This worth to get?....

merlinxi · Oct 9, 2007, 04:29 AM

Is this worth to get?

Or should I wait for the next gen chips to come out?

Newegg.com - AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400+ Windsor 3.2GHz 2 x 1MB L2 Cache Socket AM2 Processor - Retail

**kris23** · Oct 9, 2007, 05:02 AM

no, and you'll need to upgrade your system pointlessly to AM2....

ChaosMinionX · Oct 9, 2007, 06:43 AM

What is your budget? Currently that chip isnt even worth the silicon used on it.

merlinxi · Oct 9, 2007, 02:50 PM

Why is AMD not worth anything anymore?

What chips should I focus on??

**temeteus82** · Oct 9, 2007, 03:58 PM

Intel Core Duo or Quad.
AMD just can't keep up with Intel in terms of performance.

PangingJr · Oct 9, 2007, 04:33 PM

i think you probably mean Intel Core 2 Duo/Quad/Extreme processor.
Intel Core Duo processor is in Intel's laptop platform.

**Mousey** · Oct 9, 2007, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by temeteus82

Intel Core Duo or Quad.
AMD just can't keep up with Intel in terms of performance.

Amen.

procupine14 · Oct 9, 2007, 06:23 PM

AMD needs to hurry the hell up with a new chip before I dump my rig and go Intel......I know funny to hear that from a guy that has been hardcore AMD for 8 years now but hey. THye aren't pulling their weight and I'm getting angry

merlinxi · Oct 9, 2007, 06:37 PM

I don't understand.

AMD has duel core chips don't they. What is teh difference with the Duel Core Duo's?

procupine14 · Oct 9, 2007, 07:19 PM

the key word in the answer to your question is architechture

merlinxi · Oct 9, 2007, 08:03 PM

So why is the Architecture better, and why does it make it a better chip?

ChaosMinionX · Oct 9, 2007, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by merlinxi

So why is the Architecture better, and why does it make it a better chip?

Google some benchmarks, and it will become ever more apparent

It would be hard to describe why its better, without extensive knowledge of the field, and chip design

merlinxi · Oct 9, 2007, 08:14 PM

So is this worth to get then?

Newegg.com - Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor - Retail

merlinxi · Oct 9, 2007, 11:02 PM

I am thinking of getting that, is is worth to get? Or should I wait?

PangingJr · Oct 10, 2007, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by merlinxi

I am thinking of getting that, is is worth to get? Or should I wait?

hmm, i don't know, but i think, if you have to ask that questions, then the answers are probably yes for both.
it is not hard to see why the answer would be yes for both, but if you have to know why, you might as well buy the processor now, since you are thinking of getting it now.

i don't know, but i think some people will want to wait for Intel's or AMD's new processor to come out, some people just don't like to wait for that.

**kris23** · Oct 10, 2007, 02:23 AM

the new processors from intel will be out soon but the Q6600 is a good cheap processor. if you dont wanna spend 500+ on a 45nm quadcore, just get the Q6600, its awesome

procupine14 · Oct 10, 2007, 04:10 AM

the only draw back is buying a new mobo along with that chip

merlinxi · Oct 10, 2007, 11:18 PM

What are they coming out with now? Quin-Toplet Cores? I mean come on what is next?

**kris23** · Oct 11, 2007, 12:06 AM

no thats next year

merlinxi · Oct 11, 2007, 12:11 AM

lol

procupine14 · Oct 11, 2007, 06:27 AM

thats after they make them small enough to put eight of them on one chip lol

ChaosMinionX · Oct 11, 2007, 06:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by procupine14

thats after they make them small enough to put eight of them on one chip lol

Nehalem will steal your soul

And 45nm is small enough for octcores.

procupine14 · Oct 11, 2007, 07:03 PM

well yeah but hey they wouldn't be able to put that many on anything much bigger and still have room on the chip for anything else

H3X4D3C1M4L · Nov 4, 2007, 03:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by procupine14

well yeah but hey they wouldn't be able to put that many on anything much bigger and still have room on the chip for anything else

If past behavior is any indication then yes. But honestly they don't feel threatened by AMD in the least now so unless AMD has a real wobbler planned for us they probably won't bother with the effort until the next new microarchitecture

**kris23** · Nov 4, 2007, 04:27 AM

latest so called "reviews" of Phenom FXs and QX9650s shows the QX9650s raping AMD in the buttholes..... however many there are.....

but nothing's final until they're released so keep ur fingers crossed for the sake of competition!

BlueMak · Nov 4, 2007, 04:55 AM

I wonder if AMD bought ATI cause they knew the CPU front was lost.

NUCLEARWINTER · Nov 5, 2007, 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueMak

I wonder if AMD bought ATI cause they knew the CPU front was lost.

hopefully ATI's next line of cards does something to compete with nvidia. or AMD will be losing on both fronts.

