezes up if left idle, it happens at random times, when im playing games, watching a movie, browsing the internet or even when i just leave it idle...... reformatting didnt work, and putting in my old ram didnt help, do you think its my graphics card as i know the first HIS 512 cards were a big mess and alot didnt work (i know its one of the first since it didnt come with a 4-pin molex to 6-pin PCI express) my PSU has 30-32A so i THINK its ok, but i had similar crashes that went away with the purchase of a beefier one ...... __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

Mar 14, 2007, 02:30 AM	Thread Starter #3
kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,018 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	sweet ill do this and see what happens, but in the meantime, i noticed my processor is pumping 60c+ ever since i installed my stuff.....could it be the demand from my GPU? __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

Mar 14, 2007, 04:05 AM	Thread Starter #5
kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,018 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	well, it froze at about 50 mins at 66c, but i dont think thats the prob as it would most likely have frozen at the beginning. my power readings dont seem to be below in any of the levels, and i rememer when i plugged in my 9550 it still froze (though i didnt install the drivers yet) am going to do memtest tomorrow when i get a blank disk __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

Mar 14, 2007, 07:25 AM	#6
cozumel I'm dangerous but cute... Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Under the waves... Posts: 3,577 Rep Power: 60 System Specs	I've got the exact same problem since installing the HIS, GSkill and PSU. Totally random freeze that might not occur for 1 week. Can happen when idle or when watching DVD, surfing, gaming...... 100% stable with Prime95, OCCT and Memtest. All temps across the whole system nice n cool I know CPU stable at overclock and RAM is TCCD so should have no probs. I've tried relaxing timings at increasing voltage to max of specified range (2.65-2.85) and is currently at 2.9v. I might test with my Corsair installed to see if GSkill is the problem!?!?! __________________ Don't worry about money - Be a beach bum! Scuba Rocks

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Mar 14, 2007, 02:09 AM	#2
dipstick HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,609 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	Try running Orthos and memtest for a couple of hours each. If they pass at least you'll know your cpu and ram are not the issue. Orthos http://sp2004.fre3.com/beta/beta2.htm Memtest http://www.memtest86.com/

Mar 14, 2007, 03:30 AM	#4
dipstick HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,609 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	What was it running at before the video card upgrade? 60c in not too bad for load temp but if that is at idle its too hot. Make sure all the fans working, all power cables are connected, that the cpu hsf is seated properly. It's easy tap something loose and not notice it Also keep an eye on the cpu temp when running orthos; the cpu will get real hot, real fast

Mar 14, 2007, 02:06 PM	#8
dipstick HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,609 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	You should try to reseat the cpu heatsink; 66c is kinda hot even for a P4. If I had to guess, I would say your problems are heat related. First try fixing the obvious (overheating cpu) and then try changing components

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Mar 14, 2007, 10:16 PM	Thread Starter #11
kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,018 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	Ok ill do that, I'm thinking of getting that one scythe cooler with the 10 heatpipes for my system, then ill try the system with the 9550 and check if that's it, It possible that its the psu? I may get the enremax infiniti with 28a on a single rail, it has 4 I think __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

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Mar 15, 2007, 03:35 AM	Thread Starter #13
kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,018 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	ok looks like im gonna need another bottle of canned air lol i like spraying flies with that stuff upside down __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

Mar 15, 2007, 11:28 PM	Thread Starter #14
kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,018 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	spent 3 hours yesterday night and cleane out, rearranged everything and tidied up the case for better airflow..... reapplyed my HSF with that OCZ silver compound and it stays at that same place, but it idles at around 44c IT STILL FREEZES!!!!! so tonight im gonna swap out my card and see if thats it............ __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

Mar 15, 2007, 11:53 PM	#15
cozumel I'm dangerous but cute... Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Under the waves... Posts: 3,577 Rep Power: 60 System Specs	The problem I have is that it happens so infrequently....once very 7/8 days or so. Guess I'll do what everyone has suggested. Remove everything and blow out any dust with air can. Try with original hardware and run for 2 weeks. Then replace each component 1 by 1 and test for 2 weeks with each piece of hardware. Good luck Kris. __________________ Don't worry about money - Be a beach bum! Scuba Rocks

Mar 16, 2007, 03:09 AM	Thread Starter #17
kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,018 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	wow........... lord jesus....... the entire reason why my system crashed alot..... IS BECAUSE OF MY STUPID D-LINK DRAFT N CARD!!!!!! i was annoyed and really, its the last component i havnet checked in my system, and to my surprise....some hardware or driver problem was causing it and removing it allowed me to do anything i needed reliably, so im back to using my rusty old linksys wireless G..... the thing really is faster than the N card anyway... __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!