Recent heat issues...

Alistair · Mar 31, 2003, 01:11 AM

My system has been having some serious heat issues recently that had not been occuring before. Until about a month ago, my system ran at a steady 38C, 43C max when running some heavy gaming. However recently I have been reaching 50C and locking up when gaming for a halfhour or longer. Almost everytime it crashes it leaves sound screaming out of my speakers as though the sound card is hanging. It has never crashed in 3DMark2003 except on the sound tests... it doesn't crash when playing the ATI Screensavers for 24 hours, only when sound is combined with the rendering/gaming. The only thing overclocked in my system is my video card and I have managed to get it to crash even wit the card at default speeds, so I highly doubt its related to the card.

AthlonXP 1900+ (Palomino)
512MB PC-2100 (2x256)
Sound Blaster Live! Value (latest Drivers)
Sapphire Radeon 9500 np 128MB (CAT3.2)

ToshiroOC · Mar 31, 2003, 01:47 AM

Has your local ambient temperature (your weather) gotten significantly hotter recently? Your temperatures are pretty dependant on your ambient temps, so if you suddenly hit summer-like weather, your CPU temps will go up along with the ambient ones...

Alistair · Mar 31, 2003, 05:27 AM

no, its consistently 65C in my room.

~~Sourcer_2002~~ · Mar 31, 2003, 06:31 AM

well i was at a LAN last night and there was person that was running a 2100 on a soyo dragon board. Just bulit it and he was getting temp spikes all night. Hes board auto shutdowns at 80C and truly i dont think he was getting that high. I think the board was reading it wrong. But anyway Alistair i would try to remove you soumdcard and then run whatever it was and see it locks up.

No_Style · Mar 31, 2003, 06:38 AM

Cleaning? A nice cleaning could cures what ales your PC

WyreTheWolf · Mar 31, 2003, 06:48 AM

What HSF are you using?

Is the fan on the HSF running at its full potential?
- or is it running slower than it should?

Have you checked your intake fan?
- is it running at full speed?
- there is usually a grill between the intake fan and the outside of the case. Have you checked this area for buildup of dust, and fuzz?

Have you checked your exhaust fan?
- is it running at full speed?

What type of thermal interface material are you using?
- if it is a thermal pad (grey, or pink goop - looks like gum) has it dried out?
- if it is standard thermal grease, have you removed the HSF, and not replaced it with more?

The fan that blows (or pulls) air into the heatsink, can also pull dust, dirt, fuzz, cat, or dog hair into the heatsink.
- have you checked between the fan, and the heatsink... and cleaned it if neccessary?

All of these things are VERY important for your thermal dynamic.

Good luck

WyreTheWolf · Mar 31, 2003, 06:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Alistair
My system has been having some serious heat issues recently that had not been occuring before. Until about a month ago, my system ran at a steady 38C, 43C max when running some heavy gaming. However recently I have been reaching 50C and locking up when gaming for a halfhour or longer. Almost everytime it crashes it leaves sound screaming out of my speakers as though the sound card is hanging. It has never crashed in 3DMark2003 except on the sound tests... it doesn't crash when playing the ATI Screensavers for 24 hours, only when sound is combined with the rendering/gaming. The only thing overclocked in my system is my video card and I have managed to get it to crash even wit the card at default speeds, so I highly doubt its related to the card.

AthlonXP 1900+ (Palomino)
512MB PC-2100 (2x256)
Sound Blaster Live! Value (latest Drivers)
Sapphire Radeon 9500 np 128MB (CAT3.2)

After rereading your post... this sounds like the infamous screach of death...

It could be a soundcard / heat issue... check everything that I posted before, and then check to see if your sound card is sharing an IRQ with anything else.

Also, for that motherboard / sound card combo... you should have sound blaster in your 3rd PCI slot...

Once again ... Good Luck !

Alistair · Mar 31, 2003, 12:44 PM

doublepost

Alistair · Mar 31, 2003, 12:44 PM

ok I replaced the thermal compound 2 weeks ago, but it was fine then all voltages appear to be correct in SiSoft Sandra

As for the sound card its presently in slot 4, I'll try moving it up one and see if that helps. If not I'll be removing it and testing it that way...

I'll be trying everything in this thread when I get home from school later today, thanks for the replies so far guys

Heatsink: Coolermaster HC-001 and its running at 7.3k rpm

The_Neon_Cowboy · Mar 31, 2003, 12:55 PM

personally I think a new HSF mabe in order or at lest a new fan on that CPU cooler ..... (also make sure not to use to much themal compund)

OH yea allmost forgot check you power supply fans!!!!! if they go out you systems will get hot!!! one of mine mie died and my temps rose like carzy up in the 50C range so that another tought.....