Kazeko · Nov 6, 2007, 06:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by procupine14

AMD needs to hurry the hell up with a new chip before I dump my rig and go Intel......I know funny to hear that from a guy that has been hardcore AMD for 8 years now but hey. THye aren't pulling their weight and I'm getting angry

I'll admit it. I sold out. I wouldn't have gone with an intel processor, but AMD was just too far behind.

Plus, I figured I have to play the role of consumer and buy the better product given the cost. FX chips in the same price range were far shorter on performance than the Q6600.

I'm still a die-hard AMD/ATI fan, but for my most recent, I went with the better product over the personal preference. - Even went with nVidia for the graphics simply due to better (in my book) multiple GPU options and superior gpu's entirely, IMO.

On the upside, my old 2800+ is now @ 2.4ghz (12x400) with an old Thermalright SLK-900A and Vantec Tornado strapped to it and is still running like a champ 6 years later. Even scored an 1800 in 3dmark06!

merlinxi · Nov 8, 2007, 08:09 PM

Okay from my Specs in my signature, this is what I am going to be upgrading soon. I am going to wait until the holiday season to see if the prices go down:

Asus P5B P965 Pentium Extreme/Pentium D/P4/Celeron D 1066FSB LGA775 DDR2 ATX Motherboard w/Audio, Gigabit LAN, RAID/Serial ATA Retail (Motherboard)

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Quad-Core Processor 2.4GHz, 1066FSB, LGA775, 8MB cache Retail

OCZ OCZ2G8002GK 2GB Kit DDR2-800 PC2-6400 Gold Gamer eXtreme XTC Edition Dual Channel Memory Retail

Asus EN8800GTS/HTDP/640M GeForce 8800 GTS 640MB PCI-Express Video Card w/Dual-DVI, HDTV-Out Retail

I need suggestions for a after-market cooler fan, as I amgoing to overclock the q6600 to 3.0 GHZ.

Thoughts?

ChaosMinionX · Nov 8, 2007, 08:49 PM

Dont buy a P965 its an outdated chipset by now....go for a P5K Deluxe or Premium based on P35 chipset, it will overclock your Quad better as well and be more stable as well as boasting superior memory bandwidth.

Oct 9, 2007, 04:29 AM	#1
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Oct 9, 2007, 02:50 PM	Thread Starter #4
merlinxi The Paranoid Cook Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 655 Rep Power: 0	Why is AMD not worth anything anymore? What chips should I focus on?? __________________ 700 Watt Toughpower Cable Management Power supply -- Asus P55 LE Motherboard -- Intel Core i7 860 2.8GHZ Quad Core -- 6Gb Dominator Ram DD3 8 Latency Timings -- Windows 7 64bit -- Gigabyte GTX470 Superclocked Video Card -- 1.5 TB Hard drive, 1TB hard drive, 250GB Hard drive, and a partridge in a pear tree.

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procupine14 Why is it Beeping!?!?! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: USA, Missouri Posts: 1,400 Rep Power: 56 System Specs	AMD needs to hurry the hell up with a new chip before I dump my rig and go Intel......I know funny to hear that from a guy that has been hardcore AMD for 8 years now but hey. THye aren't pulling their weight and I'm getting angry __________________ HTPC/file server: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit - AMD Phenom x4 9850 - 4GB OCZ DDR2 800 (2x2GB) - 1TB WD Black - 4 x 1TB Hitachi DeskStar in RAID 5 - ATi TV Wonder Digital Cable Tuner - HIS Raedon 4850 512MB - ASRock N68C-S UCC mobo - OCZ ModExtreme Pro 500W PSU GF's Gaming PC: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit - AMD Phenom 9850 - 4GB OCZ DDR2 1066 - 500GB Western Digital GP - HIS Raedon 5770 1GB - ASUS M3A78-EM - Zalman 650W PSU Media Streamer: Win 7 Pro 64-bit - AMD Athlon x2 3200+ - 4GB SuperTalent DDR2 800 - 250GB SeaGate Barracuda - MSI K9N6PGM2-V2 - ASUS Raedon 5450 SILENT - FSP group 250W PSU

Oct 9, 2007, 04:33 PM	#6
PangingJr Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,989 Rep Power: 69	i think you probably mean Intel Core 2 Duo/Quad/Extreme processor. Intel Core Duo processor is in Intel's laptop platform.

Oct 9, 2007, 06:37 PM	Thread Starter #9
merlinxi The Paranoid Cook Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 655 Rep Power: 0	I don't understand. AMD has duel core chips don't they. What is teh difference with the Duel Core Duo's? __________________ 700 Watt Toughpower Cable Management Power supply -- Asus P55 LE Motherboard -- Intel Core i7 860 2.8GHZ Quad Core -- 6Gb Dominator Ram DD3 8 Latency Timings -- Windows 7 64bit -- Gigabyte GTX470 Superclocked Video Card -- 1.5 TB Hard drive, 1TB hard drive, 250GB Hard drive, and a partridge in a pear tree.

