captaincheerios

Well Im writing a paper on what tech to use from the upcoming new chips from AMD and Intel and other manufacturers to make the best possible computer. Meaning Prices Do Not Matter (ive had problems with my school forums with people bringing in old prices to compare Performance only) So if you guys want to really help me out, I am looking for a discussion on which technology you believe will be king of the hill. If you post here it is possible I will cite and use your post for my paper.

So if you want to help out, Which tech will be the best. Barcelona sport Single Die Quad Core, Dual Socket Direct Connect support, and many other features you can find on AMD website and other news. (I can post research links i have pulled up if needed just ask im gonna be watching this and posting all day) So if you want to post something please give some reason why. If you want to say intel will be a more stable processor if you could give why that is your opinion (if it is that intel maybe using the same architechture as the Core 2 Due and the C2D is a very stable chip post that, I just made that example up out of the blue so disregard it as it could be inncorrect)

So anyways if you could please help and discuss which Techs you would use to build the ultimate performance pc (prices set asside) and if you could why I would not be able to stop thanking you.

Lowfat

Considerring their is almost nothing really known about K10 chips, can't really comment on that. As for performance with Penyrn, it isn't going to be spectactual either well compared to existing C2Ds anyways. All it really is is a Conroe with a die shrink and more ram. The Quad core ones will be a single die QC, although once again performance wise won't change all that much.

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captaincheerios

I know theres really no known information, its just an opinion, I just kind of put all that about a reason, because i have had previous threads where all i got was intel is beter....why? Ive done research on it, I just want to get peoples opinions. Im doing a report for my final so i have to get opinions from people about which is better in their opinion

dsdsdk

K10 has on die memory-controller, just like the K8 and K8L. This means awesome memorybandwidth. Now if they can back this up with good processor performance, they have a winner.

The Penryn is a Kentsfield with die-shrink. Kentsfields are two Conroe slapped together. Penryn will have "metal-based" gates (instead of polysilicon), the transistors are gonna be high-k. This is said to give a 20% boost in transistor performance. Intel is going to up the transistor count by 40%. The main architechture is still going to be based on the Core 2. So actually penryn is gonna be quite a kicker..

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dsdsdk

Although i'm rooting for AMD, I think intel is going to stay ahead..

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http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/200...ology_overview

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5869

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kris23

isnt the intel Nehalem architecture the weapon against AMD's Barcelona, LGA 1366 is the new socket for these cores.

it will have an on die memory controller like AMD's chips now

an advanced version to hyperthreading that will provide 8 threads to a core,

up to 8 cores to a chip(maybe dual quad core chips rather than singles)

clocks above 3GHz (around 3.73GHz)

and the bigger 1333MHz FSB

they say the performance levels would be 4x the power of the best Core 2 architecture chips out now...

i dont think Intel is gonna let AMD stand back up anymore.........their new roadmap is like.........dude

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hackerx

b/w penryn and barcelona
i say it'll be a tie in most benchies with barcelona better in floating point operations and memory intensive operations

performance will be even cause of the extra logic in penryn,the extra cache and the sku high clocks due to the 45nm process

captaincheerios

No nehalem launches with Fusion. Fusion is going to release around xmas 08 or jan 09. Its going to most likely be a 45nm CPU/GPU, intel just announced a little while ago that they two were going to do the same things on board memory controller and a gpu core in their nehalem structure. If you look at both the future of AMD and Intel they are almost the same.

The only real difference between Barcelona and Penryn that i have found are as follows:

Barcelona:
+4 cores on single Die
+DSDC co-processor so 8core system
+Onboard Memory Controller
+Cores can manipulate frequencies to optimize power
+L3 Cache
+Higher Frequencies

Penryn:
+45nm
+Hi-K Metal Gate
+Larger Cache
+Higher Frequencies
+1600Mhz fsb
+SSE4
+Mobile processors have Dynamic Acceleration
+Deep power down for Mobile Processors

Well if you notice the L3 cache is shared between all cores. That makes it easy for them to transfer information between them for multithreading that right there i believe will make it faster then Intel's quad core, instead of having to pass things from seperate L2 caches to another l2 cache.