NCQ Seagete Barracuda

DBdexter · Oct 7, 2007, 12:49 PM

Hi everyone,

I need help to activate NCQ to my HDD Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 500Gb on XP.
I try it to activate from Bios to SATA, ACHI befour install XP, but with Intel raid/achi drivers it doesn't find my HDD.

Many thanks. Anticipated.

mkk · Oct 7, 2007, 01:15 PM

It cannot be activated from the BIOS, but the driver for the SATA interface may support NCQ and have a setting for it. Or the driver may not support NCQ and then there's not much to do about it. Either way NCQ only has a beneficial effect on fileservers.

DBdexter · Oct 7, 2007, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkk

It cannot be activated from the BIOS, but the driver for the SATA interface may support NCQ and have a setting for it. Or the driver may not support NCQ and then there's not much to do about it. Either way NCQ only has a beneficial effect on fileservers.

NCQ is supported but is not active.

mkk · Oct 7, 2007, 02:01 PM

Check for settings in the driver, either in the Device Manager or in a separate control applet if the interface driver came with one.

Tipstaff · Oct 7, 2007, 02:31 PM

Unlike other manufacturers, Intel's use of NCQ is automatic. This means you don't have to turn it on, but this also means you can't turn it off. However, in either case you have to be using AHCI or RAID in order to have NCQ active.

BTW, how are you loading the AHCI or RAID driver, DBDexter? The reason I ask is that if the installer can't find your hard drive it usually indicates that the wrong driver is loaded, or that it wasn't loaded at all. If it gets loaded it should see the drive.

Oh, since we're on the subject of Seagate drives, be sure to remove the little grey jumper on the hard drive if it's installed. The reason being is that this jumper slows the hard drive transfer speed down to be compatible with controllers that only support up to 1.5Gb/s transfer speeds. By removing this jumper you will open up the drive to use 3Gb/s transfer speeds if the controller supports that speed... which in the case of the 965 chipset, it does.

DBdexter · Oct 7, 2007, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Tipstaff

BTW, how are you loading the ACHI or RAID driver, DBDexter? The reason I ask is that if the installer can't find your hard drive it usually indicates that the wrong driver is loaded, or that it wasn't loaded at all. If it gets loaded it should see the drive.

I used Intel's and Asus's ACHI driver.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tipstaff

Oh, since we're on the subject of Seagate drives, be sure to remove the little grey jumper on the hard drive if it's installed. The reason being is that this jumper slows the hard drive transfer speed down to be compatible with controllers that only support up to 1.5Gb/s transfer speeds. By removing this jumper you will open up the drive to use 3Gb/s transfer speeds if the controller supports that speed... which in the case of the 965 chipset, it does.

Yes I removed that jumper ..

I'll try with Seagate's drivers ...

>GSXR<mrbusa · Oct 7, 2007, 07:26 PM

I believe with current drivers that NCQ is part of the SATA protocol if the drive supports it. I am using the latest Nforce drivers on a Asus p5n32e plus 650i/570i sli board and do not have the option in the controller advanced options either. My drives are 320gig 7200.10 Seagate's.

procupine14 · Oct 8, 2007, 01:44 AM

in regards to that jumper you speak of
is that only a thing with seagate
just curious in case mine are the same way and i didn't know it
I have 3.0 Gb/s Western Digital Caviars and Samsung Spin Points

Tipstaff · Oct 8, 2007, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by DBdexter

I used Intel's and Asus's ACHI driver.

For reference, when you are loading the driver during installation, which ICH8 listing are you choosing?

Oh, you may want to try turning off the JMicron controller in the bios, or at the very least do not have it set to any sort of RAID. There is a known incompatibility issue if you have both the Intel controller and the JMicron controller set to RAID at the same time.

Also, you may want to change from AHCI to RAID. The RAID driver includes support for AHCI, and if you ever decide to use RAID in the near future you would have to reinstall your OS again just to gain access to it. This way your set from the start.