Alistair · Mar 31, 2003, 01:05 PM

IRQ's (for the ones appearing wrong when looking in my A+ certification book)

16: Video Card
17: Network Card
19: Sound Card
19: USB Controller
23: USB Controller

Is the K7S5A supposed to be supporting IRQ's that are so high?

yes the PSU fan is working properly

shuki · Mar 31, 2003, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by No_Style
Cleaning? A nice cleaning could cures what ales your PC

I'm with him. you'd be amazed at what dust in the hsf, case fans and case will do to your temps....

~~Sourcer_2002~~ · Mar 31, 2003, 03:16 PM

Yes those IRQ's are right, that what my ECS is.

Alistair · Apr 1, 2003, 02:53 AM

OK I just formatted my system and now appear to only have 16 IRQ's which is how many some of my other friends running the same board have. I have no idea how it started detecting 24, but between that and my switching the sound card to PCI #3 things seem to be behaving so far.

~~Sourcer_2002~~ · Apr 1, 2003, 02:59 AM

i dont know what the hell i was smoking when i told you had 24 IRQ's man sorry about that!

Alistair · Apr 1, 2003, 03:07 AM

thats alright

I know there are boards out there that support 24

~~Sourcer_2002~~ · Apr 1, 2003, 03:09 AM

ya and whats this about runnind the sound card on the 3rd PCI?

WyreTheWolf · Apr 1, 2003, 06:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sourcer_2002
ya and whats this about runnind the sound card on the 3rd PCI?

Anything in the 4th PCI of most motherboards can cause an interrupt with the IRQ control line w/ the Primary, and Secondary EIDE controller.

Since the Sound Blaster Live soundcard is a PCI bus hog... that could be causing some of the problems that he was having.

~~Sourcer_2002~~ · Apr 1, 2003, 06:17 AM

ah

The_Neon_Cowboy · Apr 1, 2003, 06:23 AM

if your mother board supports assighning IRQ's to you pci slots try 9 , 10 , 3, 11, ....... pci lot 1,2,3,4 in that order solves alot of issues sometimes

Alistair · Apr 1, 2003, 12:30 PM

thank you gonna try that as I ran 3DMark03 last night and it crashed on the sound test... again

The_Neon_Cowboy · Apr 1, 2003, 09:10 PM

also inoticed your running sound blaster live if you dont use your com ports (com 1 0r 2 ) turn them off in the bios .... if free up some irq resources that your sondcard does not like to share

Alistair · Apr 2, 2003, 03:29 AM

Creative has recommended that I change my Video Card's IRQ. How can I go about this?

The_Neon_Cowboy · Apr 2, 2003, 03:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Alistair
Creative has recommended that I change my Video Card's IRQ. How can I go about this?

normal pci 1 and agp share a Irq but I can say for sure ... to chace a irq ... righ cick my computer....properties....hardware tab... devicemanager..dubleclick display adapter.......right cick your video card and goto properties...and then the resource tab ...

wndows usally does a god job of asighning irq's itself

Alistair · Apr 2, 2003, 04:07 AM

thanx it wasn't PCI 1, but I followed some instructions I found on Creative's site and assigned an IRQ to each PCI slot and that changed it. My Video card was using IRQ 5 which Creative said is the cause of the problem as their cards use the IRQ for something or another.

Alistair · Apr 3, 2003, 01:29 AM

well... turns out it was the soundcard, I have removed it and am currently using the onboard sound. I don't think I'll be getting another Creative card for a while...

WyreTheWolf · Apr 3, 2003, 03:14 AM

The sound blaster live, and the audigy1 have pretty bad problems, from what I understand the Audigy2 is fixed. BTW,,,, did you know that you can softmod your SB Live! into a full on Audigy?

~~Asuka~~ · Apr 3, 2003, 11:33 PM

I have a SoundBlaster Live! 5.1 myself with the newest Audigy2 drivers

, working just fine - never had any problems with it. Runs the sound tests in §DMark03 just fine as well (only "60 sounds" is not supported).
I'd say it's probably a defect on your sound card.

~~Asuka~~ · Apr 3, 2003, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by WyreTheWolf
did you know that you can softmod your SB Live! into a full on Audigy?

Do you mean something besides making the drivers think you have an Audigy(2)?