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procupine14 Why is it Beeping!?!?! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: USA, Missouri Posts: 1,400 Rep Power: 56 System Specs	the key word in the answer to your question is architechture __________________ HTPC/file server: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit - AMD Phenom x4 9850 - 4GB OCZ DDR2 800 (2x2GB) - 1TB WD Black - 4 x 1TB Hitachi DeskStar in RAID 5 - ATi TV Wonder Digital Cable Tuner - HIS Raedon 4850 512MB - ASRock N68C-S UCC mobo - OCZ ModExtreme Pro 500W PSU GF's Gaming PC: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit - AMD Phenom 9850 - 4GB OCZ DDR2 1066 - 500GB Western Digital GP - HIS Raedon 5770 1GB - ASUS M3A78-EM - Zalman 650W PSU Media Streamer: Win 7 Pro 64-bit - AMD Athlon x2 3200+ - 4GB SuperTalent DDR2 800 - 250GB SeaGate Barracuda - MSI K9N6PGM2-V2 - ASUS Raedon 5450 SILENT - FSP group 250W PSU

Oct 9, 2007, 08:03 PM	Thread Starter #11
merlinxi The Paranoid Cook Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 655 Rep Power: 0	So why is the Architecture better, and why does it make it a better chip? __________________ 700 Watt Toughpower Cable Management Power supply -- Asus P55 LE Motherboard -- Intel Core i7 860 2.8GHZ Quad Core -- 6Gb Dominator Ram DD3 8 Latency Timings -- Windows 7 64bit -- Gigabyte GTX470 Superclocked Video Card -- 1.5 TB Hard drive, 1TB hard drive, 250GB Hard drive, and a partridge in a pear tree.

Oct 9, 2007, 08:14 PM	Thread Starter #13
merlinxi The Paranoid Cook Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 655 Rep Power: 0	So is this worth to get then? Newegg.com - Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor - Retail __________________ 700 Watt Toughpower Cable Management Power supply -- Asus P55 LE Motherboard -- Intel Core i7 860 2.8GHZ Quad Core -- 6Gb Dominator Ram DD3 8 Latency Timings -- Windows 7 64bit -- Gigabyte GTX470 Superclocked Video Card -- 1.5 TB Hard drive, 1TB hard drive, 250GB Hard drive, and a partridge in a pear tree.

Oct 9, 2007, 11:02 PM	Thread Starter #14
merlinxi The Paranoid Cook Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 655 Rep Power: 0	I am thinking of getting that, is is worth to get? Or should I wait? __________________ 700 Watt Toughpower Cable Management Power supply -- Asus P55 LE Motherboard -- Intel Core i7 860 2.8GHZ Quad Core -- 6Gb Dominator Ram DD3 8 Latency Timings -- Windows 7 64bit -- Gigabyte GTX470 Superclocked Video Card -- 1.5 TB Hard drive, 1TB hard drive, 250GB Hard drive, and a partridge in a pear tree.

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kris23 Going Insane..... Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,990 Rep Power: 121 System Specs	the new processors from intel will be out soon but the Q6600 is a good cheap processor. if you dont wanna spend 500+ on a 45nm quadcore, just get the Q6600, its awesome __________________ Hardwareheaven Super-Moderator Building a new computer system and not sure where to start? Click Here! last updated (5/18/11) Rosewill FUTURE case replaces CM 690 II with its greater interior length. Building a PC: Step by Step Guide Written by Kristopher Pedemonte and Nathan Marks-Forder Edited by Allan Campbell Questions or Comments? feel free to post them in the forums!

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procupine14 Why is it Beeping!?!?! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: USA, Missouri Posts: 1,400 Rep Power: 56 System Specs	the only draw back is buying a new mobo along with that chip __________________ HTPC/file server: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit - AMD Phenom x4 9850 - 4GB OCZ DDR2 800 (2x2GB) - 1TB WD Black - 4 x 1TB Hitachi DeskStar in RAID 5 - ATi TV Wonder Digital Cable Tuner - HIS Raedon 4850 512MB - ASRock N68C-S UCC mobo - OCZ ModExtreme Pro 500W PSU GF's Gaming PC: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit - AMD Phenom 9850 - 4GB OCZ DDR2 1066 - 500GB Western Digital GP - HIS Raedon 5770 1GB - ASUS M3A78-EM - Zalman 650W PSU Media Streamer: Win 7 Pro 64-bit - AMD Athlon x2 3200+ - 4GB SuperTalent DDR2 800 - 250GB SeaGate Barracuda - MSI K9N6PGM2-V2 - ASUS Raedon 5450 SILENT - FSP group 250W PSU

Oct 10, 2007, 11:18 PM	Thread Starter #18
merlinxi The Paranoid Cook Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 655 Rep Power: 0	What are they coming out with now? Quin-Toplet Cores? I mean come on what is next? __________________ 700 Watt Toughpower Cable Management Power supply -- Asus P55 LE Motherboard -- Intel Core i7 860 2.8GHZ Quad Core -- 6Gb Dominator Ram DD3 8 Latency Timings -- Windows 7 64bit -- Gigabyte GTX470 Superclocked Video Card -- 1.5 TB Hard drive, 1TB hard drive, 250GB Hard drive, and a partridge in a pear tree.