Quote:

Originally Posted by procupine14

in regards to that jumper you speak of
is that only a thing with seagate
just curious in case mine are the same way and i didn't know it
I have 3.0 Gb/s Western Digital Caviars and Samsung Spin Points

Yep. It's just a Seagate thing. However, since Maxtor is part of Seagate you may also see that jumper on their drives too.

procupine14 · Oct 10, 2007, 09:43 PM

ok then that helps a lot

DBdexter · Oct 10, 2007, 11:03 PM

After a BIOS update and with Intel's drivers from ASUS DVD, I was able to install fresh XP with ACHI activated in BIOS, for SATA.

NCQ Supported, but not eanbled, from Everest's info PC.

Tipstaff · Oct 11, 2007, 04:37 AM

Not enabled? Hmm.. have you installed the Intel Matrix Storage Manager? If so, what does it say about NCQ?

DBdexter · Oct 12, 2007, 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tipstaff

Not enabled? Hmm.. have you installed the Intel Matrix Storage Manager? If so, what does it say about NCQ?

With the last Intel Matrix Storage Manager it's sais:

Native Command Queuing Support ....YES

LeanWolf · Oct 18, 2007, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tipstaff

Oh, since we're on the subject of Seagate drives, be sure to remove the little grey jumper on the hard drive if it's installed. The reason being is that this jumper slows the hard drive transfer speed down to be compatible with controllers that only support up to 1.5Gb/s transfer speeds. By removing this jumper you will open up the drive to use 3Gb/s transfer speeds if the controller supports that speed... which in the case of the 965 chipset, it does.

lucky me, i chose to check this thread! having bought bulk, i didn't get a manual and didn't know about this. man those suckers are tiny! Thanks for the tip, Tip!

**dj_stick** · Oct 19, 2007, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tipstaff

Oh, since we're on the subject of Seagate drives, be sure to remove the little grey jumper on the hard drive if it's installed. The reason being is that this jumper slows the hard drive transfer speed down to be compatible with controllers that only support up to 1.5Gb/s transfer speeds. By removing this jumper you will open up the drive to use 3Gb/s transfer speeds if the controller supports that speed... which in the case of the 965 chipset, it does.

funny you mention that, i got a 160 Gb barracuda for the price of a 1.5gbps drive the other day, i think i saved about $10-15 over their other 160s @ 3gbps

Oct 7, 2007, 12:49 PM	#1
DBdexter DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 64 Rep Power: 0	NCQ Seagete Barracuda Hi everyone, I need help to activate NCQ to my HDD Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 500Gb on XP. I try it to activate from Bios to SATA, ACHI befour install XP, but with Intel raid/achi drivers it doesn't find my HDD. Many thanks. Anticipated.

Oct 7, 2007, 02:31 PM	#5
Tipstaff HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Real capital of Canada: Torauna Posts: 6,773 Rep Power: 190 System Specs	Unlike other manufacturers, Intel's use of NCQ is automatic. This means you don't have to turn it on, but this also means you can't turn it off. However, in either case you have to be using AHCI or RAID in order to have NCQ active. BTW, how are you loading the AHCI or RAID driver, DBDexter? The reason I ask is that if the installer can't find your hard drive it usually indicates that the wrong driver is loaded, or that it wasn't loaded at all. If it gets loaded it should see the drive. Oh, since we're on the subject of Seagate drives, be sure to remove the little grey jumper on the hard drive if it's installed. The reason being is that this jumper slows the hard drive transfer speed down to be compatible with controllers that only support up to 1.5Gb/s transfer speeds. By removing this jumper you will open up the drive to use 3Gb/s transfer speeds if the controller supports that speed... which in the case of the 965 chipset, it does. __________________ Portal: The Flash Version _________________________________ Brain: So, you sacked the cocky khaki Kicky Sack sock plucker? Mr. Sackett: The second cocky khaki Kicky Sack sock plucker I've sacked since the sixth sitting sheet slitter got sick. Last edited by Tipstaff; Oct 8, 2007 at 02:38 AM.