Mar 31, 2003, 01:11 AM	#1
Alistair Spoos Join Date: May 2002 Location: State College, PA, USA Posts: 435 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Recent heat issues... My system has been having some serious heat issues recently that had not been occuring before. Until about a month ago, my system ran at a steady 38C, 43C max when running some heavy gaming. However recently I have been reaching 50C and locking up when gaming for a halfhour or longer. Almost everytime it crashes it leaves sound screaming out of my speakers as though the sound card is hanging. It has never crashed in 3DMark2003 except on the sound tests... it doesn't crash when playing the ATI Screensavers for 24 hours, only when sound is combined with the rendering/gaming. The only thing overclocked in my system is my video card and I have managed to get it to crash even wit the card at default speeds, so I highly doubt its related to the card. AthlonXP 1900+ (Palomino) 512MB PC-2100 (2x256) Sound Blaster Live! Value (latest Drivers) Sapphire Radeon 9500 np 128MB (CAT3.2) __________________ - Alistair

Mar 31, 2003, 01:47 AM	#2
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	Has your local ambient temperature (your weather) gotten significantly hotter recently? Your temperatures are pretty dependant on your ambient temps, so if you suddenly hit summer-like weather, your CPU temps will go up along with the ambient ones... __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

Mar 31, 2003, 05:27 AM	Thread Starter #3
Alistair Spoos Join Date: May 2002 Location: State College, PA, USA Posts: 435 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	no, its consistently 65C in my room. __________________ - Alistair

Mar 31, 2003, 06:38 AM	#5
No_Style Styleless Wonder Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ottawa, Ontario Posts: 6,034 Rep Power: 0	Cleaning? A nice cleaning could cures what ales your PC __________________ "The Best Style Is No Style" Specifications Here

Mar 31, 2003, 12:44 PM	Thread Starter #8
Alistair Spoos Join Date: May 2002 Location: State College, PA, USA Posts: 435 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	doublepost __________________ - Alistair

Mar 31, 2003, 06:31 AM	#4
~~Sourcer_2002~~ BANNED Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Indiana , USA Posts: 2,677 Rep Power: 0	well i was at a LAN last night and there was person that was running a 2100 on a soyo dragon board. Just bulit it and he was getting temp spikes all night. Hes board auto shutdowns at 80C and truly i dont think he was getting that high. I think the board was reading it wrong. But anyway Alistair i would try to remove you soumdcard and then run whatever it was and see it locks up.

Mar 31, 2003, 06:48 AM	#6
WyreTheWolf Wolfish Bastard Join Date: May 2002 Location: Cave; Ozark Mountains Posts: 2,110 Rep Power: 0	What HSF are you using? Is the fan on the HSF running at its full potential? - or is it running slower than it should? Have you checked your intake fan? - is it running at full speed? - there is usually a grill between the intake fan and the outside of the case. Have you checked this area for buildup of dust, and fuzz? Have you checked your exhaust fan? - is it running at full speed? What type of thermal interface material are you using? - if it is a thermal pad (grey, or pink goop - looks like gum) has it dried out? - if it is standard thermal grease, have you removed the HSF, and not replaced it with more? The fan that blows (or pulls) air into the heatsink, can also pull dust, dirt, fuzz, cat, or dog hair into the heatsink. - have you checked between the fan, and the heatsink... and cleaned it if neccessary? All of these things are VERY important for your thermal dynamic. Good luck

Mar 31, 2003, 12:44 PM	Thread Starter #9
Alistair Spoos Join Date: May 2002 Location: State College, PA, USA Posts: 435 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	ok I replaced the thermal compound 2 weeks ago, but it was fine then all voltages appear to be correct in SiSoft Sandra As for the sound card its presently in slot 4, I'll try moving it up one and see if that helps. If not I'll be removing it and testing it that way... I'll be trying everything in this thread when I get home from school later today, thanks for the replies so far guys Heatsink: Coolermaster HC-001 and its running at 7.3k rpm __________________ - Alistair

Mar 31, 2003, 12:55 PM	#10
The_Neon_Cowboy HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 16,009 Rep Power: 92 System Specs	personally I think a new HSF mabe in order or at lest a new fan on that CPU cooler ..... (also make sure not to use to much themal compund) OH yea allmost forgot check you power supply fans!!!!! if they go out you systems will get hot!!! one of mine mie died and my temps rose like carzy up in the 50C range so that another tought..... __________________

Mar 31, 2003, 01:05 PM	Thread Starter #11
Alistair Spoos Join Date: May 2002 Location: State College, PA, USA Posts: 435 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	IRQ's (for the ones appearing wrong when looking in my A+ certification book) 16: Video Card 17: Network Card 19: Sound Card 19: USB Controller 23: USB Controller Is the K7S5A supposed to be supporting IRQ's that are so high? yes the PSU fan is working properly __________________ - Alistair

Mar 31, 2003, 03:16 PM	#13
~~Sourcer_2002~~ BANNED Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Indiana , USA Posts: 2,677 Rep Power: 0	Yes those IRQ's are right, that what my ECS is.