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Oct 11, 2007, 06:27 AM	#21
procupine14 Why is it Beeping!?!?! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: USA, Missouri Posts: 1,400 Rep Power: 56 System Specs	thats after they make them small enough to put eight of them on one chip lol __________________ HTPC/file server: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit - AMD Phenom x4 9850 - 4GB OCZ DDR2 800 (2x2GB) - 1TB WD Black - 4 x 1TB Hitachi DeskStar in RAID 5 - ATi TV Wonder Digital Cable Tuner - HIS Raedon 4850 512MB - ASRock N68C-S UCC mobo - OCZ ModExtreme Pro 500W PSU GF's Gaming PC: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit - AMD Phenom 9850 - 4GB OCZ DDR2 1066 - 500GB Western Digital GP - HIS Raedon 5770 1GB - ASUS M3A78-EM - Zalman 650W PSU Media Streamer: Win 7 Pro 64-bit - AMD Athlon x2 3200+ - 4GB SuperTalent DDR2 800 - 250GB SeaGate Barracuda - MSI K9N6PGM2-V2 - ASUS Raedon 5450 SILENT - FSP group 250W PSU

Oct 11, 2007, 07:03 PM	#23
procupine14 Why is it Beeping!?!?! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: USA, Missouri Posts: 1,400 Rep Power: 56 System Specs	well yeah but hey they wouldn't be able to put that many on anything much bigger and still have room on the chip for anything else __________________ HTPC/file server: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit - AMD Phenom x4 9850 - 4GB OCZ DDR2 800 (2x2GB) - 1TB WD Black - 4 x 1TB Hitachi DeskStar in RAID 5 - ATi TV Wonder Digital Cable Tuner - HIS Raedon 4850 512MB - ASRock N68C-S UCC mobo - OCZ ModExtreme Pro 500W PSU GF's Gaming PC: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit - AMD Phenom 9850 - 4GB OCZ DDR2 1066 - 500GB Western Digital GP - HIS Raedon 5770 1GB - ASUS M3A78-EM - Zalman 650W PSU Media Streamer: Win 7 Pro 64-bit - AMD Athlon x2 3200+ - 4GB SuperTalent DDR2 800 - 250GB SeaGate Barracuda - MSI K9N6PGM2-V2 - ASUS Raedon 5450 SILENT - FSP group 250W PSU

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Nov 8, 2007, 08:09 PM	Thread Starter #29
merlinxi The Paranoid Cook Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 655 Rep Power: 0	Okay from my Specs in my signature, this is what I am going to be upgrading soon. I am going to wait until the holiday season to see if the prices go down: Asus P5B P965 Pentium Extreme/Pentium D/P4/Celeron D 1066FSB LGA775 DDR2 ATX Motherboard w/Audio, Gigabit LAN, RAID/Serial ATA Retail (Motherboard) Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Quad-Core Processor 2.4GHz, 1066FSB, LGA775, 8MB cache Retail OCZ OCZ2G8002GK 2GB Kit DDR2-800 PC2-6400 Gold Gamer eXtreme XTC Edition Dual Channel Memory Retail Asus EN8800GTS/HTDP/640M GeForce 8800 GTS 640MB PCI-Express Video Card w/Dual-DVI, HDTV-Out Retail I need suggestions for a after-market cooler fan, as I amgoing to overclock the q6600 to 3.0 GHZ. Thoughts? __________________ 700 Watt Toughpower Cable Management Power supply -- Asus P55 LE Motherboard -- Intel Core i7 860 2.8GHZ Quad Core -- 6Gb Dominator Ram DD3 8 Latency Timings -- Windows 7 64bit -- Gigabyte GTX470 Superclocked Video Card -- 1.5 TB Hard drive, 1TB hard drive, 250GB Hard drive, and a partridge in a pear tree.

Nov 8, 2007, 08:49 PM	#30
ChaosMinionX USB 3 dot oh Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,910 Rep Power: 45 System Specs	Dont buy a P965 its an outdated chipset by now....go for a P5K Deluxe or Premium based on P35 chipset, it will overclock your Quad better as well and be more stable as well as boasting superior memory bandwidth. __________________ ::Heatware:: How you can help DriverHeaven by using Digg!