Oct 8, 2007, 01:44 AM	#8
procupine14 Why is it Beeping!?!?! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: USA, Missouri Posts: 1,400 Rep Power: 58 System Specs	in regards to that jumper you speak of is that only a thing with seagate just curious in case mine are the same way and i didn't know it I have 3.0 Gb/s Western Digital Caviars and Samsung Spin Points __________________ HTPC/file server: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit - AMD Phenom x4 9850 - 4GB OCZ DDR2 800 (2x2GB) - 1TB WD Black - 4 x 1TB Hitachi DeskStar in RAID 5 - ATi TV Wonder Digital Cable Tuner - HIS Raedon 4850 512MB - ASRock N68C-S UCC mobo - OCZ ModExtreme Pro 500W PSU GF's Gaming PC: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit - AMD Phenom 9850 - 4GB OCZ DDR2 1066 - 500GB Western Digital GP - HIS Raedon 5770 1GB - ASUS M3A78-EM - Zalman 650W PSU Media Streamer: Win 7 Pro 64-bit - AMD Athlon x2 3200+ - 4GB SuperTalent DDR2 800 - 250GB SeaGate Barracuda - MSI K9N6PGM2-V2 - ASUS Raedon 5450 SILENT - FSP group 250W PSU

Oct 10, 2007, 09:43 PM	#10
procupine14 Why is it Beeping!?!?! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: USA, Missouri Posts: 1,400 Rep Power: 58 System Specs	ok then that helps a lot __________________ HTPC/file server: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit - AMD Phenom x4 9850 - 4GB OCZ DDR2 800 (2x2GB) - 1TB WD Black - 4 x 1TB Hitachi DeskStar in RAID 5 - ATi TV Wonder Digital Cable Tuner - HIS Raedon 4850 512MB - ASRock N68C-S UCC mobo - OCZ ModExtreme Pro 500W PSU GF's Gaming PC: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit - AMD Phenom 9850 - 4GB OCZ DDR2 1066 - 500GB Western Digital GP - HIS Raedon 5770 1GB - ASUS M3A78-EM - Zalman 650W PSU Media Streamer: Win 7 Pro 64-bit - AMD Athlon x2 3200+ - 4GB SuperTalent DDR2 800 - 250GB SeaGate Barracuda - MSI K9N6PGM2-V2 - ASUS Raedon 5450 SILENT - FSP group 250W PSU

Oct 10, 2007, 11:03 PM	Thread Starter #11
DBdexter DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 64 Rep Power: 0	After a BIOS update and with Intel's drivers from ASUS DVD, I was able to install fresh XP with ACHI activated in BIOS, for SATA. NCQ Supported, but not eanbled, from Everest's info PC. Last edited by DBdexter; Oct 10, 2007 at 11:11 PM.

Oct 7, 2007, 01:15 PM	#2
mkk Cthulhu/Dagon 2012 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Gefle, Sweden Posts: 4,490 Rep Power: 132 System Specs	It cannot be activated from the BIOS, but the driver for the SATA interface may support NCQ and have a setting for it. Or the driver may not support NCQ and then there's not much to do about it. Either way NCQ only has a beneficial effect on fileservers.

Oct 7, 2007, 02:01 PM	#4
mkk Cthulhu/Dagon 2012 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Gefle, Sweden Posts: 4,490 Rep Power: 132 System Specs	Check for settings in the driver, either in the Device Manager or in a separate control applet if the interface driver came with one.

Oct 7, 2007, 07:26 PM	#7
>GSXR<mrbusa im a FREAK Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 2,107 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	I believe with current drivers that NCQ is part of the SATA protocol if the drive supports it. I am using the latest Nforce drivers on a Asus p5n32e plus 650i/570i sli board and do not have the option in the controller advanced options either. My drives are 320gig 7200.10 Seagate's.

Oct 11, 2007, 04:37 AM	#12
Tipstaff HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Real capital of Canada: Torauna Posts: 6,773 Rep Power: 190 System Specs	Not enabled? Hmm.. have you installed the Intel Matrix Storage Manager? If so, what does it say about NCQ? __________________ Portal: The Flash Version _________________________________ Brain: So, you sacked the cocky khaki Kicky Sack sock plucker? Mr. Sackett: The second cocky khaki Kicky Sack sock plucker I've sacked since the sixth sitting sheet slitter got sick.