Apr 1, 2003, 02:53 AM	Thread Starter #14
Alistair Spoos Join Date: May 2002 Location: State College, PA, USA Posts: 435 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	OK I just formatted my system and now appear to only have 16 IRQ's which is how many some of my other friends running the same board have. I have no idea how it started detecting 24, but between that and my switching the sound card to PCI #3 things seem to be behaving so far. __________________ - Alistair

Apr 1, 2003, 02:59 AM	#15
~~Sourcer_2002~~ BANNED Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Indiana , USA Posts: 2,677 Rep Power: 0	i dont know what the hell i was smoking when i told you had 24 IRQ's man sorry about that!

Apr 1, 2003, 03:07 AM	Thread Starter #16
Alistair Spoos Join Date: May 2002 Location: State College, PA, USA Posts: 435 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	thats alright I know there are boards out there that support 24 __________________ - Alistair

Apr 1, 2003, 03:09 AM	#17
~~Sourcer_2002~~ BANNED Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Indiana , USA Posts: 2,677 Rep Power: 0	ya and whats this about runnind the sound card on the 3rd PCI?

Apr 1, 2003, 06:17 AM	#19
~~Sourcer_2002~~ BANNED Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Indiana , USA Posts: 2,677 Rep Power: 0	ah

Apr 1, 2003, 06:23 AM	#20
The_Neon_Cowboy HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 16,009 Rep Power: 92 System Specs	if your mother board supports assighning IRQ's to you pci slots try 9 , 10 , 3, 11, ....... pci lot 1,2,3,4 in that order solves alot of issues sometimes __________________

Apr 1, 2003, 12:30 PM	Thread Starter #21
Alistair Spoos Join Date: May 2002 Location: State College, PA, USA Posts: 435 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	thank you gonna try that as I ran 3DMark03 last night and it crashed on the sound test... again __________________ - Alistair

Apr 1, 2003, 09:10 PM	#22
The_Neon_Cowboy HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 16,009 Rep Power: 92 System Specs	also inoticed your running sound blaster live if you dont use your com ports (com 1 0r 2 ) turn them off in the bios .... if free up some irq resources that your sondcard does not like to share __________________

Apr 2, 2003, 03:29 AM	Thread Starter #23
Alistair Spoos Join Date: May 2002 Location: State College, PA, USA Posts: 435 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Creative has recommended that I change my Video Card's IRQ. How can I go about this? __________________ - Alistair

Apr 2, 2003, 04:07 AM	Thread Starter #25
Alistair Spoos Join Date: May 2002 Location: State College, PA, USA Posts: 435 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	thanx it wasn't PCI 1, but I followed some instructions I found on Creative's site and assigned an IRQ to each PCI slot and that changed it. My Video card was using IRQ 5 which Creative said is the cause of the problem as their cards use the IRQ for something or another. __________________ - Alistair

Apr 3, 2003, 01:29 AM	Thread Starter #26
Alistair Spoos Join Date: May 2002 Location: State College, PA, USA Posts: 435 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	well... turns out it was the soundcard, I have removed it and am currently using the onboard sound. I don't think I'll be getting another Creative card for a while... __________________ - Alistair

Apr 3, 2003, 03:14 AM	#27
WyreTheWolf Wolfish Bastard Join Date: May 2002 Location: Cave; Ozark Mountains Posts: 2,110 Rep Power: 0	The sound blaster live, and the audigy1 have pretty bad problems, from what I understand the Audigy2 is fixed. BTW,,,, did you know that you can softmod your SB Live! into a full on Audigy?

Apr 3, 2003, 11:33 PM	#28
~~Asuka~~ BANNED Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 579 Rep Power: 0	I have a SoundBlaster Live! 5.1 myself with the newest Audigy2 drivers , working just fine - never had any problems with it. Runs the sound tests in §DMark03 just fine as well (only "60 sounds" is not supported). I'd say it's probably a defect on your sound card.

Apr 3, 2003, 11:36 PM	#29
~~Asuka~~ BANNED Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 579 Rep Power: 0	Originally posted by WyreTheWolf did you know that you can softmod your SB Live! into a full on Audigy? Do you mean something besides making the drivers think you have an Audigy(2)?